highaltitude.log.20211110

[00:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 034FSKTEST after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4FSKTEST
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[05:50] <ly2en> ok ly1bwb-13 woke up over turkey
[05:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NOB8 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOB8
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[07:01] <SA6BSS-Mike1> Nice to see it made it! According to my very rudementery calc it started to tx arround 23° solar
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[07:09] <SA6BSS-Mike1> it did actully make a brief start at 12° looking closely
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[08:06] <ly2en> yeah, i have the hab-wspr script running for the 02 timeslot and slot 10
[08:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> its upload ing but you have not made a doc for it
[08:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> No configuration doc for 'LY1BWB-13' found
[08:17] <ly2en> how do I do that ?
[08:17] <ly2en> I think there was a guide somewhere
[08:21] <ly2en> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[08:22] <ly2en> whoops, wrong one
[08:22] <ly2en> http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/index.php?id=getting-on-the-map
[08:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> you dont have to approeva ny payload for it to show
[08:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> I can set it iyp, one sec
[08:45] <VK5QI> SA6BSS-Mike: wait
[08:45] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok
[08:45] <VK5QI> he needs to use a callsign uploading into habhub thats not the same as the APRS one
[08:45] <VK5QI> since he is uploading to APRS already
[08:48] <ly2en> I'm using the https://github.com/sm3ulc/hab-wspr
[08:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> should I get it on the map?
[08:49] <ly2en> balloons = [ ["LY1BWB-13","LY1BWB",14,10,2,"20211109T0657",1,"13","LY1BWB 20m WSPR"] ]
[08:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> so you need to make a pyload doc for that
[08:50] <ly2en> SA6BSS-Mike: shall I copy from SA6BSS/AM ?
[08:50] <ly2en> or do my own from scratch ?
[08:50] <SA6BSS-Mike> no coppy BSS40
[08:50] <ly2en> allright
[08:51] <ly2en> 90c7cae8bac44b7e5cb3749d17065c92
[08:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> now you sit back and wait for the scrip to uppload next 10 seq
[08:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> 10min *
[08:51] <ly2en> no approvals needed?
[08:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> no
[08:52] <ly2en> cool, that was easy
[08:52] <ly2en> last time it went automatically on the tracker due to native aprs at 2km+ height
[08:52] <ly2en> (from lightaprs-w)
[08:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> but that was an actual aprs
[08:53] <ly2en> yeah correct
[08:53] <ly2en> should I delete somehow the duplicate documents for LY1BWB-13 now ?
[08:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> you cant
[08:53] <ly2en> whoops. okay
[08:54] <VK5QI> it just uses the most recent one
[08:56] <ly2en> reported altitude 12500m
[08:57] <ly2en> all as expected
[09:25] <ly2en> Locator KM88SJ
[09:25] <VK5QI> [2021-11-10 08:27:10,908] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: No configuration doc for 'LY1BWB-13' found
[09:26] <VK5QI> [2021-11-10 08:27:10,491] INFO habitat.parser MainThread: Parsing [ascii] '$$LY1BWB-13,1636525200,08:20,38.43750,36.95833,9999,26,7.80,3.19,1,0*60\n' (18a5385054c79490f1342f9e85743466828e6b6b2f18a85f0c8560f69110f616) from LY1BWB-13
[09:26] <VK5QI> hmm
[09:26] <ly2en> anything that I can fix over at my end ?
[09:27] <VK5QI> nah i think you're doing the right thing
[09:27] <VK5QI> SA6BSS-Mike: did you add a payload doc?
[09:27] <ly2en> I did that
[09:27] <ly2en> 10:51 < ly2en> 90c7cae8bac44b7e5cb3749d17065c92
[09:27] <ly2en> copied from Mike
[09:28] <ly2en> maybe that was just a very crude copy
[09:28] <VK5QI> ahh maybe you didnt change the callsign
[09:28] <ly2en> well i went inside and did change it on the telemetry part
[09:28] <VK5QI> hrm
[09:29] <VK5QI> i wonder why it didnt find the callsign then..
[09:29] <ly2en> let me quadruple-check that
[09:29] <VK5QI> SA6BSS-Mike: can you take a look?
