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[05:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NOB9 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOB9
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[08:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2FOU-11 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2FOU-11
[08:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NOB8 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOB8
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[12:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03AURA-3 after 0311 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AURA-3
[12:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[13:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BZ-LORA-6 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BZ-LORA-6
[13:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BZ-RTTY-6 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BZ-RTTY-6
[14:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W6MRR-10 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W6MRR-10
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[16:48] <SA6BSS-Mike> LeoBodnar: Hi, I saw your balloon decend and land in the sea outside Florida a couple of days ago, how much free lift did you have in that custom balloon?
[16:49] <LeoBodnar> about 10 grams, it got into weather troubles
[16:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, it decended quite fast at 1ms, guessed rain without looking at the weather map
[16:51] <LeoBodnar> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/o1JwFbIo/weather-B-68.png
[16:51] <LeoBodnar> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/syd6TAtp/water-vapour-B-68.png
[16:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> ouch , no way get out of that!
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[17:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> LeoBodnar: so, just curious , what film did you use for latest custom balloons?
[17:31] <LeoBodnar> same as before but transparent, I used to strip Ali off
[17:32] <LeoBodnar> at least now don't have to do that
[17:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> used to strip Ali, like use multiple cutup clear Aliexpress balloons?
[17:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> where did you get the film you use now?
[17:36] <LeoBodnar> I had a roll of 90cm wide aluminised film so had to strip Al layer with NaOH
[17:37] <LeoBodnar> I bought same film but without the Al layer from some random balloon making company on alibaba
[17:37] <LeoBodnar> I wish there was a reliable and assured quality stuff around
[17:37] <SA6BSS-Mike> aha, now I get it :)
[17:37] <SA6BSS-Mike> rr on that
[17:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, from my tests with film its clear it needs to be transparent, any colour of the film will make it heatup and burst within a day or of flight
[17:40] <LeoBodnar> sure, that was totally counter-intuitive
[17:40] <LeoBodnar> I flew first clear balloon to see how much worse it was vs aluminised. So it was a controlled failure experiment.
[17:41] <LeoBodnar> Instead it had almost no solar gain
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[17:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> :) thats the best ones!
[17:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> 0 solar gain is what we want
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[17:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> so I habe some film from fluffy in USA and some from here https://www.ballonzauber.de/ballonshop.php?request=show_Produkt&ArtikelNr=47FR100
[17:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> next tryout with custom balloons will be to make the balloon and the wash it clear of the Alu
[17:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> I use hot water and detergent, what did you u se yo get the alu off?
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[17:54] <LeoBodnar> I have used a drain cleaner, it has quite a lot of NaOH
[17:54] <SA6BSS-Mike> aha, to strong for my taste!
[17:55] <LeoBodnar> that sort of thing https://www.amazon.co.uk/Buster-Kitchen-Plughole-Unblocker-GRANULES/dp/B00D6G7XEQ/ref=asc_df_B00D6G7XEQ/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=310679449814&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10162091515302732282&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9046194&hvtargid=pla-562671355870&psc=1&th=1&psc=1
[17:55] <SA6BSS-Mike> but NaOH is fun making small Hydrogen balloons with the kids and send off :)
[17:56] <LeoBodnar> heh
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[17:59] <ly2en> hey, playing with LoRA APRS here and thought, theoretically it could work on the 868MHz and even on 915MHz ?
[17:59] <ly2en> it's just APRS data sent over a LoRa link anyway
[18:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, most of the modules use the sx1278 or 1276
[18:01] <ly2en> so with that, LoRa APRS uses arbitrary frequency like 433775000
[18:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> but the LP filters in the modules will kill the signal so you have
[18:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> its pure lora on aprs.fi webpage
[18:01] <ly2en> so with a 868 board, I'd just set the frequency to something 868775000
[18:01] <ly2en> and with same frequency on the iGate, it should work
[18:02] <SA6BSS-Mike> I guess, what are you going to use it for+
[18:02] <SA6BSS-Mike> ?
