[00:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K4UAH-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K4UAH-6
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[04:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W8VPV-1 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W8VPV-1
[04:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W5KUB-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5KUB-9
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[05:51] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BZ4a after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BZ4a
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[07:54] <VK5QI> rgp: i updated the freenode link on the tracker to point to libera
[07:54] <VK5QI> but i just edited the index.html, which is configured, so it'll need to be changed there too...
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[09:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MARS2021 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MARS2021
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[09:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03n8-1 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=n8-1
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[10:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AURA-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AURA-3
[10:36] <PE2BZ> !flights
[10:36] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03MARS2021 10(61c2), 03SP5NVX RTTY APRS 2m 10(3906), 03SP6NVX RTTY APRS 2m 10(72a6)
[10:36] <PE2BZ> !dial 61c2
[10:36] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03MARS2021 Flight 10(61c2): none
[11:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SITS-JS4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITS-JS4
[11:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[12:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03EVA1 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EVA1
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[12:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE3KCL-13 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE3KCL-13
[12:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE3OCL-19 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE3OCL-19
[12:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE3KCL-21 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE3KCL-21
[12:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KI6RC-1 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KI6RC-1
[12:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SITS-JS0 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITS-JS0
[12:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE3OCL-20 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE3OCL-20
[12:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KI5JSU-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KI5JSU-11
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[15:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0AWK-7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0AWK-7
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[16:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2VGT-2 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2VGT-2
[16:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DB9SK-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DB9SK-1
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[17:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IDA-4FSK after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IDA-4FSK
[17:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6QKM-4FSK after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6QKM-4FSK
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[18:07] <qyx> o/
[18:09] <fsphil> ~o~
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[18:27] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SQ3XBD-4FSK after 0310 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ3XBD-4FSK
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[18:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SQ6NEI-4FSK after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ6NEI-4FSK
[19:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ICT6 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ICT6
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[19:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP6NVX - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVX
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[19:31] <SendTelemSatPhon> do somebody know ?
[19:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> why do you want to send telemetry via satphone again?
[19:36] <SendTelemSatPhon> why again ?
[19:36] <SendTelemSatPhon> i just try one time per half day
[19:36] <SendTelemSatPhon> and answer for you : i just wanna do it by sats
[19:36] <SA6BSS-Mike> rr
[19:36] <SendTelemSatPhon> i like chalange
[19:37] <SendTelemSatPhon> in my country telemetric card in arduino use 12 years childrens
[19:37] <SendTelemSatPhon> or younger
[19:38] <SendTelemSatPhon> called telemetrix
[19:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP6NVX-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVX-12
[19:40] <SendTelemSatPhon> sats working more from 80's, starts from 60's just neeed to make connection with habhub
[19:40] <SendTelemSatPhon> maybe i will be first
[19:42] <SA6BSS-Mike> You saw the link I posted a coupleo f days ago usuing Iridium Beacon
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[19:42] <SendTelemSatPhon> i saw
[19:42] <SendTelemSatPhon> but i didnt saw he connect to habhub by sat
[19:42] <SA6BSS-Mike> he did
[19:42] <SA6BSS-Mike> they did
[19:42] <SendTelemSatPhon> u sory man
[19:43] <SendTelemSatPhon> i
[19:43] <SendTelemSatPhon> they dont tell how
[19:43] <SendTelemSatPhon> which program or script
[19:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> also Sven DL7AD also sent telemttry via Oscar-100 (Eshail-2) a couple of mont ago using Contestia
[19:44] <SendTelemSatPhon> device is fine
[19:46] <SA6BSS-Mike> https://mobile.twitter.com/philcrump2/status/1293093337801555969
[19:46] <SendTelemSatPhon> i watch
[19:46] <SendTelemSatPhon> ing
[19:47] <SA6BSS-Mike> sorry, he used Olivia 2/125
[19:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> https://github.com/PaulZC/Iridium_9603_Beacon
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[19:59] <SendTelemSatPhon> you are right
[19:59] <SendTelemSatPhon> then done it
[19:59] <SendTelemSatPhon> they
[20:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> I think they used some script to pipe the data to aprs, then it will be auto imported to habhub, mus be a nr of scrips out there
[20:02] <SendTelemSatPhon> yes i also wanted write it
[20:02] <SendTelemSatPhon> they dont use ONLY sats
[20:03] <SendTelemSatPhon> but still is now thing here
[20:03] <SendTelemSatPhon> new
[20:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> I thing they used regular aprs om 2m as well when it was over poplutaed areas
[20:05] <SendTelemSatPhon> yes
[20:05] <SendTelemSatPhon> interesting is also spacenear.us version sats
[20:05] <SendTelemSatPhon> how they import dates on that site from iss and hubble
[20:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> no idea
[20:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> more sats here https://www.n2yo.com/
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[20:17] <SendTelemSatPhon> nice page thx
[20:17] <SendTelemSatPhon> do i need be registrated to change sat on view?
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[20:19] <SendTelemSatPhon> view map
[20:21] <SendTelemSatPhon> working, i cliked in not right place
[20:22] <SA6BSS-Mike> thumbup
[20:30] <SendTelemSatPhon> are here creators of habhub map ?
[20:30] <SendTelemSatPhon> anytime ?
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[20:37] <SendTelemSatPhon> i dont understand silence of nicks
[20:37] <SendTelemSatPhon> are almost all bots?
[20:44] <edm> SendTelemSatPhon: mostly humans
[20:45] <daveake> I'm a bot
[20:45] <SendTelemSatPhon> so i can believe they are humans
[20:45] <edm> SendTelemSatPhon: people have used this before for sat communications from habs
[20:45] <edm> https://www.rock7.com/products/rockblock-iridium-9602-satellite-modem
[20:46] <SendTelemSatPhon> i know this rockblock
[20:46] <SendTelemSatPhon> but how they send telemetria do hubhab ?
[20:46] <edm> daveake can probably help you there
[20:47] <daveake> Yeah ...
