highaltitude.log.20211113

[00:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NOB8 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOB8
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[00:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP3TE_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP3TE_chase
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[03:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W6SUN after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W6SUN
[06:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS41 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS41
[06:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LY1BWB-13 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LY1BWB-13
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[08:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 034FSKTEST after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4FSKTEST
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[08:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SQ3GJS after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ3GJS
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[10:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SA6CCS-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SA6CCS-1
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[10:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 039A3ZI-4FSK after 0314 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=9A3ZI-4FSK
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[10:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03B-69 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=B-69
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[10:59] <PE2BZ> !dial 9a3zi-4fsk
[10:59] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: There are no flights currently :(
[11:12] <ly2en> yeah i also feel like kind of a couch expert
[11:14] <VK5QI> also horus_gui doesnt report freuqency > _ >
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[11:14] <ly2en> 13:14 < ly2en> !dxcc sa6
[11:14] <ly2en> 13:14 <+qsl> SA6: Sweden (SM): EU CQ:14 ITU:18 MW:322
[11:14] <ly2en> would be a nice feature!
[11:15] <VK5QI> yeah, but it means cross-platform radio interfacing :/
[11:15] <VK5QI> i guess adding a field people can type some info into would be a start
[11:15] <ly2en> it will give an incentive that frequency is involved, at least
[11:15] <ly2en> VK4EMM just reported my HAB in china, xinjiang
[11:16] <ly2en> woohoo \o/
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[11:19] <PE2BZ> Nice !!
[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03icspace26-test after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=icspace26-test
[11:35] <ly2en> i was not able to make any of the standard RTTY decoders to work with the RS41ng, except for fldigi where you can customize anything RTTY. sadly the IC-7000 radio decoder only supports HF RTTY decoding and the spacing is very narrow
[11:35] <VK5QI> ly2en: hmm interesting, tried horus-gui ?
[11:36] <VK5QI> i havent tried RS41ng's RTTY transmission yet. really CBF with RTTY anymoe
[11:36] <ly2en> I'm sure that would work, wouldn't it?
[11:36] <VK5QI> i'd hope horus-gui would work, but again, havent tested it with RS41ng
[11:36] <ly2en> I'm more interested in getting that to work with any generic purpose rtty equipment
[11:36] <VK5QI> why?
[11:37] <VK5QI> kind of important to have the telemetry upload to habitat
[11:38] <ly2en> I just finished a generic purpose static UHF beacon - so that more hams would have to spend less time in (re)searching how to install particular piece of software to decode it
[11:38] <ly2en> it's based on the vaisala sonde
[11:38] <VK5QI> i mean, i did a CW beacon firwmare for the RS41 a while back
[11:38] <VK5QI> i think someone is running it in the netherlands
[11:38] <ly2en> https://twitter.com/kareiva/status/1457061721005305863
[11:39] <ly2en> i don't think this needs to go to habhub :)
[11:39] <ly2en> it's just a generic purpose beacon, just simply because all of the UHF beacons in our geography have died recently, there are even no repeaters other than DMR
[11:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[11:40] <VK5QI> sure, then my CW beacon would probabyl work
[11:40] <VK5QI> i mean, its essentially this code: https://github.com/darksidelemm/RS41FOX
[11:40] <ly2en> yeah, i'm considering the https://github.com/df8oe/RS41HUP
[11:40] <ly2en> and for the other sonde, yours
[11:42] <ly2en> LY5FOX is a member of our club, he would definitely love that
[11:44] <ly2en> gtg to fix a HF yagi rotator
[11:46] <bertrik> people are working on tracking HABs using the Helium LoRaWAN network, looking forward to see the first Helium-tracked balloon on habhub :)
[11:50] <VK5QI> ugh
[11:50] <VK5QI> this is the crypto thing, right?
[11:50] <VK5QI> put up a heap of stations with shit antennas and make money or something?
[11:51] <VK5QI> how many of the X-hundred-thousand stations actually have antennas worth a damn?
