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[00:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W6SUN after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W6SUN
[01:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M0XER-9 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0XER-9
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[07:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03B-69 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=B-69
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[07:51] <ly2en> SA6BSS-Mike1: thanks, just curious, not seriously interested at the time.
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[08:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NOB8 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOB8
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[08:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03AB5SS-76 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AB5SS-76
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[11:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[12:17] <ly2en> SA6BSS-Mike1: with the timing in the ICT code, the transmission starts somewhat early. When I ran an outdoor test, there were many stations decoding the signal, but I can't get it decoded indoor for myself, here's the premature TX: https://pasteboard.co/s1ARtVokfljE.png
[12:18] <ly2en> probably some clocks outside still are on a +-1sec drift
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[12:27] <PE2BZ> ly2en, you are 100 percent sure it´s not your computer timing ? I have never seen this with the ICT or any other wspr software over here. Always about .5 seconds after the timeslot ?
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[12:45] <ly2en> i think my windows pc forgot how to do ntp, but anyway, with the timed tx, I can't get it to decode locally. Will probably put it up high again and check how others rx
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[12:46] <ly2en> i remember that this wasn't a problem when last time I've put the wire on a mast
[12:46] <PE2BZ> I needed a lot of attenuation for local decodes over here by the way.
[12:47] <PE2BZ> And I have Dimension 4 running to sync the PC every 1 hour. I play Need For Speed every now and then, PC clock gets 4 - 6 seconds out of sync ;-)
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[13:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03R3SPTEST_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=R3SPTEST_chase
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[13:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SA6BSS-7 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SA6BSS-7
[13:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N0CALL_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N0CALL_chase
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[14:09] <ly2en> PE2BZ: by local I mean s7 on local SDR with a random wire attached. of course, the spectrum is like a crown anyway
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[14:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NOB9 after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOB9
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[15:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LY2BAW-4FSK after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LY2BAW-4FSK
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[15:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YO3HCM after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YO3HCM
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[16:25] <ly2en> "add enough hydrogen to create 7 to 8 grams of free lift per balloon, without a failure at float level"
[16:25] <ly2en> that means two balloons can lift 14-16g ?
[16:26] <ly2en> added 12g of payload, the negative scale would show 2-4g?
[16:27] <ly2en> okay, I understand free lift as excluding the payload
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[16:42] <ROBMAC163> Hello -- how does one go about monitoring a callsign on tracker.habhub.com; does the callsign require registration -- is there a formal process to make it trackable. RM
[16:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YO3ICT-4FSK - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YO3ICT-4FSK
[16:43] <ly2en> ROBMAC163: I think, if your callsign appears at a certain altitude on the APRS system, the habhub starts to track it automatically
[16:47] <SA6BSS-Mike1> ROBMAC163: http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[16:47] <SA6BSS-Mike1> just make payload doc and uppload and it will show on map
[16:49] <ROBMAC163> (y)
[16:49] <SA6BSS-Mike1> I runing my wspr boards with a 5cm wire out in the garden , decodes fine
[16:49] <SA6BSS-Mike1> ly2en:
[16:50] <SA6BSS-Mike1> or near my radio
[16:51] <ROBMAC163> We've been mostly relying on APRS telemetry; have not tried WSPR yet.
[16:51] <ly2en> SA6BSS-Mike1: so free lift, that's without payload - correct ?
[16:51] <SA6BSS-Mike1> free lift and neck lift
[16:51] <SA6BSS-Mike1> neck lift , total free lift
[16:52] <SA6BSS-Mike1> *or total lift
[16:52] <SA6BSS-Mike1> free lift is after you retract the payload
[16:52] <SA6BSS-Mike1> 5 gram payload 10gram necklift gives 5 gram free lift
[16:52] <ly2en> roger
[16:53] <ly2en> so the chinese no more than 3grams per free lift
[16:53] <ly2en> *free lift per balloon
[16:53] <SA6BSS-Mike1> you can run 6,5 on each safly
[16:54] <SA6BSS-Mike1> or even 7.5
[16:55] <ly2en> well the last one with 8g popped quite quick
[16:55] <ly2en> will try to do like 3g/balloon this time
[16:55] <ly2en> ict payload is around 14-15g (10g for the solar)
[16:56] <SA6BSS-Mike1> wow, how did you manage that?