[20:47] <edm> bucky McPassFace
[20:47] <daveake> lol
[20:47] <daveake> Trying to remember how I did it, but RockBlock give you some options on what to do with messages
[20:48] <SendTelemSatPhon> emd thx
[20:48] <SendTelemSatPhon> edm thx
[20:48] <daveake> IIRC there's a http API and then it's just a matter of poking habhub with the telemetry
[20:48] <daveake> Start here https://docs.rockblock.rock7.com/docs/integration-with-application
[20:53] <SendTelemSatPhon> deveake good info
[20:53] <SendTelemSatPhon> daveake problem is i wanted use ready device
[20:54] <daveake> What does that mean ?
[20:54] <SendTelemSatPhon> buy ready modem
[20:55] <daveake> That's what Rockblock is
[20:55] <SendTelemSatPhon> my mistake
[20:55] <SendTelemSatPhon> buy ready device
[20:56] <daveake> OK, so what exactly is your requirement? You want to buy a ready-made tracker that just appears on a map without you doing anything ?
[20:56] <daveake> And it has to work by satellite ?
[20:57] <SendTelemSatPhon> in my country arduino make 8 years children
[20:57] <SendTelemSatPhon> is that for you beeing specialist ?
[20:57] <daveake> I don't know what that means either
[20:58] <daveake> What is it that YOU want ?
[20:58] <SendTelemSatPhon> yes i want ready tracker
[20:58] <SendTelemSatPhon> not projected for habballons but ready tracker sat
[20:58] <daveake> https://www.findmespot.com/en-gb/
[20:59] <daveake> Ready made tracker that puts you on a map via satellite
[20:59] <SendTelemSatPhon> that's fine but problem for me is not only tracker
[20:59] <SendTelemSatPhon> in that meaning but how send info to habhub
[21:00] <daveake> What has habhub got to do with your requirement?
[21:00] <daveake> Spot has its own map why not just use that ?
[21:00] <SendTelemSatPhon> why requirement.....
[21:01] <SendTelemSatPhon> this site just has fine function
[21:01] <SendTelemSatPhon> datas from sensor nice graphic prestige in habballons
[21:01] <daveake> I don't know how you measure prestige
[21:02] <daveake> What is it you are trying to do? Track a balloon? Something else ?
[21:02] <SendTelemSatPhon> place where people from habballons meet and watch on map
[21:02] <SendTelemSatPhon> i can tell you in normal talk
[21:03] <SendTelemSatPhon> i want to make new record in altitude
[21:03] <SendTelemSatPhon> send video up max alttude
[21:03] <SendTelemSatPhon> make new functions at payload
[21:04] <SendTelemSatPhon> give payload to somebody in other continet (europe asia or africa)
[21:04] <SendTelemSatPhon> test devices in high altitude
[21:04] <SendTelemSatPhon> and more
[21:05] <SendTelemSatPhon> (analog and amateur radio)
[21:05] <edm> i think if you want to use a sattelite modem and want your payload to appear on the habhub map, it will almost certainly require you to write some software
[21:06] <SendTelemSatPhon> i think so
[21:06] <SendTelemSatPhon> possible i must order up somebody to write program or scipt special for habhub
[21:06] <daveake> You have several requirements there, and individually most of them will require you doing more than just ordering a tracker from BalloonRecordsRUs
[21:07] <SendTelemSatPhon> but before i must have info about what type of data must send to hubbah
[21:07] <SendTelemSatPhon> hubhab
[21:08] <SendTelemSatPhon> i dont see also nothing with buy ready devices market companies
[21:08] <SendTelemSatPhon> if i wiil be sure hardware work i can do in short time own device
[21:09] <SendTelemSatPhon> better first time is to try many functions then built alone one bye one
[21:09] <daveake> In what language will your coding slave be writing ?
[21:10] <SendTelemSatPhon> i bet on python
[21:10] <SendTelemSatPhon> but can be other
[21:10] <daveake> There's some code at https://github.com/sm3ulc/hab-wspr
[21:12] <daveake> also https://github.com/raspberrypi/skygate
[21:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> one here as well, encoded right the aprs get autoimported to habhub https://github.com/ve3gtc/aprsWsprBridge
[21:12] <daveake> ta
[21:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> making a reccord would imply making lots of testflights, and you really want a backup on those sat modems, then you are back at radios :)
[21:15] <daveake> Yeah there are some conflicting requirements there ... record + readymade tracker + live video + not interested in radio
[21:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> which would be a good way to start to see how high you can come with a camera recoring the flight
[21:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> indeed
[21:15] <SendTelemSatPhon> why conflict
[21:16] <daveake> Because high altitude means lightweight tracker
[21:16] <daveake> Lightweight and readymade don't normally go together
[21:16] <daveake> Lightweight and live video don't normally go together
[21:16] <SendTelemSatPhon> yes,with video that is hard
[21:17] <daveake> Live video and "not interested in radio" don't go together because you will almost certainly need a ham radio license
[21:17] <SendTelemSatPhon> i dont need any licence
[21:18] <daveake> How do you know ?
[21:18] <SendTelemSatPhon> i speak via modem sat
[21:18] <SendTelemSatPhon> by communicators or voup
[21:18] <SendTelemSatPhon> voip
[21:18] <daveake> And have you checked if the radio frequency is allowed at altitude ? Not all are.
[21:18] <SendTelemSatPhon> wake up,but internet you can send what you want
[21:18] <SendTelemSatPhon> is sat service
[21:19] <daveake> You missed the point
[21:19] <daveake> Does the license under which those satellite modems operate allow them to be used at high altitude ?
[21:20] <SendTelemSatPhon> we live in two other worlds haha
[21:20] <SendTelemSatPhon> i pay for using sat modem and sat phone
[21:20] <SA6BSS-Mike> So Dave how long does one of your 35000-40000m flight go on for, 3Hours?
[21:20] <SendTelemSatPhon> and they allow me to send what i want and where want
[21:21] <daveake> You need to check. You haven't checked.
