highaltitude.log.20210723

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[01:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03labjg_Chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=labjg_Chase
[01:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BEER after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BEER
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[02:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DG4NOB-11 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DG4NOB-11
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[04:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PA1SDB-4FSK after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PA1SDB-4FSK
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[05:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03cagiva after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=cagiva
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[05:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K4UAH-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K4UAH-6
[05:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS38 after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS38
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[06:49] <Suterusu> Probably been traumatised with this already, but what's folks in 'ere thinking about that new jumped-up 'helium'?
[06:49] <Suterusu> I'm talking the novel crypto-concept where it uses subscription based LoRaWAN access for 'IoT' scale data to back crypto being churned out by 'mining routers' on the edge as they cryptographically record 'proof-of-coverage' into a blockchain .... not the gas.
[06:50] <Suterusu> I mean, is that the sorta thing, should it proliferate to a noteable coverage, that'd be ideal fo hooking balloon floats thru? The built-in cell geotagging could make payloads slightly lighter by lacking GPS for example
[06:57] <bertrik> Suterusu: I know a lot about LoRaWAN/TheThingsNetwork, unfortunately not so much about Helium
[06:57] <bertrik> indeed it sounds interesting
[06:57] <bertrik> they both have the same underlying technology I think, but a completely different 'marketing approach'
[06:58] <bertrik> I think it tries to compete directly with TheThingsNetwork, calling themselves 'the people network'
[06:59] <Suterusu> Was thinking was folks in 'ere what play wit LoRaWAN ... Probably got hardware kicking about they aint using .... If no-one playing with it already, they likely soon will be ... all the 'mining routers' seem sold out but the one I've seen all appear to be suttin like a Rpi4 (2GB model seems popular) or a Rpi Compute .... so basement builds is gonna be errywhere
[06:59] <bertrik> coverage for TheThingsNetwork is basically driven by enthusiasts who like to see the technology succeed
[06:59] <bertrik> while to me it looks like Helium is drive more by people looking to make money
[07:00] <Suterusu> Not looked at it deep, mind, but I suspect you gets the bets 'proof-of-coverage' payout where there's less competition on that block ... so that'll encourage people to clip some solar panels to a charge controller, some batteries, and start hijacking lamposts in the middle of nowhere
[07:00] <bertrik> people have been caught cheating already, not providing coverage, faking it to make money
[07:00] <Suterusu> *best
[07:02] <bertrik> The gateways have come down a bit in price lately
[07:03] <Suterusu> I've wanted a 'wide area' service, for low b/w data quite a few times. Far wider than I can reasonably encompass. Not enough to pay £15/month on a SIM for it mind, so methinks if they can blat out a subscription cheap enough it'd deffo sell .... assuming the coverage can lay down to make a subscription worthwhile
[07:03] <bertrik> Personally I think I'll stick to TheThingsNetwork, I think it's a better match for the stuff I do, which is citizen science data collection
[07:05] <Suterusu> I've yet to move my data thru any 'cloud' - aint no p2p meshes for IoT nowhere near me ... Far too rural
[07:08] <bertrik> some citizen science communities in the netherlands have been able to strike a nice deal with local government, they measure cool stuff (like airborne particulate matter) using a bunch of sensors and the municipality provides the LoRaWAN network, paying for the gateways and installation
[07:09] <bertrik> Suterusu: I've written a forwarder for picking up high altitude balloon telemetry from TheThingsNetwork to the habhub tracker
[07:11] <Suterusu> Bonus
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[07:23] <Suterusu> Been lookin around that ThingsNetwork .... Stopped at they 'wisely' device .... "All inclusive - even the Internet" I'm absolutely astounded. How did they fit the internet into such a small box?
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[07:25] <bertrik> LoRaWAN is very asymmetric, you can transmit a rather small amount of information and the network can send an even smaller amount of data back, it's not very similar to the internet
[07:28] <Suterusu> Yeah... I'm kinda taking the piss. n I wager the total volume either way is somewhat equal ... it's just time. Was mildly confuddled if there was much mesh action going on, a lotta the devices I was lookin at was talking IP, 4G/LTE backhaul ... did wonder how optional that was.