[09:29] <ly2en> VK5QI: what should be the callsign be? a) ly1bwb b) ly1bwb/am c) ly1bwb-13
[09:29] <VK5QI> LY1BWB-13
[09:29] <VK5QI> case sensitive
[09:30] <ly2en> updated it to 814c6195f427488aae3fbbda8fffdb9e
[09:30] <VK5QI> the first field in '$$LY1BWB-13,1636525200,08:20,38.43750,36.95833,9999,26,7.80,3.19,1,0*60\n'
[09:30] <VK5QI> can you restart and trigger a re-upload?
[09:30] <ly2en> it's just running in the background so I think next telemetry it will upload again
[09:31] <ly2en> but i can surely ^C the script
[09:31] <ly2en> not sure if it tries to re-upload
[09:31] <VK5QI> dunno
[09:31] <VK5QI> give it a go! no harm
[09:31] <ly2en> yeah just restarted
[09:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX1 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX1
[09:31] <ly2en> and this is not me :)
[09:31] <VK5QI> yeah i know lol
[09:31] <ly2en> script entered polling loop so maybe there is no local cache
[09:32] <VK5QI> hrm it doesnt find the last uploaded sentence and upload that?
[09:32] <VK5QI> local db that you can clear?
[09:32] <ly2en> loading from cache is not good for APRS-IS as it wants real time data so maybe the script is tuned for that purpose
[09:33] <VK5QI> maybe! i dont know much about it, never flown a wspr balloon
[09:34] <ly2en> okay let's wait 10 mins until next telemetr
[09:34] <VK5QI> okeydoke.
[09:34] <VK5QI> ly2en: let us know when it uploads
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[09:43] <ly2en> interestingly the script is just looping. surely will do
[09:46] <ly2en> there's just no new telemetry
[09:47] <VK5QI> sunset?
[09:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LY1BWB-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LY1BWB-13
[09:47] <ly2en> ha
[09:47] <ly2en> :)
[09:47] <VK5QI> hey! congrats!
[09:47] <ly2en> still showing 9999m
[09:47] <ly2en> decoded manually, the altitude is 12500
[09:47] <VK5QI> hm
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[09:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> ly2en: what fw are you running?
[09:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> if alt > 16500: # print("Bogus packet. Too high altitude!! locking to 9999") alt=9999
[09:52] <SA6BSS-Mike>
[09:52] <ly2en> I successfully decode it on the excel calculator as 12500
[09:52] <ly2en> fw is yours, modified
[09:52] <ly2en> but no change in packing algorithms
[09:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> what was the latestQ call?
[09:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> telemtry call
[09:55] <ly2en> 2021-11-10 09:42:00 | QS0FZS | KK32 | 13
[09:55] <ly2en> Locator KM88TI
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[09:55] <ly2en> Altitude 12480
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[09:56] <SA6BSS-Mike> hm, seems to be ok
[09:56] <SA6BSS-Mike> 12480m
[09:59] <SA6BSS-Mike> ["LY1BWB-13","LY1BWB",14,10,2]
[10:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> dont know why you have the same setup twice, only one call should be in there
[10:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> balloons = [ ["LY1BWB-13","LY1BWB",14,10,2,"20211109T0657",1,"13","LY1BWB 20m WSPR"] ] this looks really strange, cant figure why you set it this way
[10:01] <ly2en> https://pastebin.com/WRCY43aL
[10:01] <ly2en> SA6BSS-Mike: should I change any of those options?
[10:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> only this in balloion,ini nothing more ["LY1BWB-13","LY1BWB",14,10,2]
[10:02] <SA6BSS-Mike> and restart script
[10:02] <ly2en> so I don't need to push to aprs ?
[10:03] <ly2en> because the rest of it was aprs specific :)
[10:03] <ly2en> that's why
[10:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> no, the aprs upload is not set there
[10:04] <ly2en> last two fields: aprs-ssid, aprs_comment
[10:04] <SA6BSS-Mike> never used that branch of the script
[10:04] <SA6BSS-Mike> but thi s will make it work ["LY1BWB-13","LY1BWB",14,10,2]
[10:05] <ly2en> not on this branch, as it expects value
[10:05] <ly2en> let me see if i can fix that
[10:06] <ly2en> ['LY1BWB-13', 'LY1BWB', 14, 10, 2, '20211109T0657']
[10:06] <ly2en> this worked
[10:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> great, then you can teach me whats the "20211109T0657"??
