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[05:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03TTS30 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TTS30
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[07:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03IT9GHK-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IT9GHK-3
[07:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SA6BSS-7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SA6BSS-7
[08:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6QKM-4FSK after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6QKM-4FSK
[08:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M0XER-8 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0XER-8
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[08:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6QKM-12 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6QKM-12
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[09:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NOB8 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOB8
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[10:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SQ6NEI-4FSK after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ6NEI-4FSK
[10:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SQ6NEI-12 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ6NEI-12
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[10:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03TTS38 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TTS38
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[11:04] <tjanos> !dial SQ6NEI-4FSK
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> 03tjanos: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:05] <VK5QI> horus-gui doesnt report a frequency unfortunately
[11:06] <VK5QI> not to keen on trying to deal with rig interfaces in a cross-platform manner
[11:07] <tjanos> This polish balloon flying near us. I dont know the frequency.
[11:07] <VK5QI> !flights
[11:07] <SpacenearUS> 03VK5QI: Current flights: 03SP9UOB-P41 144.250 MHz CTSTIA32/2000 1 10(9d6d), 03TTS30 - Mrackovska Raketa 3090 10(c1a9), 03TTS38 - Trutovi rytiri 10(4b8e), 03Gaston-1 10(9d65), 03B-68 10(8487)
[11:07] <VK5QI> hrm
[11:07] <VK5QI> the polish seem to have a balloon going up every day!
[11:08] <VK5QI> sometimes the station receiving has their callsign indicating th efreq
[11:09] <VK5QI> not this case though :-(
[11:09] <VK5QI> thats no fun
[11:10] <VK5QI> SM0ULC-David: SA6BSS-Mike anyone have any ideas?
[11:10] <tjanos> I am in Budapest, and the SQ6NEI-4FSK about 100 km from here, on 5 km high
[11:11] <VK5QI> hrm
[11:11] <VK5QI> possibly 437.6 MHz?
[11:11] <VK5QI> dunno
[11:12] <VK5QI> yep i think its on 437.6 MHz
[11:12] <tjanos> ok, thanks I try it
[11:12] <VK5QI> so try tuning to 437.599 MHz USB
[11:13] <VK5QI> it may be many seconds between transmissions depending on how they have things set up
[11:15] <tjanos> arrived the first packet...
[11:15] <VK5QI> nice!
[11:15] <VK5QI> all decoding ok?
[11:16] <tjanos> It is very impressive! I have only a small gp antenna outside, and decoded 4 packet whitout error
[11:17] <VK5QI> :-)
[11:20] <tjanos> Thank you for this great software!
[11:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[11:24] <tjanos> sri, the balloon, I receive now is SP6QKM-4FSK
[11:25] <VK5QI> there's 2 in the air, unsure if they are on the same frequency
[11:26] <tjanos> Is is on 12 km high, and approx 80-90 km from here
[11:26] <VK5QI> that should be easily decodable for sure
[11:28] <dfgg> SA6BSS-Mike: gj, just received reports of flying your baloon near house of mine
[11:28] <dfgg> tjanos: these (NEI and QKM) baloons also transmit on 432,500 aprs too
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[11:30] <dfgg> VK5QI: yes, those gyus rly have started being crazy on launching sondes on near-daily basis
[11:30] <VK5QI> i think half the 4FSK payload ID list is taking up with polish stations lol
[11:30] <VK5QI> oh well, good testing for my software
[11:30] <VK5QI> im sure if they have issues i'll hear about it lol
[11:31] <dfgg> it becames ridiculous for now
[11:31] <dfgg> yes, but don't be surprised when half of these will never launch baloon anyway ,_,
[11:31] <VK5QI> yeah...
[11:31] <VK5QI> anyway, with teh v2 mode we go from 256 IDs to 65536
[11:32] <VK5QI> so ehh
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[11:32] <dfgg> lately I've started tests under mine payload id and soon will launch at least one
[11:32] <VK5QI> with the v2 IDs, i need to make some more automated way of reserving a payload ID
[11:33] <dfgg> and until then as anyway basically you are adding them to list - perhaps ask if requestor really wants to launch payload? ;)
[11:33] <VK5QI> yeah
[11:34] <VK5QI> though i'm not really going to start worrying about it until i hit 128 IDs
[11:34] <dfgg> as i've seen these guys who even don't know what they really are asking for
[11:34] <dfgg> well, i'm surprised too - last time i've checked, list was at ~30
[11:35] <VK5QI> i guess one way to deal with it would be for the IDs to have a time limit
[11:35] <dfgg> anyway, from what i've understood - horusv2 list is back-compatible with single-byte IDs?