[07:30] <Suterusu> Ticking a lotta boxes for me, for a few things. Iunno if there's ever gonna be enough folks in these parts what'd deploy enough for some 'roam anywhere' coverages ... but deffo a few more localised things can work. Stack that in the list of techs I'll one day get around to buying, and never actually get around to playing with
[07:53] <bertrik> I have an indoor gateway, cost about E100,-
[07:53] <bertrik> might be able to hack it so it has an external antenna
[07:53] <bertrik> but the gateway itself is still indoor rated, no ingress protection except maybe dust
[07:55] <bertrik> LoRaWAN is basically a star network, one gateway handles the nodes in range, then forwards it to a single network server/cluster over the internet, there's a cluster per region (eu, us, etc) roughly
[07:55] <bertrik> there is no meshing between gateways or between nodes
[07:55] <bertrik> a package can be received by multiple gateways, the backend does deduplication
[07:56] <bertrik> out the other end, you just get a single message, along with a list of gateways that received it and at what RSSI/SNR
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[08:08] <Suterusu> I'd need many ... an indoor, a ½ decen outdoor at bottom o t'garden. Multiple to solar up against lamposts, signposts etc ...
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[08:10] <Suterusu> So I'll still need to worry about ferrying intelliwebs to the bottom of the garden, as well as various locations - unable to to string devices out and hop between 'em to the gateway? pisses on my bonfire for a lot of things ... Could still get an outdoor unit, but it'd make more sense to has it closer to the house ... and 'remote deployment' becomes more difficult again
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[08:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03EVA1 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EVA1
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[10:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03n8-1 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=n8-1
[11:06] <bertrik> a gateway has several km range, if you can put it up high on a house that's better than downrange in a low location
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[11:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[11:21] <Suterusu> Yur, I see. I'm about 250m above sea level ... but there's other things disturbing line of sight even mounted upper building ... I'd guestimate 2km or less. Good enough fo a range of things. But not totally 'roaming'
[11:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5QI-TEST_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5QI-TEST_chase
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[12:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SV3IRG-4FSK after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SV3IRG-4FSK
[13:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4KGL-11 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4KGL-11
[14:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL0TTM-8 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL0TTM-8
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[16:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2FOU-11 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2FOU-11
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[17:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W8VPV-1 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W8VPV-1
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[17:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NL13974 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NL13974
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[19:01] <MikeTango> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fw0qkmgr38jrhmn/IMG_3962.JPG?dl=0
[19:01] <MikeTango> \o/
[19:01] <MikeTango> whip antenna
[19:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03FLEXTRAK after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=FLEXTRAK
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[19:05] <PE2BZ> MikeTango, 677 km ? WoW !
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[19:08] <MikeTango> yea
[19:09] <MikeTango> TTGO, Uputronics preamp and whip ziptied to the helideck of a wind turbine
[19:09] <SA6BSS-Mike> where are you North Sea?
[19:09] <MikeTango> yeah
[19:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> , where where this 41 released from?
[19:10] <MikeTango> Stuttgart ^^
[19:10] <MikeTango> https://map.openseamap.org/?zoom=13&lat=54.50627&lon=6.35923&mlat=54.51157&mlon=6.36761&layers=BFTFFFFFFTF0FFFFFFFFTF
[19:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> aha, cool!! :)
[19:11] <MikeTango> first try
[19:12] <MikeTango> i am having trouble with the wifi and the timers
[19:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, I also had my first tryout of the ttgo rs41 upload this morning
[19:12] <MikeTango> i set the ttgo to change frequencies every 5 seconds
[19:12] <MikeTango> https://github.com/dl9rdz/rdz_ttgo_sonde/issues/33
[19:12] <MikeTango> and /RDZ_FSK/data/screens.txt contains an explanation
[19:13] <MikeTango> but it keeps switching as soon as it gets to the frequency page
[19:14] <MikeTango> The documentation says the timer is in milliseconds, not seconds, so (if my memory was wrong and the configuration right), instead of "5" in the example above you should use "5000"....
[19:14] <MikeTango> D'OH
[19:14] <MikeTango> thank you for rubber duck debugging.
[19:20] <SA6BSS-Mike> hehe, yeah, 5000 should do it :)
[19:27] <MikeTango> and suddenly the wifi is working because the ttgo isn't busy channelhopping at warp nine
[19:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> lol
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[20:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD0AWK-15 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0AWK-15
[20:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS38 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS38
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[23:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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