[10:06] <ly2en> so I think your fork was smarter to keep the launch date out - because you can calculate it
[10:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> aha
[10:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> laucnh date
[10:07] <ly2en> this is used for the date filter to select out only the spots after launch
[10:07] <ly2en> anyway I think I've got it going now without the remaining aprs fields, only pushing to habhub to see if it automatically posts it to aprs-is
[10:08] <ly2en> and the 9999 is the script to blame
[10:09] <ly2en> I'm now more convinced to try your fork of the hab-wspr :)
[10:09] <VK5QI> "only pushing to habhub to see if it automatically posts
[10:09] <VK5QI> it to aprs-is"
[10:09] <VK5QI> there is no habhub -> aprs-is path
[10:09] <SA6BSS-Mike> for you to put 2 times the same call where the second call could take whatever Q call it saw :)
[10:11] <ly2en> https://github.com/reganhimself/hab-wspr/blob/master/balloon.ini#L15
[10:11] <ly2en> no timeslot? :)
[10:15] <ly2en> I might just write my own script to make sure I am aware of all the ends
[10:15] <ly2en> considering this habhub telemetry example is okay except the altitude: $$LY1BWB-13,1636530600,09:50,38.47917,36.95833,9999,26,7.80,3.19,1,0*6f
[10:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> thats probably an old file where there was only 2-3 people doing wspr flight with 0 nad Q calls and no filter was needed
[10:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> the filter thing came in later in the python script development
[10:16] <ly2en> so there are forks of this scripts by: Kevin Walton, YO3ICT, G7GPR and few others incl myself
[10:17] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, Im using reagan s version
[10:17] <SA6BSS-Mike> https://github.com/reganhimself/hab-wspr
[10:17] <ly2en> so in the reagan's version balloon.ini example there is no timeslot, only channel
[10:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> Where Kevin andEduard implemted some web interpagse for graphs
[10:18] <ly2en> is there a newer reaganhimself/hab-wspr somewhere ?
[10:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> no, but it supports timeslotting
[10:18] <ly2en> ah okay so I will just write it in
[10:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes
[10:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> here is Eduards yo3ict page where you can see the data extracted through the script http://yo3ict.uus.ro/flights/data.html
[10:19] <ly2en> nice
[10:19] <ly2en> Tracking these balloons:
[10:19] <ly2en> ['LY1BWB-13', 'LY1BWB', 14, 10, 2]
[10:19] <ly2en> got it going - let's see
[10:20] <SA6BSS-Mike> yep, waiting for telemtry :)
[10:21] <ly2en> something just came at 1014Z
[10:25] <ly2en> Locator KM98DF
[10:25] <ly2en> Altitude 12460
[10:25] <ly2en> Temp -0,05
[10:25] <ly2en> Bat 4,56
[10:25] <ly2en> ok got it going it seems
[10:27] <ly2en> lol the script pushed the data as LY1BWB-12 to aprs
[10:28] <ly2en> and as LY1BWB-13 to habhub
[10:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03GAS-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GAS-2
[10:44] <ly2en> now reported wrong altitude, telemetry still shows 12460
[10:45] <ly2en> back to normal again
[10:45] <ly2en> so looks good
[10:46] <SA6BSS-Mike> ahh, I think I know what going on :)
[10:47] <SA6BSS-Mike> NOB8 use ch10 as well
[10:47] <SA6BSS-Mike> and he uses his own telemtry format
[10:47] <SA6BSS-Mike> thats why you see yours telem on some and his telem on others
[10:48] <ly2en> wasn't that supposed to be coordinated under the flight ids ?
[10:48] <VK5QI> hahaha
[10:48] <SA6BSS-Mike> its only a recomended list
[10:48] <VK5QI> coordination?