[21:21] <SendTelemSatPhon> this is telecomuncation service
[21:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2FOU-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2FOU-11
[21:22] <daveake> I doubt there's a problem but you should check
[21:22] <SendTelemSatPhon> you must have certificet devices and pay bills
[21:22] <daveake> Irrelevant
[21:23] <SendTelemSatPhon> so analog radio is totaly not needed
[21:24] <SA6BSS-Mike> you can put a couple of spot trackers on it and hope for the best whn it lands :)
[21:24] <daveake> That always works well
[21:24] <daveake> ^^ sarcasm
[21:24] <SA6BSS-Mike> :)
[21:24] <SendTelemSatPhon> btw your boys send via iradium modem and no problem with it
[21:24] <SendTelemSatPhon> problem is they used aprs to send possition
[21:25] <SendTelemSatPhon> i want send by sat modem that's all
[21:26] <SendTelemSatPhon> about trackers that is possible today
[21:26] <SA6BSS-Mike> have you checked balloon and gas costs? not extremely expensive , but not cheap either
[21:26] <SendTelemSatPhon> i can send satphone which send me info about possition
[21:26] <SA6BSS-Mike> or it could be if you aim for +50km
[21:26] <SendTelemSatPhon> but still is not telemetria on air
[21:27] <SendTelemSatPhon> and sitll not fine map like hubhab
[21:27] <daveake> Iridium is OK for short messages. Delays can be long. First Rockblocks had a failure mode during use which they fixed.
[21:27] <SA6BSS-Mike> and you say to send 2 times a day, those flights does not last long
[21:28] <SA6BSS-Mike> what the aim for flight duration?
[21:28] <daveake> wossat? 2 times a day ??
[21:28] <SendTelemSatPhon> that is also other option
[21:28] <daveake> Launch and landing ? :)
[21:28] <SendTelemSatPhon> i can send just mini pc with aplication and will send info by modem sat
[21:28] <SendTelemSatPhon> but that is too easy
[21:29] <daveake> Can we have a small reality check please?
[21:29] <SendTelemSatPhon> that's reality
[21:29] <daveake> You seem to have started with aims that are ambitious and, without asking anyone, have settled on the solution being satellite
[21:30] <daveake> You may (will) find that you need to compromise
[21:30] <SendTelemSatPhon> that is not ambitious
[21:30] <daveake> Which, depending on what is most important, will include losing one of those things, as I was trying to say earlier
[21:30] <SendTelemSatPhon> i need only to send data to habhub
[21:31] <daveake> For example, altitude record + PC connected to satellite modem is not going to happen
[21:31] <SendTelemSatPhon> tell me why not happen
[21:31] <daveake> Too heavy
[21:31] <SendTelemSatPhon> ballon type 5000 take 10 kg as i member
[21:32] <daveake> Sure, it can carry 10kg
[21:32] <daveake> a) no record
[21:32] <daveake> b) depending on country, possibly not legal possibly need special permission c) possibly need extra equipment on board
[21:33] <SendTelemSatPhon> 1 kg camera
[21:33] <SendTelemSatPhon> 1lg batteries
[21:33] <daveake> See above
[21:33] <SendTelemSatPhon> 1 kg modem
[21:33] <SendTelemSatPhon> 3 kg mini pc
[21:34] <daveake> LOL
[21:34] <daveake> Too funny
[21:34] <SendTelemSatPhon> 3-4 kg for other sensors
[21:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> make the WHOLE payload in the range of 0.3Kg
[21:34] <daveake> And an ADSB transponder
[21:34] <daveake> Probably less than 100g for an altitude record
[21:35] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah
[21:35] <daveake> But clearly this is either a record for silliest amateur payload ever, or a wind up
[21:35] <SendTelemSatPhon> i forget gps locator haha
[21:36] <daveake> Nothing important then
[21:36] <daveake> Anyway, thanks for the laugh, gotta go.
[21:36] <SendTelemSatPhon> becouse you dont have money
[21:36] <SendTelemSatPhon> and your arduino for 8 years children is your way
[21:36] <SA6BSS-Mike> getting all those kg into air, you will need a large heavy parachute!
[21:36] <SendTelemSatPhon> they are in sell
[21:37] <SendTelemSatPhon> any problem
[21:37] <SendTelemSatPhon> and all i said i can do tommorow
[21:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP5NVX - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5NVX
[21:37] <SendTelemSatPhon> but what is sens if i cant send to habhub or othjer map
[21:38] <SendTelemSatPhon> make record only on own map ?
[21:38] <SendTelemSatPhon> no sense
[21:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> have you plaued with the balloon calc ?
[21:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> to see altitudes vs gas volume and so on? lets see if I can find it
[21:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://habhub.org/calc/
[21:40] <SA6BSS-Mike> oh, cant do passed 40km
[21:40] <SendTelemSatPhon> btw i am not sure to make record at first time
[21:41] <SendTelemSatPhon> just wanna try all functions
[21:41] <edm> 1kg is plenty
[21:41] <SA6BSS-Mike> well, you can put in your payload weight on a nr of balloons and see altitudes
[21:42] <SA6BSS-Mike> good luck , getting late here , gn
[21:42] <SendTelemSatPhon> what tell you your calculator ?