[18:02] <ly2en> I started to use this on 433: https://github.com/lora-aprs/LoRa_APRS_iGate
[18:02] <ly2en> and it seems to work just fine
[18:02] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes, I have tested it
[18:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> small comunety in Swe using it, maby 12-15 stations up
[18:03] <ly2en> but it supports only 433 so why not switch to 868 where less noise, smaller antennas and more available channels
[18:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> and shorter range :)
[18:03] <ly2en> well yes, just that a bunch of spare 868 modules would be put to work
[18:04] <ly2en> and also in the USA, not sure why there is no lora on 433
[18:04] <ly2en> so anyway they could put the 868's to some good use
[18:04] <SA6BSS-Mike> China does it on 434
[18:04] <SA6BSS-Mike> indeed!
[18:04] <ly2en> china is know to do a lot of things including crazy
[18:04] <ly2en> :)
[18:05] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes but the do use the Metric in aviation where all other use feet, I dont know what to think , lol
[18:05] <ly2en> so if USA could put it to use on the 902-920 (i guess this is the right range for US)
[18:05] <SA6BSS-Mike> 915 920, dont know
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[18:06] <ly2en> so I will test if that at all works on 900 on some arbitrary frequency
[18:06] <ly2en> my own lora aprs is qrv as LY2EN-5 and the igate is LY2EN-4
[18:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> likley, I tested the sx1278 all the way up to 920 , worked fine even though the datasheet says max 520
[18:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> the 1276 is 1100Mhz something iirc
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[18:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> any other flights planed for the fall? or are you waiting for the spring?
[18:09] <ly2en> no I'm just so lazy
[18:09] <ly2en> spent half of the summer to deliver the APRS digipeater on the GSM tower
[18:09] <ly2en> now I can't solder the solar panels 0.5V each so just thinking to put up a 4.75V one for launch because the voltage drops naturally anyway
[18:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> secret of soldering solar cells is low temp 320°
[18:10] <ly2en> also tried to play with LDO but on existing pcb's it just adds extra wires on the top, so need to redesign the pcb for the ldo
[18:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> 4.75V? thinfilm solar?
[18:10] <ly2en> yeah
[18:11] <ly2en> the gps in action is quite a good voltage regulator :)
[18:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> they are VERY low curent, nothing like the polycristaline cells
[18:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> really needs a SC to work
[18:11] <ly2en> yep so it is almost never 4.75V
[18:12] <ly2en> except without load
[18:12] <ly2en> but hey I don't mind a supercap
[18:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> cant drive anything usefull with the test cells I bought
[18:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> :)
[18:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> or two in series as the dont like over voltage
[18:13] <SA6BSS-Mike> there was anew SC out, have not folloed closely but it could take iver 3V ?
[18:18] <ly2en> yeah I need to refresh myself on last couple of months
[18:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> :)
[18:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> better start soldering som e cells up :)
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[18:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> LeoBodnar: do you happen to have the link to the seller of the film?
[18:31] <LeoBodnar> not anymore, I tried to contact them again half a year ago and got no reply
[18:32] <LeoBodnar> I think they just had a single roll of that, when they sent a photo of their shop there were only aluminised roll everywhere and this one clear
[18:33] <LeoBodnar> no idea if it was a reject or work-in-progress
[18:33] <LeoBodnar> I am still looking for decent source of film
[18:33] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok, tnx!
[18:35] <LeoBodnar> tried made-in-china.com and it was even worse
[18:35] <SA6BSS-Mike> I sourced some film but it was EXPENSIVE!
[18:35] <LeoBodnar> all the people who advertise that they make "balloon film" said they don't make balloon film
[18:36] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://www.ddpackaging.com/ thos does
[18:37] <SA6BSS-Mike> but lets see, reading back the mails...
[18:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> 200m minimum order at 14$ m2
[18:38] <LeoBodnar> I also bought a roll of BOPET film and it was a totally useless
[18:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> no sealing pe layer?