[10:48] <VK5QI> lol
[10:48] <ly2en> lol
[10:48] <SA6BSS-Mike> and NOB8 have been up since June, so you have had lots of time to scan the script for Q0 calls
[10:48] <VK5QI> this whole WSPR telemetry thing is a hack
[10:48] <ly2en> yes it is a very nice hack indeed
[10:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> its!!
[10:49] <ly2en> and nobody has no authority whatsoever
[10:49] <ly2en> even though the list of flight id's is huge
[10:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> it will be really cool whn qrp labs relese itd 200ch wspr setup
[10:49] <ly2en> SA6BSS-Mike: well that's just another thing I had no time to check and assumed safe
[10:50] <ly2en> the importance of pre-flight checklists
[10:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> dg4nob have
[10:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> Q0 :x4 :x6 DG4NOB 04/17/2021 Q0 :x6 :x8 DG4NOB 07/05/2021 Q0 :x8 :x0 DG4NOB 08/29/2021
[10:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> with some wspr (mostly) kiwis runing wspr decode it will be some reporting in "late"
[10:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> then spilling over into the wrong slot
[10:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> hang on; i
[10:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> Il aks Stefan what slot on NOB8
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[10:56] <SA6BSS-Mike> hmm, my kwirc client is acting up today
[10:57] <ly2en> I will send a mail to kd2eat just to check
[10:57] <SA6BSS-Mike> what slot are you on agai
[10:57] <SA6BSS-Mike> ?
[10:57] <ly2en> it's the only one LY1BWB :x0 / telemetry :x2
[10:57] <SA6BSS-Mike> list is here http://hojoham.blogspot.com/2016/10/known-flight-ids.html
[10:57] <ly2en> Q0
[10:57] <ly2en> :x0 :x2
[10:57] <ly2en> LY1BWB
[10:57] <ly2en> 04/14/2021
[10:57] <ly2en> yep only one line under Q0
[10:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> nob8 probably run telem on min 0 spilling into your slot 2
[10:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> as of late decoders
[10:59] <ly2en> anyway it looks quite good so far, will be zig-zagging a bit
[10:59] <ly2en> learned a ton of new stuff again over the last few days
[10:59] <SA6BSS-Mike> it will as of the lower lat long res and 10 min delay between packets
[11:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> lot to take in yes :)
[11:01] <ly2en> the other me today is doing work - 13 meetings since morning, 6 left to go
[11:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> and ofc if a "wrong" telem gets in there it will be and extra ZIG
[11:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> :)
[11:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> I hope you ahve taken notes :)
[11:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> of the meetings
[11:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> your mind have been here , lol
[11:02] <ly2en> yeah totally wandered away on one meeting but ... happens :)
[11:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok, stefan got back to me, he use minute 4
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[11:53] <ly2en> so maybe there's just somebody else overlapping without prior coordination
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[12:26] <ly2en> people asked yesterday why there is CW on the WSPR bands hehe... my poweron beacon :)
[12:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2FOU-11 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2FOU-11
[13:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0RPZ_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0RPZ_chase
[13:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[14:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC3ROL-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC3ROL-11
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[16:03] <ly2en> any way I can upload now the history of the balloon to habhub ?
[16:03] <ly2en> (out of pure curiosity)
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[16:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03B-69 after 0313 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=B-69
[16:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> LeoBodnar: right on time :)
[16:20] <LeoBodnar> heh yeah HYSPLIT rarely fails
[16:21] <SA6BSS-Mike> thumbup
[16:52] <ly2en> https://github.com/kareiva/ICT-v5-ATGM336/pull/1/files
[16:52] <ly2en> will keep this in my codebase
[17:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> Bookmarked ! :)
[17:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M0XER-9 after 0313 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0XER-9
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[17:38] <N0UUU> I have a question reguarding sondehub, if I run a auto-rx on a Pi that's moving with GPS attached, would my green dot update accordingly on the map?
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[20:02] <ly2en> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjCi5Q1ZNiU now watching my own video and reflecting on the so many sunny days when I was so lazy and didn't move a finger towards launching a hab
[20:02] <ly2en> N0UUU> I have a question reguarding sondehub
[20:02] <ly2en> as far as I remember, it's static config
[20:04] <ly2en> ah no, gpsd support is also there!