[11:53] <bertrik> VK5QI: yes this is the make-money-fast-crypto-thing with overpriced gateways and shitty antennas
[11:54] <VK5QI> soooooo many stick with TTN then? :/
[11:55] <bertrik> it's surprising to see how quickly the helium network has expanded in such a short time
[11:56] <bertrik> the "make-money-with-crypto" incentive is apparently very strong
[11:57] <VK5QI> sure.. doesnt result in a well-performing receiver network though
[11:57] <bertrik> myself, I'm looking forward to see cheap LoRaWAN gateways flood the second-hand market
[11:57] <VK5QI> heh
[12:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M0XER-9 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0XER-9
[12:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DH3SUP-4FSK after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DH3SUP-4FSK
[12:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2FOU-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2FOU-11
[12:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LY2BAW-4FSK after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LY2BAW-4FSK
[12:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KG5TED-11 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG5TED-11
[13:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD0HIP-7 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0HIP-7
[13:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> why not use both Helium and TTN, just another set of keys used, just have it setup to tx in each system every other tx
[13:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB-P41 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-P41
[13:54] <MikeTango> ohai
[13:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB-12 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-12
[13:54] <MikeTango> i am currently working on a different kind of data entry for the cusfwrapper sonde_predict.py
[13:55] <MikeTango> i was randomly inspired by a timer switch that i bought for my lights
[13:55] <MikeTango> in that timer, you can choose whatever program you want to run on any given weekday
[13:56] <MikeTango> so i was wondering if you could bend the rigid "x hours, step y" stuff into something that would be based more in the reality of (at least german) sonde launches
[13:56] <MikeTango> for example, uccle(belgium) launches MO-WED-FRI at 1130Z
[13:57] <MikeTango> Meppen(Germany) MO-FRI on 05/07/09/11Z
[13:58] <MikeTango> so, i would love to stuff an array with the relevant date/times and not run any other predictions
[13:59] <MikeTango> one thing i noticed is that LAUNCH_TIME is set to a time value in the first lines...and then is used to store an entire date later
[14:04] <MikeTango> and the question of how the predictor handles these dates
[14:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K1AMO - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K1AMO
[15:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IDA-4FSK after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IDA-4FSK
[15:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM4DE-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM4DE-11
[15:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 034FSKTEST after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4FSKTEST
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[15:53] <DL7AD> W5MAB had been launched from Houston 10 minutes ago on 20m (WSPR).
[15:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG4SGP-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG4SGP-11
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[16:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K1amo_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K1amo_chase
[16:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W5MAB-79 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5MAB-79
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[16:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W6SUN after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W6SUN
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[18:32] <MikeTango> ok, think i made it.
[18:33] <MikeTango> currently testing a script that lets you enter weekday numbers and launch times for those weekdays into the predictor
[18:34] <MikeTango> if anyone wants to toy with it and find the glaringly obvious bugs that i overlooked, i'll push it to git
[18:43] <ly2en> can you add Kaunas(Lithuania) schedule ?
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[18:48] <MikeTango> you can add any location
[18:49] <MikeTango> it merely diverges from the rigid "today at x hours plus y hours step" scheduling, which for me didn't work because it was generating too much clutter
[18:49] <ly2en> well i haven't seen the code so ... can't tell
[18:50] <MikeTango> i'll upload it as soon as i can try it the hard way on my pi ^^
[18:50] <MikeTango> it's currently downloading the newest model files 168 hrs out
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[19:01] <MikeTango> aaaaand i ran into the fact that darkside puts god damn minuses in front of his coordinates
[19:02] <MikeTango> if you ever get "do not have data for this location" make sure that it's not accidentally still set to P1ßPy‡snP
[19:12] <MikeTango> https://github.com/MikeTango/cusf_predictor_wrapper/blob/master/apps/meppen_predict.py
[19:12] <MikeTango> this be it
[19:40] <MikeTango> i made a loop indentation error in there
[19:54] <MikeTango> now it seems to work, locally
[19:54] <MikeTango> let me know your results
[19:55] <MikeTango> aaah
[19:56] <MikeTango> \o/
[20:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NOB8 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOB8
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[21:41] <VK5QI> MikeTango: ping
[21:41] <VK5QI> < MikeTango> aaaaand i ran into the fact that darkside puts god damn
[21:41] <VK5QI> minuses in front of his coordinates
[21:41] <VK5QI> lol
[21:42] <VK5QI> ly2en: do you have schedule information for a site near you? we can get that onto sondehub easily
[21:48] <ly2en> I am going to visit the weather people next week
[21:48] <ly2en> they would like to try launching a used sonde again
[21:48] <ly2en> so I will ask around
[21:49] <ly2en> SM0ULC-David: https://github.com/sm3ulc/hab-wspr/pull/7 <- what do you think ?
[21:53] <MikeTango> VK5QI: pong
[21:54] <VK5QI> MikeTango: saw your PR, a few comments
[21:55] <VK5QI> not sure this needs to be a separate file - would be best if the main sonde_predict.py was updated
[21:55] <VK5QI> can the weekdays be entered as verbose days, not numbers?