[16:56] <SA6BSS-Mike1> thats heavvy!
[16:56] <ly2en> don't know, each of the cells is like close to 1g
[16:57] <SA6BSS-Mike1> to big cells
[16:57] <ly2en> https://twitter.com/kelionebalionu/status/1452669187860611073
[16:57] <ly2en> yeah the bigger ones
[16:57] <ly2en> but my small 39x39mm are also close to 1g each
[16:57] <SA6BSS-Mike1> 39x19 or 39x22 will do nicely, they are 0,3 - 0,4 each
[16:57] <PE2BZ> 8 cells instead of 6 ?
[16:58] <SA6BSS-Mike1> 6 cells 39x19 runs the ict down to 13°
[16:58] <SA6BSS-Mike1> or 4 39x19 and a boost charge https://imgur.com/a/7Dd8q4Y
[16:59] <SA6BSS-Mike1> about 18°
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[16:59] <SA6BSS-Mike1> but I have seen lately the 39x19 isnt easy to get anymore
[17:00] <ly2en> so... 3 chinese balloons? :)
[17:00] <PE2BZ> It´s also a ¨problem¨ to have to use 2 wires on the top, this is not the easiest to mount either.
[17:00] <PE2BZ> No, 2 chinese and accept it won´t go much higher as 9000 meter :-)
[17:00] <ly2en> i damaged one cell already whilst trying to find the sweetspot for the pcb mounting
[17:01] <ly2en> PE2BZ: I have 3 spare SBS13's :)
[17:01] <ly2en> the last one flew around 12k with lightaprs-w
[17:02] <PE2BZ> That´s nice, but 3 chinese unprepared increases the risk of 1 of them bursting, adding 30 gram extra weight to your payload and taking it down.
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[17:02] <ly2en> PE2BZ: still better than floating at commercial flight altitude
[17:03] <SA6BSS-Mike1> I would sugrst you get some 52x19 cells for your next launch, that will give you some extra needed power this time of year without being very heavy, that would keep you payload below 5 gram
[17:05] <PE2BZ> Althoug I do trust Mike I never got one below 5 gram. He must be using solder lead with Helium inside ;-)
[17:06] <SA6BSS-Mike1> :)
[17:09] <PE2BZ> Is it me or are solar prices doubled the last 8 - 10 months ?
[17:09] <PE2BZ> https://www.ebay.com/itm/223272780031?hash=item33fc1840ff:g:wbMAAOSwmOBcCNxB
[17:10] <SA6BSS-Mike1> now VAT in included in the price?
[17:16] <ly2en> aliexpress still has those under usd10
[17:16] <SA6BSS-Mike1> yes indeed, I dont think the price have changed much
[17:19] <SA6BSS-Mike1> ly2en: by the way, was it the gps that had broken with the 5v powering?
[17:26] <ly2en> no it went back up, coincidentally during the time I was about to arrange to capture the serial port, it went back up again
[17:26] <SA6BSS-Mike1> ok, thats nice!
[17:27] <ly2en> 5V is probably not an instant killer
[17:27] <ly2en> but i'd like a small LDO on the ICT :)
[17:27] <SA6BSS-Mike1> yes, if you set it to use 7-8 cells a ldo would be requiered3
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[17:28] <ly2en> i will fly the TQFP, marked as untested over at your end :)
[17:29] <ly2en> the xs board has larger holes for VCC
[17:29] <SA6BSS-Mike1> probably not
[17:29] <SA6BSS-Mike1> what wires do you use! :)
[17:29] <SA6BSS-Mike1> I can fir 4 of my wires in that hole
[17:30] <ly2en> i mean, compared two boards, the other one has 0.2mm holes if i'm not mistaken
[17:31] <SA6BSS-Mike1> smallest holes without the holes getting "tented" during fabrication is ,45mm
[17:31] <SA6BSS-Mike1> 0,45
[17:31] <SA6BSS-Mike1> lets see. which board do you use?