[21:42] <SendTelemSatPhon> factory tells this ballon make 38 km by 10 kg load
[21:43] <SendTelemSatPhon> i am not sure about this but even it will be 30 km
[21:43] <SendTelemSatPhon> by first time will be nice
[21:43] <SA6BSS-Mike> I have never played with Latex balloon so Im not the right one to ask
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[21:46] <SendTelemSatPhon> i also dont know result
[21:47] <SendTelemSatPhon> but as i said making this only for own telemetria map dont have sense
[21:48] <edm> time to get your wallet out
[21:48] <SendTelemSatPhon> no man
[21:48] <SendTelemSatPhon> it's nothing expensive here
[21:49] <SendTelemSatPhon> maybe ready marked modem sat
[21:49] <SendTelemSatPhon> but it will back even totataly system not work
[21:49] <edm> i mean to write the software you need to make your modem telemetry appear on habhub
[21:50] <edm> it sounds like you dont know how to do it nor want to learn
[21:50] <SendTelemSatPhon> yes true
[21:51] <SendTelemSatPhon> i dont have time for make new software
[21:51] <SendTelemSatPhon> and want to hire somebody
[21:51] <edm> good luck
[21:52] <edm> please dont launch 10kg payloads tho
[21:52] <edm> not without experience
[21:52] <edm> that sort of payload kills people
[21:53] <SendTelemSatPhon> i sent 4 kg many times
[21:53] <SendTelemSatPhon> that is max in eu
[21:53] <SendTelemSatPhon> (in easier agreement method)
[21:55] <SendTelemSatPhon> about parachute and lines also dont woorrry
[21:55] <SendTelemSatPhon> there are many parachutes for munch heavy rockets
[21:55] <SendTelemSatPhon> on market
[21:55] <edm> ok so you can stick to 4kg then
[21:56] <SendTelemSatPhon> at start this also that also will be
[21:57] <SendTelemSatPhon> (start this project)
[21:58] <qyx> I haven't read you guys for a long time
[21:58] <qyx> it looks like there is some juicy chat ongoing
[21:58] <SendTelemSatPhon> i am not typical man
[21:59] <SendTelemSatPhon> like test new things
[22:00] <edm> but i dont think you have proposed anything new this evening
[22:00] <qyx> people here have tried and failed bazzilion times and know what does work and what doesn't
[22:00] <edm> the satellite tracking phase came and went about a decade ago
[22:00] <edm> everyone realised radio works better
[22:01] <edm> we have all flown heavy payloads and realise lighter ones work better
[22:01] <edm> especially for altitude records
[22:01] <qyx> heh, those first <20 g Leo's payloads
[22:01] <edm> we all know from experience the lies of balloon manufacturers about promised burst altitudes and have real data from real lights instead
[22:01] <qyx> but those were floaters
[22:02] <VK5QI> lol we have another US-size payload here
[22:03] <SendTelemSatPhon> edm i am totaly agree with you
[22:03] <SendTelemSatPhon> not me was shocked becouse i want you satmodem
[22:03] <SendTelemSatPhon> and not me by few years here all time talk about analog radio
[22:04] <edm> its all digital radio infact
[22:04] <edm> just without satellites
[22:04] <SendTelemSatPhon> no, it's analog
[22:04] <SendTelemSatPhon> but information are after convert like digital
[22:05] <VK5QI> so... just like a sat modem them?
[22:05] <SendTelemSatPhon> that differance
[22:05] <SA6BSS-Mike> well, Lora and TTN network ate really taking of as new digital modes
[22:05] <VK5QI> converts digital data to RF?
[22:05] <VK5QI> which is... analog?
[22:05] <edm> i dont think you know how satellite modems work
[22:05] <SendTelemSatPhon> i spoken about arduino method
[22:06] <VK5QI> and?
[22:06] <VK5QI> who cares how the signal is modulated, its how well it performs that counts
[22:06] <edm> but they are all digitally modulated anyway
[22:06] <VK5QI> and in most payloads nowdays we are modulating by adjusting registers on radio chips anyway
[22:06] <edm> all the balloons and sats discretise and send bits or collections of bits at a time
[22:06] <SendTelemSatPhon> i know
[22:06] <VK5QI> edm: i think he's talking about the ye olde radiometrix method of pulling crystals
[22:07] <SendTelemSatPhon> yes i do
[22:07] <daveake> There is no "arduino method". Arduinos have been used with RTTY, 4FSK, LoRa, sat modems, GSM and more
[22:07] <VK5QI> and either way, its just a means to producing the desired modulation,
[22:07] <edm> yes the arduino part is irrelevent to the conversation here
[22:07] <VK5QI> i dont see why this is a sticking point
[22:07] <VK5QI> the previous amateur altitude records have been using light payload transmitting low data rate RTTY or otherwise
[22:08] <VK5QI> and we're talking payloads < 200g
[22:08] <daveake> indeed
[22:08] <edm> (all digital radio modes)
[22:08] <SendTelemSatPhon> point is that i want do it by sat modem
[22:08] <VK5QI> why?
[22:08] <SendTelemSatPhon> then record then video
[22:08] <VK5QI> do you think your payload is goign to go outside of radio range?
[22:08] <VK5QI> and also reach 50km eh
[22:08] <VK5QI> good luck
[22:09] <VK5QI> got a few hundred thousand dollars for a zero-pressure balloon?
[22:09] <SendTelemSatPhon> i didnt tell it
[22:09] <VK5QI> because thats how you reach 50km with that kind of payload weight
[22:10] <SendTelemSatPhon> i want start with typ 5000 ballon
[22:10] <SendTelemSatPhon> record is later targetr
[22:10] <edm> i mean hes allowed to try and spend his money
[22:10] <edm> it just is very unlikely to work
[22:12] <VK5QI> SendTelemSatPhon: have you ever launched a weather balloon
[22:12] <VK5QI> have you ever tracked and successfuly recovered a weather balloonn
[22:13] <SendTelemSatPhon> yes many time
[22:13] <VK5QI> and what did you use as a payload, tracking, balloon, etc?
[22:13] <VK5QI> and where?
[22:13] <SendTelemSatPhon> ballon type 3000
[22:14] <SendTelemSatPhon> payload 4 kg central europe
[22:14] <SendTelemSatPhon> about tracking i write by technology
[22:14] <qyx> waht, I should keep myself indoors
[22:15] <SendTelemSatPhon> 1. by gps tracker - only to take balon from ground
[22:16] <SendTelemSatPhon> then i tried by satphone
[22:16] <qyx> out of curiosity, where did they land?
[22:16] <SendTelemSatPhon> i know where land or by gps locator or by sat phone message
[22:17] <SendTelemSatPhon> now i want have telemetria on air at habhub that;s all
[22:17] <SendTelemSatPhon> problem is software or script
[22:18] <edm> daveakes links earlier are a good place to start
[22:18] <VK5QI> SendTelemSatPhon: go recover a RS41 and reprogram that. tracking up to 50km no problem, and 100g
[22:19] <edm> maybe find someone who knows python to help
[22:19] <VK5QI> and it even uses satellites!
