highaltitude.log.20210713

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[01:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W8VPV-1 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W8VPV-1
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[08:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO4AS-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO4AS-12
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[09:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TTS10 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TTS10
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[10:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SITS-JS4 after 0319 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITS-JS4
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[11:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[12:30] <MikeTango> hi
[12:30] <MikeTango> how can i remove my MT_test receiver from the map?
[12:30] <VK5QI> wait
[12:31] <MikeTango> that's easy.
[12:31] <VK5QI> stations are only shown for about a day
[12:31] <VK5QI> maybe 3, i cant remember
[12:31] <MikeTango> also, has anyone thought about sanitizing these inputs
[12:31] <MikeTango> i mean, i could theroretically spam the whole map with fake receivers
[12:32] <MikeTango> there is no validation whatsoever
[12:32] <VK5QI> what kind of validation would you suggest?
[12:33] <VK5QI> its kind of a hard one to police
[12:33] <MikeTango> an API key that you only get when asking nicely?
[12:33] <VK5QI> kind of difficult for new people to set up a receier then
[12:33] <VK5QI> receiver*
[12:33] <MikeTango> why
[12:33] <MikeTango> email iwantakey@sondehub.org
[12:33] <VK5QI> more hoops to jump through, someone has to deal with the api key etc
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[12:34] <VK5QI> and, well, they coudl get an api key and then spam stuff
[12:34] <VK5QI> i guess we could rate limit how often station positions can be uploaded, that would be simple enough
[12:34] <VK5QI> then someone could spam the map very very slowly over many days
[12:34] <MikeTango> i think the TTGO already limits itself to 60mins
[12:34] <VK5QI> hell, if we rate limited station position uploads to 3 hours or something that would be cine
[12:35] <VK5QI> auto_rx only uploads station data every 6 hours
[12:35] <MikeTango> i tried setting the "chase car" option earlier, that did not work at all
[12:35] <VK5QI> probably isnt working on the ttgo properly
[12:36] <MikeTango> no idea and i didn't have my laptop with me so i couldn't readout the debug
[12:36] <VK5QI> all thats required is to add a 'chase':true field to the uploaded blob and you appear as a chase car, not a station
[12:36] <MikeTango> i drove past the launch site and had the TTGO on my dashboard
[12:37] <MikeTango> ok, does that mean that i have to set both values
[12:37] <VK5QI> on the ttgo? no idea
[12:37] <VK5QI> not my code
[12:38] <VK5QI> anyway, tbh with the map spamming, if it happens its not difficult for us to dump the stations table and start blocking people
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[12:39] <VK5QI> going to the lengths of api keys and such is a lot of owrk
[12:40] <MikeTango> yea
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[12:40] <VK5QI> theres something like 400 auto_rx users now, and we havent had issues yet
[12:40] <MikeTango> i don't think that anyone would do that
[12:40] <MikeTango> the whole spam thing
[12:40] <VK5QI> the occasional silly chase car names around Darwin, but Northern Territory people are weird
[12:40] <MikeTango> hey
[12:40] <MikeTango> my Chase car name is Bangbus
[12:41] <VK5QI> > _ >
[12:41] <MikeTango> because the bus starts moving after the balloon goes bang, what are you thinking
[12:41] <VK5QI> < _ <
[12:41] <VK5QI> i'd hope the bus is moving before the balloon goes bang tbh
[12:42] <MikeTango> rarely
[12:42] <MikeTango> because everything beyond the 45min radius is wasted fuel
[12:43] <MikeTango> the chasemapper is a highly efficient tool
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[12:45] <VK5QI> MikeTango: it was designed specifically for balloon chasing :-)
[12:46] <VK5QI> .... and then I added direction finding stuff to it because I could
[12:46] <VK5QI> still working on improving that part, but its usable
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[12:51] <MikeTango> direction finding as in "routing"?
[12:51] <VK5QI> no, as in plotting bearings
[12:52] <MikeTango> ah
[12:52] <MikeTango> that's quite some math
[12:52] <VK5QI> not really
[12:52] <MikeTango> i looked at it in the TTGO code
[12:52] <VK5QI> projecting a line is just some sines and cosines :-)
[12:56] <MikeTango> speaking of
[12:56] <VK5QI> https://twitter.com/vk5qi/status/1414074862432251906
[12:56] <MikeTango> i notices that the ttgo measures distance as distance over ground to the point the sonde is above
[12:56] <VK5QI> this is the kind of bearing plotting im talking about
[12:56] <MikeTango> the chasemapper measures distance as direct distance to the sonde
[12:56] <VK5QI> yup
[12:56] <VK5QI> that's intentional on chasemappers part
[12:57] <VK5QI> no idea why ttgo is doign the ground track distance
[12:57] <MikeTango> because i don't want to jump 25km high?
