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[07:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP6ZWR-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6ZWR-12
[08:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6ZWR-4FSK after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6ZWR-4FSK
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[08:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP6ZWR_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6ZWR_chase
[08:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NOB8 after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOB8
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[08:51] <gef> !dial SP6ZWR-12
[08:51] <SpacenearUS> 03gef: 03SP6ZWR-12 is over APRS. 144.8Mhz EU/Russia/Africa, 144.39Mhz USA, 144.64Mhz China
[08:52] <gef> !dial SP6ZWR-4FSK
[08:52] <SpacenearUS> 03gef: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[09:02] <SA6BSS-Mike> gef: APRS 432.500 i 4FSK 437.600
[09:06] <gef> Thanks
[09:07] <gef> I presume there is just 1 flight, but with two trackers... Why are the predicted paths on habhub tracker so different?
[09:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> calculated on different altitudes I guess
[09:41] <dfgg_> gef: it's one tracker
[09:42] <gef> thanks :)
[09:42] <dfgg_> err this is
[09:42] <dfgg_> rs41 with modified rs41hup with enabled both 4fsk and aprs-70cm alternating each
[09:43] <dfgg_> so each transmission is at different x,y,z-coords
[09:44] <dfgg_> this setup got fairly popular in poland thanks to 70cm-aprs coverage
[09:49] <gef> I am trying to find a good magnetic Lora antenna for chase car in UK, 434Mhz - does anyone have any good recommendations? Can I just buy any, and then cut it down to the appropriate length for 434MHz?
[09:54] <daveake> That's what I do
[09:54] <daveake> The cheapo whip ones are (allegedly) tunes for 434, but they are thin wire and flap around in the wind
[09:55] <daveake> So I just buy those, remove the wire, get a brass hex space to the right thread, then solder on a short length of brass rod
[09:55] <daveake> Then cover in heat-shrink
[09:57] <gef> Thanks Dave. you might be able to help me with another question - I did ask in the google group, but a little unclear still - trying to learn all I can...
[09:58] <gef> For Lora frequency, I pick a suitable one on both payload and gateway.... I guess there is no way of the GW monitoring all suotable lora frequencies, so I have an increased change of picking up other folks tranmissions?
[09:58] <gef> or is that what the AFC option is doing?
[10:05] <daveake> AFC keeps it locked in if the frequency drifts, which it will to some extent as the payload temperature changes
[10:06] <daveake> So, since people are free to choose whatever frequency/mode they like, we settled on a standard "calling mode" which you set in the gateway as 433.650MHz mode 5
[10:06] <gef> ok, so i really need to reconfigure the gw specifically for each flight i want to track. Is there a more 'popular' frequency I can just leave it running on?
[10:07] <daveake> The tracker then sends out periodic "calling mode" messages on this frequency
[10:07] <daveake> And those messages say "hey I'm actually using 434.450MHz Mode 1" orwhatever
[10:07] <daveake> Then the gateway switches to those settings and listens
[10:08] <daveake> It'll stay on those settings till it's not heard from the tracker for a while, when it will switch back to the calling mode settings
[10:08] <gef> perfect!
[10:09] <gef> :) thanks!
[10:09] <daveake> So in theory at least (i.e. assuming people use the calling mode) you can just set your gateway to that and leave it
[10:09] <gef> PITS tracker uses calling mode presumably
[10:09] <daveake> So long as it's set to, yes. All my tracker programs have the option.
[10:10] <daveake> I should probably have it on as a default tbh
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[11:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SA6BSS-8 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SA6BSS-8
[11:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[11:58] <gef> My current planning is to use the LoRa PI HAT (434MHz) with a DIY antenna, and the Pi GPS/RTC HAT (All from Uptronics), running on PITS... there doesn't seem to be any GPIO collisions which is nice... Antennawise for the GPS, would the active GPS patch antenna be suitable for my use case? (HAB-APGPS-30)
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[12:41] <daveake> Sure
[12:41] <gef> Thanks - Another item on my big spreadsheet i can tick off :)
[12:43] <gef> Would that ideally be mounted on the outside of payload box for best GPS signal? or would that cause other issues (temp etc?)
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[13:10] <PE2BZ> gef, what´s the payload weight you are aiming at , if any ? I find about 100 gram (specified as max weight for the GPS antenna) a bit heavy. Considering my Pi Zero tracker payloads being around 120 gram including batteries and parachute
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[13:22] <daveake> For GPS antenna - yes put it on top of the box, so it has a clear view. It'll be happy outside the payload without insulation.
[13:25] <dfgg_> unless it's not metallic there should be no diffrerence
[13:26] <dfgg_> ppl have launched stripped rs41 boards alone to make them weigh less
[13:40] <daveake> Sure, but outside the box keeps the GPS antenna further away from potential sources of interference e.g. some cheap chinese camera that someone nameless once attached to one of my payloads thus knocking out GPS as soon as it launched :/ :)
[13:43] <gef> PE2BZ, its showing as 42g for the GPS antenna with 50cm lead - Think my total payload is 350g (excluding balloon) - is that crazy heavy?