[11:35] <VK5QI> single byte IDs are only for the shorter v1 mode
[11:35] <VK5QI> v2 mode must use the 2-byte IDs, else decoding of the sentence will fail
[11:35] <VK5QI> (i think)
[11:37] <dfgg> I think I'll have to sit on this and look closely during the weekend then
[11:38] <VK5QI> RS41HUP doesnt support the v2 mode yet
[11:38] <VK5QI> RS41ng does though
[11:38] <dfgg> also, rs41ng seems to be nice, but starts to not fit into F100, and from last patch adding v2 started to create issues during compilation
[11:38] <VK5QI> ahh interesting
[11:39] <dfgg> i've removed JTxx and SI5351 and got size down to ~31kB
[11:40] <dfgg> sry, 37
[11:40] <dfgg> -rwxr-xr-x 1 damian damian 38024 Sep 20 20:51 RS41ng.bin
[11:40] <VK5QI> whats the limit?
[11:40] <VK5QI> 64k?
[11:40] <dfgg> 64k for F100-103
[11:41] <VK5QI> mmk
[11:41] <VK5QI> well, i'e now got example code for generating the 4FSK mode on some other platforms
[11:41] <VK5QI> so hopefully we'll see more than just reprogrammed RS41s
[11:41] <dfgg> but irl, some of those chips have been reported to have 128k
[11:42] <VK5QI> huh
[11:42] <dfgg> i'm dreaming of RFMxx+msp430 payload
[11:42] <VK5QI> very low power
[11:43] <dfgg> https://hackaday.com/2020/10/22/stm32-clones-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/
[11:43] <dfgg> ...or just counterfeit clones
[11:43] <dfgg> aaaaanyway, even legit F10x are fun
[11:44] <VK5QI> sucks the RS41 has a ublox 6
[11:44] <VK5QI> the newer ublox chips use way less power
[11:44] <VK5QI> here's hoping vaisala does a refresh
[11:44] <bertrik> funny that some of the clones fix the errata of the original :)
[11:45] <dfgg> i think they could start preparing for that "right now" and release in 5-7yrs as it was with rs92-41 transition
[11:45] <dfgg> ^ if you look on gruan website and check for sounding records
[11:45] <VK5QI> heh
[11:45] <bertrik> i think that nrf24l01+ clones had the problem that the clones followed the datasheet, which had an error in them
[11:46] <VK5QI> we have spotted sonde reporting a subtype of RS41-NG before
[11:46] <VK5QI> still unsure what they were
[11:46] <bertrik> we had a lot of fun with those nrf24l01+ before esp8266 came along
[11:49] <dfgg> too pity that during spring i was literally 2-3 mins late on field to catch MRZ-N1 ,_,
[11:49] <dfgg> would be good help for rs1729
[11:50] <VK5QI> yeah
[11:54] <dfgg> https://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers-microprocessors/stm32f100-value-line.html
[11:54] <dfgg> got it - C6 / CB type confusion
[11:56] <dfgg> https://hackaday.com/2016/08/14/hackaday-prize-entry-a-cheap-stm32-dev-board/#comment-3135242
[11:58] <dfgg> and RS41 stm reads 32F100C8T6B
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[12:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB0URW-10 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB0URW-10
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[13:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03098765_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=098765_chase
[13:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N0MPM-13 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N0MPM-13
[13:39] <Prutz> anyone hacked away the Ublox GPS receiver from a sonde?
[13:47] <PE2BZ> Yes
[13:48] <PE2BZ> https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21AJdgxJErRux%2D%5Fkk&cid=0C2053F184163AFF&id=C2053F184163AFF%214749&parId=C2053F184163AFF%21134&o=OneUp
[13:48] <PE2BZ> Some one SA6BSS-Mike will recognize this :-)
[13:59] <Prutz> I cut a big piece of the PCB but couldn't retrieve the GPS data.
[13:59] <Prutz> I did gave the required point 3Volts.. but nope ;)
[14:02] <dfgg> Prutz: pity i do not have my cutout with me rn, it's possible to connect with standard ttl-uart to ublox chip and get it working as gps receiver
[14:02] <Prutz> Then I picked another RS41 and probed the GPS chip. And I got text but unreadable.. found out the mcu is giving the Ublox some commands to change the protocol. Cutted the trace and started up again. And got NMEA showing up!
[14:02] <dfgg> well, i've cut mine board on upper battery-cage cutouts
[14:03] <dfgg> removed HC switchregisters and left only gps, gand gps-accessories ;)
[14:03] <Prutz> So was wondering what I did wrong with the first one ;)
[14:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TTS31 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TTS31
[14:04] <dfgg> or just remove stm from board first? .-.
[14:06] <Prutz> that does take a lot of efford? I don't have tools to do that
[14:07] <LeoBodnar> what envelope the Polish balloons are using?