[22:20] <SendTelemSatPhon> sonda get only gps adress from sats
[22:20] <SendTelemSatPhon> it's not sat modem
[22:20] <SendTelemSatPhon> i have programist friends
[22:20] <edm> talk to them. show them the rockblock api link and the habhub site
[22:21] <SendTelemSatPhon> i done it
[22:21] <edm> they can probably then figure it out
[22:21] <VK5QI> SendTelemSatPhon: there are many many receiving stations throughout europe that can receive telemetry from the different radio payloads commonly in use with habhub
[22:21] <edm> VK5QI: broken record
[22:21] <VK5QI> you launch a RS41 transmitting the 4FSK mode and there'll immediately be 10 different people decoding telemetry
[22:21] <edm> he wants to use sat modems
[22:22] <VK5QI> edm: yeah...
[22:22] <SendTelemSatPhon> VK5QI what is connection with sat ?
[22:22] <SendTelemSatPhon> yes i want
[22:22] <VK5QI> SendTelemSatPhon: there is not. its a 434 MH radio link to many spatially diverse receive stations on the ground
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[22:22] <VK5QI> so yeah
[22:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KI5JSU-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KI5JSU-11
[22:23] <VK5QI> higher speed update rates than what you would be able to get with an iridium modem
[22:23] <VK5QI> iridium modem maybe one position every 60 seconds? the radio trackers we use, maybe ever 3-4 seconds
[22:23] <edm> SendTelemSatPhon: do you now have the information you need to move onto the next stage
[22:23] <edm> roccblock api and habhub api
[22:23] <edm> for your programmer friends
[22:23] <SendTelemSatPhon> edm yes
[22:24] <edm> right, good
[22:24] <edm> onwards
[22:24] <SendTelemSatPhon> is one other problem
[22:24] <SendTelemSatPhon> i also dont want use arduino raspberyy and others
[22:24] <VK5QI> lol
[22:24] <qyx> buy a proper intel nuc then
[22:24] <edm> also an issue for your competant friends
[22:24] <VK5QI> hahahahaa
[22:24] <edm> you are not competent so just take their advice
[22:25] <VK5QI> SendTelemSatPhon: why not?
[22:25] <SendTelemSatPhon> not competent ?
[22:25] <VK5QI> edm: maybe they have answered this question before
[22:25] <SendTelemSatPhon> arduino is for 8 years children
[22:25] <VK5QI> SendTelemSatPhon: you are disregarding the advice of people in here who have many many many years of experience
[22:25] <VK5QI> SendTelemSatPhon: ok kindly fuck off
[22:25] <VK5QI> sorry to say
[22:25] <edm> SendTelemSatPhon: make a custom pcb
[22:25] <SendTelemSatPhon> you dont give any advice
[22:26] <edm> with a custom arm microcontroller
[22:26] <SendTelemSatPhon> !
[22:26] <VK5QI> SendTelemSatPhon: we give heaps of advice
[22:26] <SendTelemSatPhon> still telling about analog radio
[22:26] <daveake> We have given lots of advuce
[22:26] <VK5QI> you are chosing to ignore it
[22:26] <edm> it can be exactly what you need
[22:26] <daveake> You have not listened
[22:26] <daveake> Because you think you know the answers
[22:26] <SendTelemSatPhon> i service electronic and comptuers
[22:26] <daveake> I hope your competent friends are as honest with you as VK5QI
[22:26] <SendTelemSatPhon> dont make me funny
[22:26] <SendTelemSatPhon> with arduino
[22:27] <edm> right, so you can make a custom pcb with a custom microcontroller of your choice
[22:27] <edm> there is no problem then
[22:27] <SendTelemSatPhon> that is true abouyt your both
[22:27] <edm> you can carry on as you desire
[22:27] <VK5QI> SendTelemSatPhon: many people in this chat are professional electronic and software engineers
[22:27] <SendTelemSatPhon> and force me to use arduino ?
[22:27] <SendTelemSatPhon> dont joke
[22:27] <edm> no
[22:27] <daveake> Nobody has mentioned PC104 yet :)
[22:27] <VK5QI> we are not saying to use an arduino
[22:27] <qyx> SendTelemSatPhon: can you rework a bga?
[22:28] <edm> SendTelemSatPhon: make your own pcb
[22:28] <edm> i keep telling you
[22:28] <edm> you can make exactly what you need
[22:28] <edm> you can program it in virtually any language you want
[22:28] <daveake> machine code
[22:28] <edm> you can ever use an fpga if you like
[22:28] <edm> nothing is stopping you
[22:28] <SendTelemSatPhon> who told me device stop me ?
[22:29] <edm> you said there was a problem
[22:29] <edm> you dont want to use arduino
[22:29] <SendTelemSatPhon> i just said arduino stm32 raspebry are for childrens
[22:29] <VK5QI> haha
[22:29] <qyx> so what would you use?
[22:29] <VK5QI> oh god
[22:29] <VK5QI> he included stm32 in there
[22:29] <qyx> yeah
[22:29] Action: qyx much offensed
[22:30] <daveake> :)
[22:30] <SendTelemSatPhon> what i can or what i want ?
[22:30] <edm> SendTelemSatPhon: if you are competent you can do what you want
[22:30] <edm> if you are not you should take our advice
[22:30] <edm> thing hard before typing another message into here
[22:30] <edm> think hard*
[22:31] <edm> if you know what is for adults then use that and dont keep typing stuff into here because you dont need our help
[22:31] <SendTelemSatPhon> it's not your chat at first and second you didnt give any adivces
[22:31] <edm> oh not my chat
[22:31] <SendTelemSatPhon> but have complex becouse somebody want use sat modem
[22:31] <SendTelemSatPhon> that's all true
[22:32] <daveake> I've used one. But there are better options.
[22:32] <qyx> SendTelemSatPhon: so whats an example of a solution which you consider mature for your needs?
[22:32] <SendTelemSatPhon> now back normal speach
[22:33] <qyx> if you were allowed to choose whatever you want, what would you use?