[18:38] <LeoBodnar> it's hot sealed but very easy to tear
[18:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> aha, ok
[18:39] <LeoBodnar> it's like what you used to see on cigarette packaging
[18:40] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes, the bopet is the right film to get but not just one mix out there
[18:41] <SA6BSS-Mike> some going with https://www.windreiter-shop.com/
[18:41] <SA6BSS-Mike> and going to wach them and fly , will be interesting
[18:42] <SA6BSS-Mike> but I guess we are in for a couple of calm month now
[18:42] <SA6BSS-Mike> winter is comming
[18:47] <LeoBodnar> yeah :)
[19:02] <ly2en> https://twitter.com/kareiva/status/1448001029719699466
[19:04] <SA6BSS-Mike> thumbup
[19:05] <ly2en> lol it just works
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[19:36] <ly2en> tomorrow will try playing with the vaisala radiosonde and put some firmware onto it
[19:36] <ly2en> too heavy to re-launch, but will probably do some good as any other outdoor wx station
[19:37] <SA6BSS-Mike> thats fun :)
[19:37] <SA6BSS-Mike> most seems to use this https://github.com/mikaelnousiainen/RS41ng
[19:37] <SA6BSS-Mike> does 4fsk and aprs on 70cm
[19:37] <ly2en> https://github.com/darksidelemm/RS41FOX
[19:38] <ly2en> also can pretend to be a fox :)
[19:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> hehe
[19:38] <ly2en> but yeah, few options to choose from, https://github.com/df8oe/RS41HUP
[19:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> one of the habers oz1sky have one of those sondes with that beacon fw up and runing in DK
[19:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> 24 7 365
[19:39] <ly2en> we have a bunch of those sondes now collected in the radio club
[19:39] <ly2en> I guess I can count over 20 in total at least
[19:39] <ly2en> but it's just youngsters having fun collecting them at night in a dark forest somewhere in LY
[19:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 034FSKTEST after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4FSKTEST
[19:40] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes, its quite fun hunting for them
[19:40] <SA6BSS-Mike> you have a call?
[19:41] <ly2en> by call, you mean?
[19:41] <SA6BSS-Mike> for the 4fsk
[19:41] <SA6BSS-Mike> you have to apply for a call
[19:41] <ly2en> ah for that horus thing
[19:41] <SA6BSS-Mike> just ping VK5QI
[19:41] <ly2en> I'd stick to cw/aprs/rtty
[19:41] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok
[19:42] <ly2en> is this horus related to DMR in any way ?
[19:42] <ly2en> or supported by DMR radios ?
[19:42] <SA6BSS-Mike> no
[19:49] <VK5QI> ly2en: i'd highly recommend the 4FSK mode
[19:49] <VK5QI> its ridiculously robust
[19:49] <VK5QI> like, it's 2021. time to use a mode with some kind of forward error correction...
[19:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> 1930 want their rtty back :)
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[19:50] <VK5QI> yeah
[19:53] <ly2en> VK5QI: getting the USB TTL to work now and trying to build the firmware
[19:53] <ly2en> will get there.
[19:54] <VK5QI> but yeah, use the RS41ng firmware if you still want 70cm APRS (eeeeeeeeew)
[19:55] <SA6BSS-Mike> 70cm aprs is working in Europe, seens sevral SP flight that got tracke soley on aprs whn got out of 4fsk listeners
[19:55] <VK5QI> just needs more 4fsk listeners
[19:56] <VK5QI> its not exactly difficult to set up
[19:56] <SA6BSS-Mike> I told you to insert an option in the sonde_rx to listen for 4fsk :)
[19:57] <VK5QI> yeah thats difficult
[19:57] <SA6BSS-Mike> I guess, but it would be cool!
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[19:59] <SA6BSS-Mike> well, I guess if the fw is made for 95% for the pi it would not be to hard?, tune to 434,660 and listen for 90 sec evry say 15min?
[20:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> just brainstorming
[20:00] <VK5QI> SA6BSS-Mike: goes againt how auto_rx works though
[20:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> anyway, I think aprs, Lora and wspr is the big tracking options anyway,
[20:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DK0LG - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK0LG
[20:01] <VK5QI> LoRaWAN maybe... LoRa itself should GTFO the amateur radio bands
[20:01] <VK5QI> its closed and proprietary, it doesn't belong there
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[23:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB0URW-10 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB0URW-10
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[23:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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