[14:07] <dfgg> LeoBodnar: I've asked Piotr NEI about that
[14:08] <LeoBodnar> they float at about 12.5-13km
[14:08] <dfgg> but from what I've heard lately - they're testing multiple types of baloons, and also at least one sonde was released with batteries replaced to solar panels
[14:10] <dfgg> Piotr is now driving car, but said that during summer they've used foil baloons, and now due to lower temperature and less sun - "classy condoms" - so, standard latex baloons
[14:11] <dfgg> i'll ask him for brands and weights when he'll arrive where he's heading
[14:12] <LeoBodnar> they had a bunch of balloons (4-5?) day before yesterday going over Italy and they had pretty impressive stable float
[14:12] <LeoBodnar> I did not expect it from latex
[14:13] <dfgg> if you calculate lift/weight ratio properly you can reach floater state easily
[14:14] <dfgg> it happens also with day-to-day soundings occasionally like lindenberg one reaching easily latvia or ukraine but due to lack of power and receivers in thos regions no furter observations were possible
[14:15] <LeoBodnar> but they tend to sag with the sunset and rise during sunrise (and then pop)
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[14:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL7AD-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL7AD-11
[14:17] <LeoBodnar> they have probably perfected llatex floaters :D
[14:17] <dfgg> ah yes, this happened few times with polish baloons too - guys were going few kilometers and taking still intact baloon from tree and releasing once again
[14:18] <dfgg> if you'd do thi over and over like them you'll perfect this too
[14:18] <dfgg> err, master it
[14:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KO4DTP-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KO4DTP-1
[14:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SSTAR0456 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SSTAR0456
[14:41] Action: Prutz PE2BZ thanksfor the link! Followed it and works perfect!
[14:46] <PE2BZ> Prutz, yw
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[15:01] <Prutz> especially the green arrow and red trick helped me. Was thinking way to hard with all lose wires :D
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[15:31] <Prutz> And cutting board to small isnt good idea either....
[15:32] <Prutz> didn't see it before but there seems to be an antenna on the sides of the boards
[15:32] <Prutz> :/
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[16:34] <SQ6NEI> elo
[16:38] <LeoBodnar> hi
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[16:40] <LeoBodnar> was SQ6NEI-12 two days ago a small latex floater?
[16:40] <LeoBodnar> I am curious about the size
[16:40] <SQ6NEI> Hello someone from Hungary ?
[16:42] <SQ6NEI> yes latex so the latex has disappeared somewhere near Italy
[16:43] <SQ6NEI> Baby balloon
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[16:45] <SQ6NEI> Hello someone from Hungary ?
[17:08] <tjanos> Hello, I am Janos, from Budapest
[17:10] <SQ6NEI> elo Janos
[17:10] <SQ6NEI> my probe landed in hungary, are you far from it?
[17:10] <tjanos> (hg5apz)
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[17:11] <SQ6NEI> It should broadcast for 2 days
[17:13] <tjanos> Yes, I am far from the landig places ofyour ballon. Is is near <Miskolc, the second bigest tawn here
[17:13] <SQ6NEI> 437.600 4fsk and 432.500
[17:13] <tjanos> town
[17:14] <tjanos> We have colsed forum mainly from amateur members dealing with sattellite tracking.
[17:14] <tjanos> I can ask them try to hunting.
[17:15] <tjanos> But the problem is, there isnot (too much) 4fsk decoder, and its mobile version
[17:16] <SQ6NEI> ok It is also Apr 432,500
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[17:17] <tjanos> the last position of your balloon at my log is 48.38842 20.60177 maybe there are more closed positoon...
[17:18] <SQ6NEI> If they wanted to, I only ask for pictures of the find inside there is a card with a description
[17:20] <SQ6NEI> 48.21956 20,8195
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[17:22] <SQ6NEI> It was descending quickly, a maximum of 300-400 m from the static position to the south
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[17:26] <tjanos> I will try to ask somebody with this info
[17:26] <LeoBodnar> landing predictor is quite good
[17:27] <Matt|home> so i made a really impulse purchase today. i bought a model rocket :D
[17:27] <SQ6NEI> thx janos
[17:38] <LeoBodnar> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/4YDdIwci/SQ6NEI.jpeg
[17:38] <LeoBodnar> the landing predictor is quite good
[17:42] <SQ6NEI> no
[17:43] <SQ6NEI> Latitude: 48.1819
[17:43] <SQ6NEI> Longitude: 20.8775 Because the lowest frame is decoded. Latitude: 48.1819
[17:43] <SQ6NEI> Longtitude: 20.8775 I will be good
[17:46] <Matt|home> 600 ish feet is about how high for reference
[17:46] <Matt|home> like ..
[17:47] <Matt|home> sigh let's see, so 100 six foot tall people stacked on top of each other
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[17:52] <tjanos> It seems me, the distance between the two position is approx 6 km...
[17:53] <tjanos> Need a handy tool, to record the last position on the ground. As we use to find the rs41-ss
[17:55] <tjanos> By the way, I sent a notes to my friend, live around 75 km far from this position. Hope he will replay.
[18:00] <SQ6NEI> super
[18:03] <SQ6NEI> sdr hours and a laptop are enough to decode the 4fsk signal.
[18:03] <SQ6NEI> And to decode aprs any radio with a built-in Aprs option
[18:05] <SQ6NEI> if you have any questions, please write to the email aniolg@wp.pl
[18:05] <SQ6NEI> thx
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[18:10] <tjanos> Ok, hope, we can help
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[18:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HA1PP-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HA1PP-12
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[18:57] <dfgg> SQ6NEI: hi, looks you've got there safely :)
[19:25] <SQ6NEI> yes
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[22:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB3ZOW-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB3ZOW-12
[22:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB3ZOW-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB3ZOW-11
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