[21:56] <VK5QI> ly2en: according to the info i have Kaunas launches every day at 00Z
[21:57] <VK5QI> if you go to the site on tracker.sondehub.org and click on it, you can generate predictions
[21:57] <MikeTango> i have no idea how that works
[21:57] <MikeTango> passing multiple times as args into the command line is also sketchy af
[21:58] <ly2en> VK5QI: i think that is correct. first balloons appear around 03:xx@EEST
[21:58] <ly2en> so thats 00Z
[21:58] <MikeTango> so, unless someone with a lot more knowledge about the snakespeak does that, i consider it a great half-assed solution for my particular problem
[21:59] <VK5QI> then can you put some comments about what each day number is
[21:59] <MikeTango> yea
[21:59] <MikeTango> i'll also remove the weird stuff i commented in
[21:59] <MikeTango> there is also a relic in one of the predictor py scripts that lets you toy with
[21:59] <MikeTango> burst altitude
[22:01] <VK5QI> MikeTango: https://gist.github.com/darksidelemm/60db26b240ff9cf25ce8e35af2d03489
[22:01] <VK5QI> take a look at htis
[22:01] <VK5QI> this*
[22:01] <VK5QI> that produces this: https://rfhead.net/horus/
[22:01] <MikeTango> so for my next trick i'm gonna try and write something that makes a square of probability by putting in a high and a low estimated sink rate / a high and a low estimated burst height
[22:03] <VK5QI> tbh i would do this entirely in JS and just call the tawhiri predictor
[22:03] <VK5QI> its faster than running the offline predictor
[22:04] <VK5QI> i was going to move those small webpages for the site predictions to just calling tawhiri on demand, but then the prediction stuff got added into the sondehub tracker so i never bothered
[22:04] <VK5QI> anyway in the link i sent you can see how im using calendar so you can do stuff like calendar.MONDAY
[22:04] <MikeTango> yea, that is not available in python, i think
[22:05] <MikeTango> your link displays the next sonde only from each site?
[22:06] <VK5QI> no, the link uses the profiles in the gist.github link i also linked
[22:06] <VK5QI> link all the things
[22:06] <VK5QI> https://gist.github.com/darksidelemm/60db26b240ff9cf25ce8e35af2d03489#file-gistfile1-txt-L60
[22:07] <MikeTango> ah
[22:07] <MikeTango> oh, speaking of
[22:08] <MikeTango> we did a little hack to the css so the paths are in different colours depending on how far in the future the launch is
[22:08] <MikeTango> that makes it much more readeable
[22:08] <VK5QI> sure
[22:08] <VK5QI> but yeah, i ve moved away from using this script and am mainly using the predictions on sondehub
[22:09] <VK5QI> as for accessing tawhiri from within python, i've got a bunch of code to do that, will find it..
[22:10] <VK5QI> https://github.com/projecthorus/chasemapper/blob/master/chasemapper/tawhiri.py#L132
[22:11] <MikeTango> yea, but as soon as the connection craps out, it's better to rely on the standalone with a pre-downloaded model
[22:12] <VK5QI> i mean... aybe?
[22:12] <VK5QI> the script you PR'd is intended to make data for a webpage
[22:12] <MikeTango> yes
[22:13] <VK5QI> so, you go to it with a browser... and so it needs to load maps, so it needs an internet connection
[22:13] <VK5QI> at which point you may as well just call tawhiri
[22:13] <VK5QI> and if you want to do a heap of predictions in a row, tawhiri is definitely faster
[22:14] <MikeTango> doesn't matter for a pre-defined forecast running every 6 hours
[22:14] <VK5QI> https://github.com/darksidelemm/cusf_predictor_wrapper/pull/8/files#diff-f90418c6ac9d60cff96f8d406fbbc938b92a8103092894e06e210d48d187556cR95 lunch time?
[22:15] <MikeTango> and the only really reliable forecast happens after the balloon pops anyway
[22:15] <VK5QI> i would suggest looking at https://gist.github.com/darksidelemm/60db26b240ff9cf25ce8e35af2d03489#file-gistfile1-txt-L60
[22:15] <VK5QI> i find the definitions of the different sites, launch times, and days of the week a lot clearer there
[22:15] <VK5QI> e.g.
[22:15] <VK5QI> # 'days': [calendar.SATURDAY, calendar.SUNDAY],
[22:15] <VK5QI> # 'launch_times': ['00:30', '03:30'],
[22:17] <VK5QI> also at this point you're better off just ditching most of the command line arguments, since they are not used and just add to confusion
[22:18] <MikeTango> speaking of
[22:21] <MikeTango> https://seafile.milliways.info/f/0a48454018a740019a7e/
[22:21] <MikeTango> this is the colour grade
[22:22] <MikeTango> and a different icon for the touchdown point
[22:25] <VK5QI> i kind of prefer the way sondehub does it, with numbered icons
[22:25] <VK5QI> makes it very clear whats going on. the color change does work too
[22:26] <VK5QI> but you need to be careful to find a color map that doesnt result in crap contrast with whatever map you are using
[22:26] <MikeTango> mixing colours is hard
[22:26] <MikeTango> so we basically took a pre-existing set of colours and if there's too many predictions, it repeats
[22:27] <MikeTango> it's just for a rough overview
[22:27] <MikeTango> the clutter from a sonde every two hours was much much worse
[22:28] <VK5QI> wtf is up with meppen
[22:28] <VK5QI> why so many sondes?
