[00:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[00:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE3KCL-21 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE3KCL-21
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[05:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SA6BSS-7 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SA6BSS-7
[05:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IT9GHK-3 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IT9GHK-3
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[07:26] <tjanos> Hi SQ6NEI, We changed mail with my friend.
[07:26] <tjanos> this problems/questions appeared to plan a possible visit at landing site:
[07:27] <tjanos> - you sent this last position:
[07:27] <tjanos> 48.1819 20.8775
[07:27] <tjanos> has it an altitude value, or is it a predicted landing point?
[07:27] <tjanos> - he decided to install a horusgui windows version on a lapotop, and try to use it at the field to get position.
[07:27] <tjanos> have you any practical tipps/tricks, to prepare such an excursion/hunting?
[07:27] <tjanos> To take attention to the balloon material, if it can find it. The question is, what happened to burst it. Before this event it was stable fliyng 2 hours on 10 km high...
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[07:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2FOU-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2FOU-11
[07:33] <SA6BSS-Mike> tjanos: what was the decent sped?
[07:33] <SA6BSS-Mike> speed
[07:38] <tjanos> its a good question
[07:39] <tjanos> on the ukhas map, on the Telemetryu graph we can see, lost the altitude
[07:40] <SA6BSS-Mike> clear skyes, no clouds?
[07:40] <tjanos> from 10 km to 6800 m approx some minutes
[07:40] <SA6BSS-Mike> that sounds like aburst
[07:41] <SA6BSS-Mike> balloon used?
[07:41] <tjanos> I dont kno, I was far away, more than 200 km
[07:41] <SA6BSS-Mike> what balloon did you use?
[07:41] <tjanos> maybe ask SP6NEI
[07:42] <SA6BSS-Mike> ah, it wasnt you relesed it
[07:42] <tjanos> it was his balloon, landing yesterday in north Hungary
[07:42] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok
[07:43] <tjanos> I try to force my friend, live not far from ther,e try to visit the landing site
[07:44] <PE2BZ> Small latex balloon
[07:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> so a regular latex burst then, they will happen randomly whn floating them
[07:47] <PE2BZ> Assuming no parachute, so either white or transparant remains of the balloon, which would not be that big.
[07:47] <tjanos> so, is it a frequent event with latex?
[07:47] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes
[07:48] <PE2BZ> SA6BSS-Mike, your tracker had some speed :-)
[07:48] <SA6BSS-Mike> its not that fast today, yesterday it was up to near 200kmh
[07:48] <SA6BSS-Mike> but it did make it to central Turkey within 24h
[07:49] <PE2BZ> but tjanos , if still transmitting and the expectation that it only travelled 400 m from the last fix given the high descent rate I would first go to the last spot and listen for the signal in 4fsk. If they don´t receive it could either be further away or even did break when landing.
[07:50] <PE2BZ> SA6BSS-Mike, diy balloon ?
[07:50] <SA6BSS-Mike> no, Grabo, satain White this time :)
[07:50] <PE2BZ> 4 gram payload ?
[07:50] <SA6BSS-Mike> 3.7
[07:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> all inclusive :)
[07:51] <PE2BZ> #how
[07:51] <PE2BZ> All inclusive to Turkey makes sense ;-)
[07:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> it does and even sounds good, lol
[07:53] <tjanos> Ben, thanks for your advise
[07:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> Ben, you know lora better then me, have you had time to look at the new fw that implements lora-wan
[07:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> ?
[07:53] <PE2BZ> Not yet Mike, but PC4L_hab was trying something this week
[07:54] <SA6BSS-Mike> I tried it on the 1278 and even though datasheet says 525Mhz it did fine tx at 868 and 920
[07:54] <SA6BSS-Mike> rr
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[08:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NOB8 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOB8
[08:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03098765_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=098765_chase
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[09:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M0XER-8 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0XER-8
[09:04] <LeoBodnar> https://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/SQ6NEI-4FSK#g/_vertical_rate,altitude
[09:05] <LeoBodnar> -12m/s at 3km https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/G2Zrn0DW/image.png
[09:05] <LeoBodnar> sounds like a payload freefall
[09:10] <LeoBodnar> -7m/s descent rate is more realistic
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[09:38] <tjanos> I realised now, how good trajectory predicted with Hysplit the real flying path of M0XER-8
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[10:03] <LeoBodnar> hysplit is ace
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[10:34] <malgar> Hello, I would like to track the KD2FOU-11. At the moment it is abouve southern France. I like in northern Italy. How to predict when it will be in my range? Could you help me?
[10:35] <malgar> btw: I don't remember the meaning of the green circle. 10° elevation I guess?
[10:35] <malgar> *I live in northern Italy (well, i like it too but it is another story)
[10:39] <VK5QI> malgar: 5 degrees
[10:40] <VK5QI> as for KD2FOU, it's probably transmitting on 20m or 30m WSPR
[10:41] <VK5QI> pressing the hysplit button on its pane in the table on the left gives some idea of where it may go
[10:58] <malgar> ah, I thought 434 MHz rtty
[10:58] <malgar> what kid of balloon is it? amateur?