[22:33] <edm> using your judgement and experience
[22:33] <VK5QI> a sat modem is a suitable solution if you are launching a heavy payload into a around-the-world floater situation. in which case you are going to be falling into a very different regulatory domain involving much larger balloons, ADS-B transponders, large flashing lights, etc
[22:33] <SendTelemSatPhon> when i will one what data habhub need
[22:33] <SendTelemSatPhon> i will buy software for it
[22:33] <VK5QI> if you are trying to launch something up to 50km, have it burst, and come back down again, then there are better solutions
[22:33] <VK5QI> 'buy software'
[22:34] <SendTelemSatPhon> pay friends for write software special for habhub by sat telemetria
[22:34] <SendTelemSatPhon> use
[22:34] <VK5QI> then send those friends here
[22:34] <VK5QI> i'm sure we can provide them with the required information
[22:34] <edm> and what do your friends you are paying suggest for your flight computer
[22:35] <SendTelemSatPhon> what ?
[22:35] <VK5QI> lots of people here have written code that interfaces with habhub, we can provide them with advice
[22:35] <SendTelemSatPhon> i need software
[22:35] <daveake> I linked him earlier
[22:35] <SendTelemSatPhon> not computer miossion
[22:35] <SendTelemSatPhon> is hard to understand ?
[22:35] <edm> but you need someone tho connect the gps to the rockblock
[22:35] <qyx> yes, we are asking you what do you want to use as a computer
[22:35] <edm> to create the message to be sent
[22:35] <edm> that thing is a flight computer
[22:36] <SendTelemSatPhon> qvx computer si totalt no problem
[22:36] <SendTelemSatPhon> totaly
[22:36] <qyx> thats not answer
[22:36] <SendTelemSatPhon> ok i will asnwer
[22:36] <qyx> I am not asking if it is a problem
[22:36] <qyx> I asked what did you choose
[22:36] <SendTelemSatPhon> are you asking about my max competiton or what i want to THIS mission ?
[22:36] <SendTelemSatPhon> about comptuer
[22:37] <qyx> whatever, what did you use in the past or what are you going to use for this flight
[22:37] <SendTelemSatPhon> ok
[22:37] <SendTelemSatPhon> so for now i will use just mini pc becouse i want try telemetria sat
[22:37] <SendTelemSatPhon> by habhub
[22:38] <qyx> mini pc is uh.. whats that
[22:38] <SendTelemSatPhon> that is ultra important for me
[22:39] <SendTelemSatPhon> i will creat nettop
[22:39] <SendTelemSatPhon> do you know what mean nettop ?
[22:40] <qyx> like apple mac mini M1?
[22:40] <SendTelemSatPhon> we dont use here apple so i cant answer
[22:41] <SendTelemSatPhon> jus simple platform but on 86 procesors
[22:41] <SendTelemSatPhon> maybe atom
[22:41] <SendTelemSatPhon> maybe arm
[22:41] <qyx> are you from the past?
[22:41] <qyx> x86 was used in late 90'
[22:41] <edm> stm32 and raspi are both arm
[22:41] <SendTelemSatPhon> that's why i prefer atom
[22:42] <SendTelemSatPhon> intel atom
[22:42] <SendTelemSatPhon> it not use many energy
[22:42] <edm> and anything running a whole operating system like windows or linux is wildly more heavyweight and energy inefficient than required to just connect the gps to the sat modem
[22:43] <edm> yes it does use more energy
[22:43] <SendTelemSatPhon> more from arm yes
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[22:43] <SendTelemSatPhon> then
[22:43] <edm> if you want to mine bitcoin between sending sattelite messages then ok
[22:43] <edm> otherwise you only really need about 5mA, 3.3V
[22:44] <SendTelemSatPhon> man comp weight few kg's
[22:44] <qyx> so a classic consumer low end cheap intel atom nettop
[22:44] <edm> and about 50g
[22:44] <SendTelemSatPhon> with modem
[22:44] <qyx> not even prepared to run in sub zero temperatures
[22:44] <SendTelemSatPhon> i know that is risky also after make extra capsule
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[22:45] <daveake> qyx I'd be more concerned about losing the heat
[22:45] <SendTelemSatPhon> but boys computer is not problem
[22:45] <SendTelemSatPhon> i can send old laptop
[22:45] <qyx> yeah we know now
[22:46] <SendTelemSatPhon> and also will work for 3 hours
[22:46] <edm> so what is the problem
[22:46] <edm> why are you still here
[22:46] <qyx> surely better than a stm32 custom board running a realtime os
[22:46] <edm> what are you trying to find out
[22:46] <SendTelemSatPhon> maybe stm32 and raspebryy is also fine, i was by emotion
[22:46] <edm> less emotion from now on
[22:46] <edm> last chance saloon
[22:47] <SendTelemSatPhon> but still better for me atom
[22:48] <SendTelemSatPhon> i can tell you a have all of this things comptur modem sat sensors
[22:48] <SendTelemSatPhon> problem is telemetria
[22:48] <SendTelemSatPhon> an air
[22:48] <SendTelemSatPhon> and software for habhub
[22:48] <qyx> you bet
[22:49] <SendTelemSatPhon> even system not works,it back on parachute
[22:49] <edm> but youve just told us you have programmer friends who can write the software to get the sat modem received messages onto habhub
[22:49] <edm> so what is the problem
[22:49] <SendTelemSatPhon> no reason to not try
[22:49] <SendTelemSatPhon> i said thay are programist
[22:50] <SendTelemSatPhon> if they can i done itfew years ago
[22:50] <SendTelemSatPhon> what's problem to send even ready laptop and sat modem with big balloon really dont make jokes here
[22:51] <SendTelemSatPhon> also i want to try done it by satphone
[22:51] <edm> its wildly inefficient and may not work thermally but probably doable
[22:51] <SendTelemSatPhon> but is also change firmware
[22:52] <SendTelemSatPhon> more hard option...