[17:31] <SA6BSS-Mike1> and lets also see ifI have tested the untested board
[17:31] <ly2en> hold on
[17:32] <ly2en> i think I have the qfn right now... my mistake
[17:32] <ly2en> i actually have both versions in the box
[17:32] <ly2en> aaand.... the one which is flight due, is QFN
[17:34] <ly2en> the problem is that as a young parent, I cannot focus for more than 15 minutes on this kind of work - the kid has been sick recent days and running around the apartment, requiring constant attention... so my work is kind of, best effort
[17:34] <SA6BSS-Mike1> ah, ok, the "large" footprint 328 TQFP should work, its still untested
[17:34] <ly2en> good stuff is that the soldering iron is smart and knows how to sleep
[17:34] <SA6BSS-Mike1> been there!! :)
[17:34] <ly2en> so if the kid would ever grab that, at least some safety
[17:35] <SA6BSS-Mike1> lol
[17:35] <ly2en> positive side: she is 3 and knows earth is round and that balloons fly around it
[17:36] <SA6BSS-Mike1> good start on a haber to be :)
[17:36] <ly2en> yeah and whilst working on that, my own to-do list is growing fast!
[17:36] <ly2en> do you cut away the pin side of the pcb before launching?
[17:36] <SA6BSS-Mike1> get some rs41 sondes, get some 1m red latex balloons and let her paint the casing of the rs41 and send it of and fo watch the map!
[17:37] <ly2en> yeah, backlog item #37: need to put up a 70cm aprs igate!
[17:37] <SA6BSS-Mike1> yes, its 0,45gram to save
[17:37] <SA6BSS-Mike1> I also whn I want to go light desolder the cap of the gps, its 0,2 gram lol
[17:40] <SA6BSS-Mike1> ok, I checked the vcc gnd , they are 0,4 and 0,6mm on respective boards
[17:40] <SA6BSS-Mike1> drill size that is
[17:42] <SA6BSS-Mike1> watching my -7 getting iced up and slowly decent over new foundland
[17:43] <SA6BSS-Mike1> op, Nova scotia...
[17:44] <SA6BSS-Mike1> seems to be some clear weather aheaf, hopefully it gets into that before the sun gets to low
[17:44] <SA6BSS-Mike1> https://www.accuweather.com/sv/se/national/satellite
[17:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03icspace26-test after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=icspace26-test
[17:57] <ROBMAC163> I need help configuring an APRS-IS callsign for tracking here on HabHub; seems like the payload document generator is not compatible with APRS-IS; thoughts?
[17:59] <PE2BZ> ROBMAC163, is there any need to appear on Habhub alt altitudes below 2000 m ? APRS flights do automatically appear on the tracker above this altitude.
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[18:00] <ROBMAC163> PE2BZ - does the HabHub data feed automatically detect objects above 2000 m without any prior registration process?
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[18:02] <PE2BZ> Yes
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[18:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE6BLR-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE6BLR-11
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[18:21] <ROBMAC163> PE2BZ -- thanks for the help; we're working on pre-flight tracking things.
[18:22] <ROBMAC163> The callsign KE6BLR-11 mapped to a SPOT-Trace asset tracker running on the satellite network; beta-testing all things before November launch.
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[18:59] <ly2en> just untangled myself from 1m of 0.1mm wire
[19:00] <ly2en> err, 10m of 0.1mm
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[19:06] <ly2en> PE2BZ: does the habhub read the launch coordinates retrospectively once it sees an object elevated above 2k meters? like, to display the very first positions?
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[19:35] <SA6BSS-Mike1> ly2en: that goes only with aprs payloads
[19:35] <SA6BSS-Mike1> if you want to track a APRS payload from launch and up you ask in #habhub for it to be aded to the prs importer
[19:36] <SA6BSS-Mike1> *aprs importer
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[20:12] <ly2en> got it
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[21:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP3IZN-4FSK - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP3IZN-4FSK
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[22:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2WLS-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2WLS-11
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[23:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W9WWI-12 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W9WWI-12
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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