[22:28] <MikeTango> because they do that.
[22:29] <MikeTango> Idar-Oberstein is even better on a good day
[22:29] <MikeTango> the army does artillery training there
[22:29] <MikeTango> they can literally max out their assigned frequencies in 2 hours
[22:31] <VK5QI> this is the big stream of DFMs?
[22:31] <MikeTango> yes
[22:31] <MikeTango> 99 red balloons
[22:31] <VK5QI> ahh
[22:31] <VK5QI> DFM telemetry is a PITA
[22:32] <MikeTango> and meppen on a nice day clusters the landings in a 5 by 5 km square
[22:32] <VK5QI> especially with multiple sondes on one frequency. it breaks thins badly
[22:32] <MikeTango> been there, done that
[22:33] <VK5QI> each telemetry packet is not completely self-contained. you can get 'mixing' of tleemetry from multiple sondes result in glitching on the map
[22:33] <MikeTango> i think dh0ta and i broke our personal record on one weekend with 14 hot and 5 cold sondes in a 30 by 30 km square
[22:33] <VK5QI> i wish Graw would fix it
[22:33] <MikeTango> the worst is IMET
[22:33] <MikeTango> goes bzzt because they put shitty batteries in and call it a day
[22:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DG4NOB-10 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DG4NOB-10
[22:34] <MikeTango> you need a weird combination of temperature and balloon burst height for one to make it to the ground while still transmitting
[22:34] <VK5QI> haha
[22:34] <VK5QI> yeah the imets have basically no thermal protection either
[22:34] <MikeTango> i found one by sheer luck, someone had tracked it and posted the end coordinates
[22:34] <VK5QI> the imet-54 is the same
[22:35] <VK5QI> at least the imet-54 sends a serial number!
[22:35] <MikeTango> i recently had another "2 sondes on 1 frequency" luxury problem while trying to break my personal rx distance record
[22:35] <MikeTango> from my point of view literally everything was south
[22:36] <MikeTango> so i could not get the farther of two sondes broadcasting on the same frequency
[22:38] <VK5QI> for almost everything else this is not an isue
[22:38] <VK5QI> just DFM..
[22:39] <MikeTango> well, it's the germans
[22:39] <MikeTango> the first one i got i was like "the fuck does that giant switch do"
[22:40] <MikeTango> turns out, they solder a sony walkman-era power switch on the thing
[22:40] <VK5QI> bahha
[22:40] <VK5QI> well, on the DFM09 anyway
[22:40] <VK5QI> DFM17 is a bit improved :P still the same crap telemetry though
[22:40] <MikeTango> poor balloon has to lift harder because noone wants that newfangled microswitch mumbo jumbo
[22:41] <MikeTango> you can also tell the german army and german meteo RS41 apart easily
[22:44] <MikeTango> https://seafile.milliways.info/f/e00c639c2e7a48ffb652/
[22:44] <MikeTango> guess.
[22:46] <MikeTango> and this is the note to the finder
[22:46] <MikeTango> https://seafile.milliways.info/f/b600803636d743809a1f/
[22:46] <MikeTango> GUTEN TAG ZIS IS A RADIOSONDE DO NOT BE ALARMED WE HAFF EVERYZING UNDER KONTROL
[22:47] <MikeTango> YOU WILL NOT BE COMPENSATED IF YOU FUCK YOURSELF/OTHERS UP DURING A RECOVERY ATTEMPT
[22:51] <MikeTango> and literally one quarter of the thing is "for internal use only" with serial number, launch time, date of reception by the central army service center in Munich...
[22:52] <MikeTango> ...and the dreaded german "sachlich und rechnerisch richtig" which translates to "factually and mathematically correct" and describes a paperwork effort of truly german proportions
[22:53] <MikeTango> because only a rather high-level bureaucrat can declare something sachlich and rechnerisch richtig and pay out your reimbursement for the radiosonde package
[22:54] <MikeTango> so if you want to absolutely, totally toy with the army bureaucracy, you should send every single sonde you find, thus tangling up some valuable resources of the military-industrial complex
[23:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP3IZN-11 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP3IZN-11
[23:13] <VK5QI> you had me at "EVERYZING UNDER KONTROL"
[23:16] <VK5QI> dfgg: about?
[23:19] <eor> MikeTango, that's the cutest thing I've read all week
[23:20] <eor> I wonder how come the Americans don't equip their sondes with ten pages of legal disclaimers
[23:21] <VK5QI> i laughed
[23:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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