[22:52] <edm> but our question is what problems do _you_ have
[22:52] <SendTelemSatPhon> not our
[22:52] <edm> why are you here asking advice if you know the answers, dont want to use radio, dont want to use arduino, and have friends who can do the programming
[22:52] <edm> what problems remain that we can help with
[22:53] <SendTelemSatPhon> tell what information need habitat
[22:53] <SendTelemSatPhon> to get telemetria info
[22:53] <SendTelemSatPhon> that's meritum
[22:53] <SendTelemSatPhon> they create software with sending this info
[22:53] <SendTelemSatPhon> i send ballon
[22:55] <daveake> I gave you links for that
[22:55] <SendTelemSatPhon> i dont want use arudino modem
[22:56] <SendTelemSatPhon> i decide what device i use-normal speach
[22:56] <SendTelemSatPhon> tell what habitat server need for telemetria
[22:56] <qyx> idk, I just googled it, it took me about 30 seconds to see https://habitat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
[22:56] <qyx> not the right thing?
[22:56] <daveake> I already gave you the links for that
[22:56] <daveake> 1 hour 40 minutes ago
[22:56] <SendTelemSatPhon> you gave me rtty
[22:56] <daveake> No I didn'
[22:57] <daveake> t
[22:57] <SendTelemSatPhon> maybe easier
[22:57] <daveake> I gave you links to 2 programs that take telemetry as send to habhub
[22:57] <daveake> The telemetry can come from anywhere
[22:58] <SendTelemSatPhon> can this programs send and take data only from sat modem ?
[22:58] <daveake> That's what your programmers do for you
[22:58] <daveake> You give them the habhub API linked here
[22:58] <daveake> and the Rockblock API I linked earlier
[22:59] <daveake> and you ask them if they can do it and how much it will cost
[22:59] <SendTelemSatPhon> i dont need rockblock....
[22:59] <VK5QI> and then you send them here to ask any other questions
[22:59] <VK5QI> SendTelemSatPhon: what sat modem are you going to use then?
[22:59] <VK5QI> send us a link
[22:59] <daveake> I linked to rockblock because you mentioned it. But it's irrelevant you can use anything
[22:59] <SendTelemSatPhon> yes,this time right
[23:00] <SendTelemSatPhon> in some part you gave me good link
[23:00] <daveake> And there are 2 things you ask them for
[23:00] <SendTelemSatPhon> but still not solution
[23:00] <daveake> 1 - A tracker program to take GPS data and send via satellite modem
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[23:00] <daveake> 2 - A program to receive that GPS data and send to habhub
[23:01] <SendTelemSatPhon> ?
[23:01] <daveake> Or if you have an internet connection at the balloon, do everything there
[23:01] <SendTelemSatPhon> i searching this info few years and you talk me what i need to know :)
[23:01] <qyx> thats great, nothing is missing then
[23:02] <daveake> Good, so you know everything you need now ?
[23:02] <SendTelemSatPhon> no
[23:02] <SendTelemSatPhon> haha
[23:02] <daveake> What is missing ?
[23:02] <SendTelemSatPhon> still no body have ready software
[23:02] <SendTelemSatPhon> but maybe SOMEONE have
[23:02] <daveake> That's the bit where you ask your programmer friends
[23:02] <SendTelemSatPhon> that's why i am here
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[23:02] <SendTelemSatPhon> dont tell me waht i will ask them or not,they are only programers
[23:03] <edm> you need to talk less and read me
[23:03] <edm> i will help you
[23:03] <qyx> :D
[23:03] <SendTelemSatPhon> true is that no body up today make this software
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[23:03] <daveake> We have given you everything you need to pass on to your programmers
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[23:04] <SendTelemSatPhon> ?
[23:04] <SendTelemSatPhon> you searching friends or what ?
[23:04] <SendTelemSatPhon> dont tell more abouyt other people
[23:04] <daveake> So, last time, is there any other information you need from us?
[23:05] <SendTelemSatPhon> i want meet person wchich have software to send telemetria by sat to habhub
[23:05] <SendTelemSatPhon> wanna ban me ?
[23:05] <SendTelemSatPhon> do it
[23:05] <daveake> I sent you 2 links to such software
[23:05] <daveake> One of which I wrote
[23:06] <SendTelemSatPhon> i said iam not interested in andruino
[23:06] <qyx> I think nobody here made a windows compatible version running on atom
[23:06] <daveake> Who mentioned arduino ?
[23:07] <edm> this guy is too stupid to be worth more time in this channel
[23:07] <daveake> What you do is speak to your programmers, give them the information we have given you, and ask them for time/price to write the software for your PC
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[23:07] <edm> if you have more energy for them then it can be over pm
[23:07] <daveake> Too stupid and too condescending and too lazy and too ignorant and ...
[23:08] <daveake> No
[23:08] <daveake> But thanks for the offer :D
[23:08] <edm> will lift in a week in the optimistic hope theyve learnt anything at all about electronics or habs or anything
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[23:08] <edm> also bedtime
[23:09] <qyx> gn
[23:09] <VK5QI> lol
[23:09] <qyx> back to work
[23:09] <VK5QI> edm: good job
[23:09] <daveake> :)
[23:09] <daveake> +1
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[23:10] <daveake> hah
[23:10] <Guest3> problem in that you have complex becouse somebody want use only sat
[23:10] <Guest3> that's all true
[23:10] <VK5QI> edm:
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[23:10] <Guest3> i can have different ip
[23:10] <Guest3> dont make me fun
[23:11] <VK5QI> you're behind 13 proxies too i guess
[23:12] <VK5QI> Guest3: we've given you the information you need to get what you want
[23:12] <VK5QI> if you can't understand that, then we can't help you
[23:12] <Guest3> i dont have any problem
[23:12] <Guest3> try to find somebody with ready software
[23:12] <VK5QI> it doesnt exist
[23:13] <VK5QI> it would need to be written
[23:13] <Guest3> maybe
[23:13] <daveake> Well what you need is someone to write it
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[23:13] <Guest3> this is most hab ballons chat and nothing wrong to try one message per day on main screen
[23:13] <daveake> Like me, or VK here, who you have pissed off already
[23:13] <Guest3> will you ban me for it ?
[23:14] <daveake> So rule 1 if you need someone's help, listen to their advice
[23:14] <qyx> daveake: OT, is there any ~recent gallery of payloads?