[20:04] <ly2en> also here: https://github.com/projecthorus/chasemapper
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[20:37] <VK5QI> ly2en: they're gone
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[21:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB0URW-15 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB0URW-15
[21:20] <ly2en> yes I just remembered I'm ignoring joins/quits
[21:20] <ly2en> lol
[21:46] <VK5QI> and yes, gpsd support can work, but for a moving station chasemapper is the preferred option
[21:46] <VK5QI> it makes it clear that there's someone out chasing the sonde
[21:47] <ly2en> I love the triangulation feature of the chasemapper
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[22:30] <VK5QI> ly2en: which part?
[22:30] <VK5QI> wait, someone else is using my bearing stuff? :P
[22:31] <ly2en> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/projecthorus/chasemapper/master/doc/bearings.jpg
[22:31] <ly2en> this looks like "bearing stuff" :D
[22:33] <ly2en> so i mean exactly this, assuming this is yours :)
[22:35] <ly2en> not yet "using" but just shared it with the club members
[22:35] <ly2en> will see :P
[22:35] <VK5QI> yes, i wrote that
[22:35] <VK5QI> in that example its plotting data from a modified version of kerberos-sdr
[22:36] <ly2en> it really looks good on paper, as I've scrolled down to the bottom and was like "whoah I can understand this graph"
[22:36] <VK5QI> there's also now a little webpage served up by chasemapper that allows manual entering of bearings using a phone
[22:36] <ly2en> so I need to try it out whether it's not cumbersome to use it during a chase
[22:36] <VK5QI> i use that when out hunting with a beam
[22:36] <VK5QI> oh this stuff isnt designed for sonde hunting tbh
[22:37] <VK5QI> the bearing stuff is for ARDF
[22:37] <ly2en> ahhhh alright
[22:37] <VK5QI> or hunting down annoying people
[22:37] <ly2en> okay.
[22:38] <VK5QI> i kind of bolted it onto chasemapper as it was an already functioning mapping system, with most of the data transfer stuff required to do it
[22:40] <ly2en> it surely would make good use for any situation where the beacon does not emit coordinates or otherwise is unable to relay coordinates to the chaser
[22:40] <VK5QI> oh for sure
[22:40] <ly2en> like, for custom payload recovery or smth
[22:40] <VK5QI> just need to be aware of the limitations of whatever ou are using to produce bearings
[22:41] <ly2en> right.
[22:41] <VK5QI> e.g. the circular array i'm using does not have any elevation output
[22:41] <VK5QI> and results in very bad bearings when the signal is at > 40 degrees elevation
[22:41] <ly2en> VK5QI: mind if I ask you a culture thing
[22:41] <VK5QI> sure
[22:42] <ly2en> is it acceptable in VK land generally to order cheap electronics from china
[22:42] <VK5QI> i guess it depends what kinds of electronics, but sure
[22:43] <VK5QI> mains powered devices are meant to pass certain standards to be sold here
[22:43] <ly2en> i know many people in USA who just hate buying from aliexpress or equivalent
[22:43] <VK5QI> gotta be 'murican made eh
[22:43] <ly2en> they get frustrated if I mention I've bought something there blah
[22:43] <ly2en> yeah
[22:43] <VK5QI> "where can i buy the freedom version"
[22:43] <ly2en> well for your geography the logistics should be quite straightforward
[22:45] <VK5QI> yeah
[22:45] <ly2en> other thing is quality, i know YO3ICT is actively resisting to buy chinese components just because the cheap copies have narrower temp ranges, etc
[22:46] <VK5QI> oh, is this stuff like gps modules?
[22:46] <ly2en> well the si5351 and gps too
[22:46] <VK5QI> like ublox vs the chinese clones
[22:46] <VK5QI> i've always been a little wary of the ublox clones, but i've seen actual met radiosondes using them, so...
[22:46] <VK5QI> there's si5351 clones?
[22:46] <ly2en> i personally don't mind chinese clones as long as I can get tens of them to different schools so that the kids could put them to fly
[22:47] <ly2en> otherwise i would be looking at 0's in current stock ...