[13:44] <gef> Thats on pi a+ including batteries and all other bits
[13:44] <dfgg_> daveake: ikr, ttgo t-beam power supply tends to make enough interference that when you try to run it with 18650 "as designed" you'll face fix issues
[13:44] <dfgg_> yes and no
[13:45] <dfgg_> it all depends on your balloon and gas prices
[13:45] <daveake> Well those have pitifully tiny GPS antennae too
[13:45] <dfgg_> i've seen launched both gram and kilogram-like payloads
[13:45] <daveake> 350g is fine
[13:46] <gef> current fag packet workings are HY-350 balloon, taking 1.3cubic metres of helium (I've not properly got to looking at this side of things in detail yet - want to prove out the LoRa bits in isolation first!)
[13:47] <gef> Freezers and drones to help with some of that!
[13:49] <dfgg_> lately we've launched ~1kg payload with ~2,5kg free-pull on 1200g baloon - https://innspace.pl/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/9-768x768.png
[13:49] <dfgg_> https://innspace.pl/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/27-1536x1536.png
[13:49] <gef> what was in there to get it to 1kg?
[13:49] <dfgg_> few uv-meters attached to styrofoam, 2 gopros, pi, powersupply, so on, and on the same train at least 3 modified radiosondes, and one sa818-based transverter
[13:50] <gef> :)
[13:50] <dfgg_> and on tail - hamburger with 2 chinese cameras
[13:50] <dfgg_> still waiting for guys to get with more footage
[13:51] <dfgg_> https://innspace.pl/wyslac-soczewki-w-stratosfere/
[13:51] <dfgg_> also, a nice view https://innspace.pl/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/G0030378-1536x1152.jpg
[13:52] <dfgg_> btw i've joined launch at last moment - on day of launch, so i'm not endorsed with any party
[13:53] <gef> nice shot!
[13:53] <dfgg_> also, those guys from https://wstratosfere.pl/ are nice enough to share their projects related powersupply, sstv transmission and few others
[13:54] <dfgg_> they've started with styrofoambox with only mp3 player https://wstratosfere.pl/work/sstv-do-balonu-krotkofalarskiego/
[13:56] <dfgg_> and latest launch was with DSSTV with just-in-time photos, PT meter and geiger counter
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[14:19] <PE2BZ> gef, no problem at all :-) Can be done on 100 or 200 gram ballon too, saving some HE. You did read what type of batteries to use ?
[14:19] <gef> Energizer lithuim!
[14:20] <PE2BZ> :-)
[14:20] <PE2BZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEhdlIor-do
[14:20] <gef> Enjoying all the different aspects to this - I've been looking for a good geeky project to keep me busy for ages. So many things to consider!
[14:20] <PE2BZ> Captain Kirk is on hold at the moment
[14:21] <gef> they using energizer ultimate lithium? ;)
[14:21] <PE2BZ> No, replacing alkaline with lithium right now :-)
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[14:25] <PE2BZ> Saturday during Jota (around 11 UTC) there is a launch planned with SSDV LoRa mode 3 at 432.700 from the west coast of NL travelling to the east. (The use of airborn radio is allowed over here, and even since the 1st of september we are no longer required to send ID in either phone or CW, just in the transmission mode is OK
[14:26] <PE2BZ> sudo Scotty beam him up ....
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[14:49] <PE2BZ> T - 20 seconds
[14:49] <daveake> Make it so
[14:49] <daveake> Oh, wrong captain ... :)
[14:50] <PE2BZ> They stole your overlay ;-)
[14:50] <daveake> Love that drone shot
[14:51] <daveake> Heh
[14:51] <PE2BZ> Let´s see if the parachute appears on the left ;-)
[14:51] <daveake> :D
[14:54] <daveake> Klingons on the starboard bow
[14:54] <PE2BZ> :-)
[14:55] <PE2BZ> Very funny Scotty, now beam my clothes up.
[14:55] <daveake> Telemetry not updating
[14:55] <PE2BZ> Not eneough receivers :-)
[14:55] <daveake> ah there it goes again
[14:55] <daveake> heh
[14:56] <PE2BZ> No Wenet either....
[14:58] <PE2BZ> Now let´s land the capsule back on top of it :-)
[15:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SSTAR0459 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SSTAR0459
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[16:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W6MRR-10 after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W6MRR-10
[17:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BZ-LORA-6 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BZ-LORA-6
[17:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PE2BZ-10 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PE2BZ-10
[17:50] Nick change: EwanP___ -> EwanP
[17:53] Nick change: EwanP -> EwanP_
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[19:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ5RB-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ5RB-11
[19:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ5RB - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ5RB
[19:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MIKEL-1 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MIKEL-1
[20:09] <ly2en_> tried to compile the RS41ng
[20:10] <ly2en_> looks like the compiler optimizations are in the favour of speed, so doesn't fit into rom
[20:10] <ly2en_> changed optimizations from -O3 to -Os and it went on nicely
[20:10] <ly2en_> now struggling with the linker and string functions
[20:11] Nick change: ly2en_ -> ly2en
[20:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TTS73 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TTS73
[20:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP8ESA - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP8ESA
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[21:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ5RB-4FSK - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ5RB-4FSK
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[22:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NOB9 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOB9
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[23:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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