[23:14] <daveake> You do, as we've said, have ALL the information you need to pass to whoever writes the software for you
[23:15] <daveake> qyx I'm now aware of any gallery of payloads
[23:15] <VK5QI> not*
[23:15] <daveake> I have photos of most of mine so I could collect some together
[23:15] <daveake> sry yes "not aware"
[23:15] <edm> i dont like banning unless its for obvious trollage
[23:15] <VK5QI> daveake: those all have arduinos and raspberry pis for children
[23:15] <edm> the quieting was a learning opportunity
[23:15] <VK5QI> so cant do that
[23:16] <VK5QI> gotta find those US payload with the PC104 486s
[23:16] <VK5QI> or whatever
[23:16] <Guest3> edm i speak normal
[23:16] <daveake> No the links I gave were for Python software you can run it on whatever you want
[23:16] <Guest3> that;s not reason to ban but i wont cry if you do this....
[23:16] <VK5QI> daveake: i meant your payloads :P
[23:17] <daveake> And Arduinos and Pis are used in industrial applications as well as learning
[23:17] <Guest3> daveake and case is clear
[23:17] <Guest3> speak just normal now
[23:17] <daveake> VK5QI ah sorry missed that !!
[23:17] <Guest3> topic is end about my needed
[23:17] <daveake> So, another last time, what other information do you need ?
[23:18] <Guest3> ?
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[23:18] <Guest3> topic is end
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[23:18] <VK5QI> yo fredy
[23:19] <Guest3> VK5QI about arudino 8 years childrens use it
[23:19] <qyx> and daveake should update the leenode IRC link on his web
[23:19] <Guest3> and that true
[23:19] <Guest3> it's your decission how you gety it
[23:19] <VK5QI> Guest3: if its fit for purpose, then its fine
[23:20] <Guest3> so also clear with you
[23:20] <daveake> qyx: Anywhere in particular?
[23:20] <daveake> Probably a few
[23:21] <VK5QI> i've updated habhub/sondehub
[23:21] <daveake> Any Arduino is a waaaaay better HAB option than a PC of any sort
[23:21] <daveake> Weight, power, complexity, lack of OS
[23:21] <daveake> etc
[23:21] <VK5QI> given all it has to do is parse GPS telemetry and modulate some radio, its more than adequate
[23:21] <daveake> Well quite
[23:22] <Guest3> i have more targets and respect it
[23:22] <VK5QI> the primary tracking system should be as simple as possible
[23:22] <VK5QI> do your complex stuff on another system
[23:22] <daveake> Indeed
[23:22] <Guest3> daveake depends on target
[23:22] <VK5QI> have a ultra-reliable tracking payload for positioning, then do your video capture, whatever, on some other independent system, so you avoid losing primary teleemetry if something goes wrong
[23:22] <Guest3> for somebody new or chiuldren is good
[23:22] <daveake> Target is getting it back
[23:23] <Guest3> but if somebody want trye many option must be better platform
[23:23] <daveake> Complexity comes at cost
[23:23] <daveake> Reliability for a start
[23:23] <daveake> Power and weight
[23:23] <Guest3> ?
[23:24] <Guest3> tell me do you have job ?
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[23:24] <fsphil> yeahhh
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[23:27] <edm> right this time really off to bed
[23:27] <edm> hope thats enough for that flea for now
[23:27] <daveake> Hopefully
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[23:28] <VK5QI> hmm
[23:28] <VK5QI> so +r is registered nicks only?
[23:28] <edm> hope so
[23:28] <VK5QI> ok
[23:28] <edm> i.e. no random proxy guests
[23:28] <edm> unless they are well determined
[23:28] <VK5QI> heh
[23:29] <edm> but i mean at some point life becomes too short
[23:29] <fsphil> it is
[23:29] <fsphil> maybe worth setting +s too, secret. stops the bots finding it
[23:29] <edm> i will deactivate tomorrow as its probably useful for driveby hobbyists to not have to register
[23:29] <edm> remind me if i dont
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[23:31] <edm> pm any objections or further requests
[23:31] <daveake> fsphil: Do I remember correctly you were thinking of getting a 3D printer ?
[23:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[23:33] <fsphil> Yeah, still toying with the idea
[23:33] <daveake> righto
[23:33] <VK5QI> hmm, need to go find N4XWC again
[23:34] <VK5QI> and get them to run auto_rx :P
[23:34] <daveake> got mine running again
[23:34] <fsphil> what software do you use to design the parts?
[23:34] <daveake> Got fed up of the hotend blocking ... it's a mixer design 2 filaments 1 nozzle (don't do that)
[23:34] <fsphil> hah
[23:34] <daveake> Bought a replacement hotend that's supposed to be more reliable
[23:35] <daveake> But my recommendation would be get a single colour printer
[23:35] <daveake> These things have enough failure modes as it is
[23:35] <fsphil> well, they are printers
[23:35] <daveake> :D
[23:35] <daveake> But worse
[23:36] <daveake> a whole new dimension of fail :)
[23:37] <daveake> Anyway, after a new hotend, V2 firmware, latest slicing software, and metal pusher things for the filament instead of the plastic ones, it now* seems to be doing what it was supposed to
[23:37] <daveake> *might be a short "now"
[23:38] <daveake> On the plus side of ownership, you soon find that designs exist for things you didn't know you needed
[23:39] <fsphil> there are so many little oddball parts or shapes that it would be super useful for
[23:39] <daveake> First thing I printed was a mod for the printer - a cover to stop filament from falling into the fan :)
[23:39] <daveake> Yes
[23:40] <daveake> I've not gotten to designing bits myself yet
[23:40] <fsphil> that's the bit I worry about. so far my only CAD work was all done in inkscape for a laser cutter
[23:40] <daveake> I did do a print of 2 designs joined together - a case for an ESP32 board and a clip to clip it onto a yagi
[23:41] <fsphil> how'd the case turn out?
[23:42] <daveake> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg_zo1pWAAAy433?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
[23:42] <daveake> Worked well
[23:43] <daveake> Coded the watch and the receiver in Arduino so obviously that's a project only fit for 8-year-olds :P
[23:44] <fsphil> ah you must be new to this programming thing
[23:45] <daveake> :D
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[23:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K4UAH-6 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K4UAH-6
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