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[02:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NU6XB-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NU6XB-11
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[05:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MIKEL-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MIKEL-1
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[08:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NOB9 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOB9
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[08:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB0URW-15 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB0URW-15
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[09:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NOB8 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOB8
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[10:48] <goshawk22> Hi, I was wondering what sort of setup is needed to get a balloon to float
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[11:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[14:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2FOU-11 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2FOU-11
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[15:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BZ-LORA-5 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BZ-LORA-5
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[17:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03JW5JUA-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JW5JUA-11
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[17:56] <PE2BZ> goshawk22, about your float question ? which altitude / payload weight ?
[17:58] <goshawk22> Probably payload around 100g tops and anywhere between 20-40km would be fine
[18:03] <PE2BZ> Right. The altitude and payload weight makes it necessary to use a Latex balloon, which can be ¨filled to likely float¨ but usually loose altitude over nigth because of the tiny holes in the latex, having the HE escape. Any chance to safely fill with H2 ?
[18:05] <PE2BZ> Usually filling latex to an ascent rate below 1 m/s gives the best results to float instead of burst.
[18:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KB4ZOD-11 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB4ZOD-11
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[18:23] <goshawk22> Ok I doubt I'd be able to get hydrogen and be allowed to use it so that's not an option
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[18:24] <goshawk22> So use a latex balloon with an ascent rate of <1m/s
[18:24] <goshawk22> Also what happens if a balloon crosses into, say, French airspace?
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[18:32] <PE2BZ> I tend to believe that´s not a problem as long as you are transmittin in an ISM frequency range
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[18:41] <MikeTango1> (19:24:35) goshawk22: Also what happens if a balloon crosses into, say, French airspace? <-- the french surrender?
[18:41] Nick change: MikeTango1 -> MikeTango
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[18:47] <goshawk22> Hmm we'd be using LoRa on 868Mhz so not ISM. So we would have to let the CAA know, and then it's fine for it to fly over other countries?
[18:47] <goshawk22> MikeTango :')
[18:52] <PE2BZ> goshawk22, your from the UK ?
[18:52] <goshawk22> Yes
[18:52] <PE2BZ> So you need a notam / permit for anything > 2 m
[18:53] <PE2BZ> But 868 MHz also is / has ISM frequencies, which also apply to France. LoRaWan ? or Helium tracker ?
[18:57] <goshawk22> Yeah we wanted to use Helium because it seems to have quite a large presence in Europe
[18:58] <goshawk22> So we would apply for a permit and, assuming we get it, we would be safe to fly into other airspace?
[18:58] <PE2BZ> I would not worry about the transmission frequency. Only follow the UK rules for a launch.
[18:58] <PE2BZ> I never heard any problems with ¨other airspaces¨ there appears to be space in air...
[18:59] <goshawk22> Ok cool that's easier than I thought - thanks for your help!
[18:59] <PE2BZ> Yw !
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[19:11] <ly2en> we are close to Belarus, never worried about inciting WW3 or anything
[19:11] <ly2en> the regulation is the same - if the balloon falls into meteorological category, it is not coordinated outside the launch country
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[20:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 034FSKTEST after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4FSKTEST
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[21:52] <MikeTango> hahah just got this from dh0ta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkDX14WiupE
[21:53] <ly2en> yum
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[23:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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