highaltitude.log.20210526

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[00:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W8VPV-1 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W8VPV-1
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[01:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[01:36] <kd2eat> OK.  I've posted several new spots for KD2FOU-11 to APRS, and they look fine there but still not showing in Habhub.  Is there a magic list of floaters that someone could add KD2FOU-11 to?
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[02:02] <Darkside> yhrm
[02:02] <Darkside> hrm
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[04:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KI7CUX-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KI7CUX-11
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[06:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> kd2eat: the "new" upload shows that they are several days old datee says 19/5, maby the upload script needs some attention
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[07:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ICT6 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ICT6
[07:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VORTEX1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX1
[07:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K4UAH-5 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K4UAH-5
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[07:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KM4ZIA-3 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM4ZIA-3
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[11:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03EVA1 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EVA1
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[11:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[11:56] <Seismet> test
[11:58] <Seismet> Hello All, Do we know who is responsible for the upkeep of the UKHASNET site , The certificate has expired and the site is no longer accessible
[11:58] <Darkside> ugh
[11:58] <Darkside> tbh im not sure
[11:59] <Seismet> Hello Darkside, we had this problem some time ago and i spoke to dave Brooke about it , who i think left a message on here for the relevant person to fix the issue
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[12:01] <Darkside> dbrooke: ^
[12:02] <Seismet> yes , thats the guy , some of use use environmental nodes which the data gets uploaded to a mapping system via our own gateways
[12:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2FOU-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2FOU-11
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[12:05] <Darkside> kd2eat:
[12:05] <Darkside> 21:33 < SpacenearUS> New position from KD2FOU-11 after 10 hours silence -
[12:05] <Darkside> https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2FOU-11
[12:05] <Darkside> literally just before you joined
[12:06] <kd2eat> Yea, I just uploaded that spot.  The same way I've been uploading spots for days now.
[12:08] <kd2eat> Interesting.... If I set my limit to "last day", it does not show.  If I set it to "all" it shows.  Perhaps this is some kind of timestamp side effect?
[12:08] <Darkside> possibly
[12:11] <kd2eat> This is the spot I pasted into rotate.aprs.net "KD2FOU-11>APRS,TCPIP*:/040400z5056.14N/14222.30WO000/000/A=040826 4-7 Sats 4.4v -15.0c BO80TW 0000|!!QA)i"A!&|"   It's timestamped from last night, since it wasn't auto-uploaded.  Was it maybe rejected due to a difference between current time and time in the spot?
[12:11] <kd2eat> Last night, I was pasting them fairly promptly, but it may have been 5-30 minutes off.  I probably never hit the minute exactly.
[12:11] <Seismet> what are you gusy using to track the balloons these days , Last year I was trackings the sondes with auto sonde rx then moved house , looks like its advanced quite a lot in the last few months
[12:12] <kd2eat> OK, gotta run.  Gym day.  I'll look into it more this afternoon.
[12:17] <Darkside> Seismet: yes, added a lot of new stuff into auto_rx recently
[12:19] <Darkside> in the UK LoRa seems to be fairly popular for balloon flights still, in europe lots more running my 4FSK mode (Horus Binary)
[12:20] <Seismet> I really  must get setup again, I had a great location when i was in stoke but now Im in South Shropshire and a few hills about
[12:20] <murb> do i need to licence some magic code or buy some blackbox to do LoRa?
[12:20] <Darkside> unfortunately yes, you have to buy a chip, which is why im not that much of a fan o fit
[12:21] <Darkside> of it*
[12:21] <Darkside> there is gr-lora, but it doesnt work so well since its completely reverse engineered
[12:22] <Seismet> I see some were experimenting with TTN which seemed to work well but now its changing to V3 its fallen behind
[12:22] <Darkside> yeah not sure where thats up to
[12:22] <Darkside> bertrik: was working on an update i think
[12:22] <Darkside> but yeah, i did my own 4FSK mode which is completely open source :-)
[12:22] <Darkside> and is super robust
[12:22] <Darkside> nce its completely reverse engineered
[12:22] <Darkside> ugh
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[12:23] <Darkside> wrong paste lol
[12:23] <Darkside> https://github.com/projecthorus/horusdemodlib/wiki
[12:24] <dfgg> Darkside: i'm working on adding APRS back to RS41HUP as in poland we have multiple 70cm stations, is it ok?
[12:24] <Darkside> :/
[12:24] <dfgg> and btw, i'll soon file pr to add my callsign to 4fsk lib
[12:24] <Darkside> i would prefer not to have APRS in that repo
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[12:25] <dfgg> well, previously there were only 2m aprs, 70cm aprs and 70cm rtty stations
[12:25] <Darkside> i need to spend some more time and work on the v2 update to teh horus binary mode
[12:25] <Darkside> which is a bit more flexible
[12:26] <dfgg> nowadays some balooners are trying to launch 4fsk even on daily basis
[12:26] <Darkside> yeah so i've seen
[12:26] <Darkside> like half the payload ID list is polish stations
[12:26] <Darkside> its incredible
[12:27] <dfgg> which i think is crazy in terms of "quick, until we'll lose our interest"
[12:27] <Darkside> but yeah, i kind of wrote the mode to get *away* from using APRS
[12:27] <Darkside> and other non FEC modes
[12:28] <dfgg> i was thinking on addind another mode, not it, to allow disabling it, and well, there's nothing wrong that i'll hold it on my fork anyway
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[12:28] <Darkside> any idea ow much code space it adds?