[22:47] <VK5QI> yeah, i'd be wary initially, and would want to do some testing before putting them into 'production'
[22:47] <VK5QI> but if they test ok... then i dont see a problem
[22:48] <ly2en> i'm trying to do a budget calculation for the cheapest possible tracker based on ICT
[22:49] <ly2en> so even if the reliability of the components is lower, it gamifies the process of ballooning in a way
[22:49] <VK5QI> we really need to get away from WSPR...
[22:49] <VK5QI> but its difficult. replacing such a big network of receivers is a challenge
[22:50] <ly2en> what do you propose? :)
[22:50] <VK5QI> yeah i dont know... thats the issue
[22:50] <ly2en> is ft8 the saviour of ham radio??? :D
[22:50] <VK5QI> i mean, tbh JS8 is an option
[22:50] <VK5QI> but thats still going to be a few dB off the performance of WSPR
[22:50] <ly2en> it's like replacing ipv4
[22:50] <VK5QI> its more the shoehorning of telemetry into the WSPR framework that annoys me a bit
[22:51] <ly2en> as the ipv6 was never thought to be an extention ipv4 but rather a replacement
[22:51] <ly2en> it ended up having lower adoption rates and hacks like 6to4
[22:51] <ly2en> so back to the wspr example
[22:52] <VK5QI> WSPR was used because there was a pre-existing network of automated receivers, feeding a central db that coudl be mined
[22:52] <ly2en> I'd say naturally WSPR found an extention to itself to support habs
[22:52] <VK5QI> yeah
[22:52] <VK5QI> that would be the ideal move
[22:52] <VK5QI> give us a few extra bytes!
[22:52] <ly2en> even though that extension is not ideal...
[22:52] <ly2en> the natural selection should do the job
[22:52] <VK5QI> like, realistically only 3-4 extra bytes are needed
[22:52] <ly2en> either all of the wspr dies out and dinosaurs are replaced by mammals
[22:53] <VK5QI> APRS is a similar example, right
[22:53] <VK5QI> APRS is oooooold tech. AFSK, no FEC
[22:53] <VK5QI> but good luck replacing that network
[22:53] <ly2en> unnumbered AX25 oh yeah
[22:53] <ly2en> so instead of looking for a replacement I think it would be worth exploring an option how to extend it
[22:54] <VK5QI> i mean, the current approach of using non-allocated prefixes to 'inject' data does work
[22:54] <VK5QI> but there needs to be more coordination
[22:55] <ly2en> as a victim of a recent telemetry overlap, i'd second that
[22:55] <VK5QI> the problem is.... who manages it
[22:55] <ly2en> should there be a IARU working group for that ?
[22:55] <ly2en> like the guys over there coordinate a lot of stuff
[22:56] <ly2en> i used to go to these meetings. drafting a bandplan for them is a business as usual
[22:56] <VK5QI> i mean, there just needs to be a central register of these slots
[22:56] <VK5QI> and people need to actually make use of it
[22:57] <ly2en> yes but central means authoritative
[22:57] <VK5QI> yes
[22:57] <ly2en> and there is no other global authority than IARU
[22:57] <VK5QI> and not everyone likes that
[22:57] <ly2en> they do coordinate satellites
[22:57] <VK5QI> well, they try
[22:57] <VK5QI> they are pretty powerless when commercial organisations go use the amateur bands without coordination
[22:57] <ly2en> they do actually and if you misbehave, Hans PB2T flies over to you and beats the shit out of you verbally
[22:58] <ly2en> that was exactly the case with a lithuanian satellite
[22:58] <VK5QI> haha
[22:58] <ly2en> the local clerks coordinated satellite frequencies on the national level
[22:58] <ly2en> they forgot one thing that the space is shared
[22:59] <VK5QI> yeah this has happened quite a few times now
[22:59] <ly2en> so to my mind, a bit of trustworthiness and authority would greatly benefit the whole process
[23:00] <ly2en> else, we still have spare 10 seconds inbetween WSPR transmissions lol :)
[23:00] <ly2en> well, technically 9.4s
[23:00] <VK5QI> hehe
[23:00] <ly2en> so with multithreaded decoders ... maybe even support overlaps :)
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[23:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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