[12:57] <MikeTango> i mean, ground track makes much more sense when chasing something that will end up on the ground
[12:58] <VK5QI> i mean, once the balloon is near the ground it will be a ground track distance
[12:58] <VK5QI> or close to
[12:59] <VK5QI> when its in the air the direct range is useful from the point of view of radio path
[12:59] <MikeTango> well, we always do have the sonde's height
[13:00] <VK5QI> sure but im not going that calculation in my head
[13:00] <VK5QI> and tbh knowing that the sonde is 1km in front of you and 25km up isnt really all that useful
[13:00] <VK5QI> knowing the range to the *predicted* landing spot is probably useful
[13:00] <MikeTango> oh, that would be an awesome feature
[13:00] <VK5QI> i have looked into adding some kind of routing thing
[13:01] <VK5QI> but ugh
[13:01] <MikeTango> click the predicted landing spot, get geo://
[13:01] <VK5QI> hrm
[13:01] <VK5QI> i thought i added somethign like that
[13:01] <VK5QI> maybe not
[13:01] <MikeTango> i think there's a popup when the sonde is on the ground
[13:01] <MikeTango> but not when it's still in the air
[13:02] <MikeTango> but i could be a)wrong or b) several software versions behind
[13:02] <VK5QI> oh
[13:02] <VK5QI> when you click the landing marker it copies the lat lon to clipboard
[13:03] <VK5QI> unsure if that works on mobile
[13:03] <MikeTango> ok, geo:// would be nice when on the move
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[13:03] <VK5QI> well its geo for android i think, something else for apple
[13:03] <VK5QI> and what woudl be better is directions within chasemapper itself, but thats difficult
[13:03] <MikeTango> i'm literally using my tablet for osmand~, termux and fennec
[13:04] <VK5QI> the other issue is the prediction changes all the time
[13:04] <MikeTango> doesn't matter for a rough guesstimate
[13:04] <MikeTango> that's why i'd love that link, because then i could choose when to update my routing
[13:04] <VK5QI> i mean, it can be bad if the first prediction leads you to somewhere in the middle of nowhere and you have to drive back and forth or whatever
[13:05] <MikeTango> i found the predictions to be insanely accurate
[13:05] <VK5QI> ehhhhh
[13:05] <VK5QI> depends
[13:05] <MikeTango> as in ~5*5km square as soon as the balloon pops, on average
[13:05] <VK5QI> oh
[13:05] <VK5QI> yeah thats about right
[13:05] <MikeTango> it will always fall short
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[13:06] <MikeTango> because the last ~200m of air are not in the model and the ground drag is noticeable
[13:06] <VK5QI> anyhoo, predicted landing geo link could probably be added into the popup box you get when you tap on the sonde serial in the table
[13:06] <MikeTango> which means i position myself under the path and then adjust towards the sonde
[13:07] <MikeTango> (terrain features nonwithstanding)
[13:07] <MikeTango> i have a high quota on "spot sonde in ~500m height" recoveries
[13:08] <MikeTango> and recently i could have made an aerial observation of the landing with the quad, but the quad ofc went on strike
[13:08] <VK5QI> well i going to bed
[13:08] <VK5QI> its late here
[13:08] <MikeTango> i'm on CEST
[13:09] <MikeTango> night
[13:09] <MikeTango> and thanks for the awesome software
[13:10] <VK5QI> +9.5 here. gnight
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[13:51] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE3OCL-20 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE3OCL-20
[13:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE3KCL-13 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE3KCL-13
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[14:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K4UAH-15 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K4UAH-15
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[15:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DH3SUP-4FSK - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DH3SUP-4FSK
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[16:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K4UAH-6 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K4UAH-6
[16:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE3KCL-21 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE3KCL-21
[16:44] <ly2en_> anyone been successful in LoRa-APRS ?
[16:44] Nick change: ly2en_ -> ly2en
[16:44] <ly2en> i'm trying out various codebases for t-beam to a moderate success
[16:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE3OCL-19 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE3OCL-19
[16:48] <SA6BSS-Mike1> ly2en: found this today, aprs from a Lora module https://github.com/DO4AS/jufo-project-radiosonde
[16:49] <SA6BSS-Mike1> it flying right now
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[17:02] <ly2en> that's cool
[17:03] <ly2en> https://github.com/lora-aprs/LoRa_APRS_Tracker/ - freezes the t-beam just before the GPS setup code
[17:04] <ly2en> https://github.com/oe3cjb/TTGO-T-Beam-LoRa-APRS - kind of works, with weird suggestions to add spaces in the callsign
[17:05] <bertrik> I could check that code with cppcheck for weird errors
[17:06] <bertrik> looks OK
[17:09] <ly2en> yeah with kids running around, I was not able to dig deeper
[17:10] <ly2en> maybe in few hours if I will not die from the 35C outside
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[17:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W4SDR-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W4SDR-11
[17:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K7IRK-7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K7IRK-7
[17:44] <SA6BSS-Mike1> its gona be hot here as well, thinking to take the kids sleeping on the porch if its clear so we can watch stars and satellites :) not going under 18 during the night they say
[17:47] <PE2BZ> That is a nice way to turn the problem in something nice. 2 years ago with 35 degrees daytime we did the same with holiday friends. I can advice to use an app on the phone to name the star signs. The stars are visible through the camera and the GPS wil find the star sign they belong to and show the name and details
[17:49] <PE2BZ> I used Sky View Lite (or Free)
[17:49] <SA6BSS-Mike1> tnx! will do :)
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[18:03] <ly2en> I actually have a quite nice ISS views during these days
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[18:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NOB8 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOB8
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[18:22] <PE2BZ> Hard to find those nights with no lights. Living in a flower grow area we have our own green blue and purple Northern Ligths :-( First time I saw the milky way with the naked eye was 30 years ago at my parents in law, who lived near a dark wood. 2 years later the road in front got street lights. To bad....
[18:23] <PE2BZ> Might have saved a few from driving into the canal in front of the house however :-)
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[19:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K4PRM-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K4PRM-3
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[20:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM4ZIA-4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM4ZIA-4
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[21:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KG7KYW-2 after 0310 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG7KYW-2
[21:41] Nick change: snakedGT -> snaked
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