[10:59] <VK5QI> no, pretty much all the long-duration floaters transmit on either APRS, or HF using WSPR
[10:59] <VK5QI> yes, its an amateur balloon
[11:00] <malgar> I'm reading about WSPR
[11:01] <malgar> I'm just searching something "easy" for me to return in the "business" :P
[11:01] <VK5QI> if its transmitting WSPR, it will be received by the WSPR network automatically, and then whoever launched the balloon will be running a script to scrape data from wsprnet and upload it to habitat
[11:01] <VK5QI> or to APRS
[11:04] <malgar> The best for me would be a classical latex balloon transmitting on 434 MHz rtty, easy for my yagi, sdr pen and dl fldigi
[11:05] <VK5QI> yes well, you can hope
[11:05] <VK5QI> not as many flying RTTY any more
[11:07] <malgar> what's the most used for beginners latex balloon project? is there a page on wiki.ukhas about the actual widespread systems?
[11:08] <malgar> I'm about ~7-8 years behind
[11:08] <VK5QI> a lot of beginner groups are using the pi-in-the-sky kits, whith transmit LoRa and RTTY, some use reprogrammed RS41s, which transmit RTTY, APRS, or 4FSK
[11:08] <VK5QI> in the US most still just ue APRS
[11:09] <VK5QI> anything on the map with a -11 or some other number on teh end is probably arriving via APRS
[11:09] <malgar> not arduino anymore?
[11:09] <VK5QI> anything with a -4FSK is using the horus 4FSK mode, everything else is possibly using LoRa or RTTY
[11:09] <VK5QI> arduino is an IDE, supporting many different platforms
[11:10] <malgar> sure
[11:10] <VK5QI> so sure, people might be using the arduino IDE, but targetting a custom board, or something else
[11:10] <malgar> ok
[11:10] <VK5QI> the -4FSK payloads are usually using reprogrammed RS41s
[11:10] <VK5QI> radiosondes
[11:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[11:14] <malgar> is dl-fldigi still useful?
[11:15] <VK5QI> for RTTY payloads, and some rarer payloads using other modes, sure
[11:15] <bertrik> there was some talk about it yesterday, it's getting a bit problematic to get it to compile
[11:16] <VK5QI> sure is
[11:16] <VK5QI> its basically abandoned
[11:18] <malgar> I remember a wonderful SSDV balloon I tracked. With the images slowly appearing line by line in front of my eyes
[11:18] <VK5QI> there are still many flights using SSDV, but a lot are via LoRa now
[11:20] <malgar> ok, I'm reading pages about it
[11:20] <malgar> If you want to suggest me something to keep me updated..
[11:20] <VK5QI> if you search for LoRa nowdays, really all you will find is information about LoRaWAN
[11:20] <malgar> something to read
[11:20] <VK5QI> which is a routing layer on top of the LoRa modulation
[11:20] <malgar> ok
[11:20] <VK5QI> the LoRa payloads i'm talking about do not use that routing
[11:21] <VK5QI> they just use the modulation and send raw packets containing either an ASCII string (just like what would be sent via RTTY), or a SSDV packet
[11:22] <VK5QI> as for resources on this... i'm not so sure. its all widely dispersed
[11:22] <VK5QI> daveake probably has some blog pages on the LoRa stuff
[11:23] <VK5QI> and its his 'ground station' code that most (all?) receiver stations are running
[11:33] <LeoBodnar> it would be nice to keep some narrow band modulation going on floaters still
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[11:33] <LeoBodnar> like RTTY, DominoEX, Contestia or even Hell
[11:35] <VK5QI> LeoBodnar: my 4FSK mode running at 50 baud would probably work well
[11:35] <VK5QI> easier for autonomous receivers to pick up anyway
[11:35] <LeoBodnar> is it Gaussian?
[11:36] <VK5QI> its whatever the hell you can generate
[11:36] <malgar> do I need a special chip for LoRa? Can't I receive and decode the signal using an sdr pen + pc?
[11:36] <VK5QI> malgar: hahaa now you hit the nail on the head with LoRa
[11:36] <VK5QI> there's no SDR demod thats worth a damn
[11:36] <LeoBodnar> it's a proprietary closed source product
[11:36] <VK5QI> gr-lora exists... but doesnt really work
[11:36] <LeoBodnar> I don't get this gravy train ride
[11:36] <LeoBodnar> but it's patented all over
[11:37] <LeoBodnar> I mean the whole IoT obsession with LoRa
[11:37] <VK5QI> i think it just comes down to supply of chips
[11:38] <VK5QI> like, sigfox exists, is basically just narrowband FSK and performs just as well
[11:38] <VK5QI> but it hasnt really had the uptake that lora has
[11:38] <LeoBodnar> Semtech has the nuclear button of LoRa ob CEO's desk
[11:38] <LeoBodnar> *on
[11:39] <VK5QI> LeoBodnar: anyway, the 4FSK demod is designed for non-gaussian-filtered FSK, but at 100 baud.... ehh
[11:39] <VK5QI> doesnt matter so much
[11:39] <LeoBodnar> it's like FLARM
[11:39] <VK5QI> FLARM is a travesty
[11:39] <VK5QI> the fact that a single manufacturers product is mandated in some countries is ridiculous
[11:40] <VK5QI> and that there is no open standard for that kind of close-range collision avoidance thing
[11:40] <VK5QI> its insane
[11:40] <LeoBodnar> ok VK5QI I just thought maybe decoder is fine-tuned for specific pulse-shaping
[11:41] <VK5QI> nah
[11:41] <VK5QI> the FSK demod is fairly generic, i use the same demodulator for radiosonde decoding, with the various combinations of GFSK and FSK that are out there
[11:41] <LeoBodnar> someone's ISM Arduino project is suddenly pushed by gov for enforced use in feel-good collision avoidance
[11:41] <VK5QI> it a non-coherent FSK demod, and performs to theory
[11:41] <LeoBodnar> ta
[11:41] <VK5QI> well, implementation loss is <0.5 db
[11:42] <VK5QI> references you would probably need are: https://github.com/projecthorus/horusbinary_radiolib and https://github.com/projecthorus/horusdemodlib/wiki/5-Customising-a-Horus-Binary-v2-Packet
[11:43] <LeoBodnar> saved for later, cheers
[11:47] <VK5QI> its probably not going to be as performant as contestia... but it also doesnt run at as slow a baud rate (or with such a slow coding rate)
[11:48] <VK5QI> but the benefit is the demod has excellent frequency estimation, so will lock on to a FSK signal in the passband reliably
[11:50] <malgar> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide you could update this. It's linked in the tracking.habhub page
[11:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL7AD-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL7AD-11
[11:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB0URW-10 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB0URW-10
[11:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PA3EIV - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PA3EIV
[12:00] <VK5QI> probably
[12:01] <VK5QI> for 4FSK there is https://github.com/projecthorus/horusdemodlib/wiki/1.1-Horus-GUI-Reception-Guide-(Windows-Linux-OSX)
[12:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N0MPM-13 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N0MPM-13
[12:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> malgar: if you want to rx balloons just rx the weather sondes going up near you every day a couple of times
[12:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> AND you can have the fun and go foxhunt them whn they land
[12:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> AND then reprogram them with 4fsk / RTTY
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[12:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> and then you can sens of a couple of balloons
[12:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> :)
[12:33] <malgar> SA6BSS-Mike, interesting. Never tried.
[12:33] <SA6BSS-Mike> where are you?
[12:33] <SA6BSS-Mike> have a look here you will see if they launch enything near you
[12:33] <SA6BSS-Mike> https://v2.sondehub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=4&qm=3_hours&mc=52.19319,4.88525
[12:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> they tx in the range 401-406
[12:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> Mhz
[12:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> any rtl sdr will work well
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[12:35] <SA6BSS-Mike> decoder for wind http://escursioni.altervista.org/Radiosonde/
[12:36] <SA6BSS-Mike> but whn you come along you will probably setup a pi or a ttgo board
[12:36] <SA6BSS-Mike> for auto rx in
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[12:42] <SA6BSS-Mike> lol malgar must have been overwhelmed with all the balloons in the air at this time (near) 12utc
[12:42] <VK5QI> SA6BSS-Mike: no need for the v2 aymore!
[12:42] <VK5QI> anymore*
[12:43] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok?
[12:43] <SA6BSS-Mike> better use this https://www.sondehub.org/
[12:43] <SA6BSS-Mike> ?
[12:43] <VK5QI> tracker.sondehub.org
[12:43] <VK5QI> or just sondehub.org
[12:43] <SA6BSS-Mike> rr
[12:43] <VK5QI> either works
[12:43] <SA6BSS-Mike> same upload credentials as v2?
[12:43] <VK5QI> eh?
[12:43] <VK5QI> upload credentials?
[12:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> api.v2.sondehub.org
[12:44] <VK5QI> oh thats all the same
[12:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok
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[12:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PA3EIV-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PA3EIV-12
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[13:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE3KCL-21 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE3KCL-21
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[15:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K5ENG-74 after 0314 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K5ENG-74
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[16:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DOSCO-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DOSCO-11
[16:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DG1YHR-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DG1YHR-11
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[17:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KJ7VPV-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ7VPV-11
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[17:51] <N4JSW> Hi SM0ULC, I put my Ruby WSPR decoder up on GitHub. https://github.com/jeremyfsu/hab-wspr-telemetry-decoder
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[19:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W5MAB-75 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5MAB-75
[19:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W5KUB-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5KUB-12
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[20:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ5RB - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ5RB
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[22:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03icspace26-hab-eu-863-870 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=icspace26-hab-eu-863-870
[23:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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