[12:28] <Darkside> im not really sure how full the chip is at the moment. my guess is not much
[12:28] <Darkside> (not that full i mean)
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[12:30] <dfgg> fwiw this should be coarsely reenabling aprs.h and pushing string on single carrier but havent got to compile time yet due to lack of time
[12:31] <Darkside> mmk. well see how you go and see if you can figure out what it does to the flash/ram usage
[12:31] <dfgg> sure thing
[12:31] <Darkside> i dont think the v2 mode is going to add much in the way of codespace, its really just a bigger telemetry frame
[12:32] <Darkside> i was going to use LDPC FEC, but at the packet sizes i'm using i'm not sure its worth the effort
[12:32] <Darkside> tbh in most cases at the moment the limitation in receive range is line of sight, not SNR
[12:33] <dfgg> anyway' i'm asking due to having foss rules in mind than having hard-fork and doing everything on my own as it was with (now partially closed) spdxl - fork of dxlaprs
[12:34] <dfgg> yes, look at east/south-most ballons which went to ukraine - they've been lost due to going out of horizon, not due to signal
[12:34] <Darkside> but yeah, if its not going to use up too much codespace i'd be willing to add it back in
[12:35] <Darkside> and would much prefer a PR to do that than to do it myself :P
[12:35] <Darkside> there's zero 70cm APRS infrastructure here, so i don't really have any desire to do it myself
[12:36] <Darkside> and yeah, i heard about this dxlaprs fork thing... good luck to the people working on that codebase
[12:36] <Darkside> its of it a few times to try and figure out things like sonde callsign calculation for APRS... it's pretty horrid
[12:37] <dfgg> plz no
[12:37] <dfgg> if you've seen dxlaprs codebase, don't even try to look onto spdxl fork
[12:38] <Darkside> that said dont look too closely into the auto_Rx web interface JS. there's some not so nice things there
[12:38] <dfgg> it's based on outdated codebase with each new decoder added without any sense, and mostly in incomplete manner
[12:38] <dfgg> this causes that i'm even more decided to move to rs1729 decoders
[12:39] <Darkside> i need to look more into rs1729's iq_server stuff and how i can integrate that into auto_rx
[12:40] <Darkside> because the main thing auto_rx is missing compared to dxlaprs is the inefficient use of SDRs. not really a problem where in australia where i developed it for... but in europe its a problem
[12:40] <dfgg> but ultimately spdxl authors previously distributed it as closed source, and lately when MRZ-N1 started to show over poland/kaliningrad made for-friends-only closed fork which has been unreleased for a while until everybody else started moving to rs1729 or rdz decoders
[12:40] <Darkside> yeah, zilog and i worked with a few peple to get MRZ support into auto_rx and out there as quickly as possible
[12:40] <dfgg> well, totally understandable - software made for specific needs
[12:41] <Darkside> well around here we're lucky to see two sondes in the air at once
[12:41] <dfgg> i've tried to catch one... but was late 1 or 2 minutes at field and catcher wasn't friendly even after explaintation for what i'll neet it
[12:41] <Darkside> three? never
[12:41] <dfgg> need
[12:42] <dfgg> well, even we in poland are amused when germal mils are launching 10-20 of dfms at short time
[12:42] <Darkside> ugh
[12:42] <Darkside> DFM telemetry is shit
[12:42] <dfgg> yes
[12:42] <dfgg> btw, propably you or zilog had seen my mrz recordings from field from above chase...
[12:42] <Darkside> i've got a few thoughts on how to deal with it a bit better that i need to discuss with rs1729
[12:43] <dfgg> lately i've seen post about m10 but need to make reply on that
[12:43] <dfgg> i've got hands on few and have at least one in my current flat so until m20 will show up we can move on m10
[12:43] <Darkside> but yeah, multuple DFMS on a single frequency is a mess
[12:43] <Darkside> ahh yeah
[12:43] <Darkside> i have a M20 now
[12:44] <Darkside> missing a iMet-54, and a MRZ :-)
[12:45] <dfgg> perhaps i'll be able to speak with russian who lives in kaliningrad about his catches and hope to get one when there will be possibility
[12:45] <dfgg> as i have contact with sone russians and ukrainians about their tries on 1680 sondes but they are not-that-developer in terms of chasing, but have already found some
[12:45] <Darkside> i just want to see some PCB photos
[12:45] <Darkside> i heard the 1680 sondes dont have GPS?
[12:45] <Darkside> (well, GNSS)
[12:46] <dfgg> nope, they're tracked by radiotheodolites
[12:46] <dfgg> as theyre mostly for mil purposes
[12:46] <dfgg> like -SGM or -D vaisalas
[12:46] <Darkside> interestingly i have a nice collection of SGMs here :P
[12:46] <dfgg> in EU you can try to catch SMGs but they're usually encrypted
[12:46] <dfgg> well, i'm jealous of that :P
[12:46] <Darkside> i got the people launching them to turn off encryption
[12:47] <Darkside> i was contacted by the launchers via another person, as they were trying to figure out how to receive them without using vaisalas ground station
[12:47] <Darkside> so i got them to turn off encryption, and rs1729 was able to decode a few samples i sent
[12:47] <dfgg> nice
[12:47] <Darkside> and voila, RS41-SGM support :-)
[12:48] <Darkside> and then the launchers did a trial where they launched one every hour for a few days in a row, and so i took some days off work
[12:48] <Darkside> they stll launch the occasional SGM, and the encryption is still turned off :P
[12:49] <dfgg> in pl nobody cares about those (even for ozonosondes) - so not only PLMIL with M10's or PilotSondes (but someone lately also 've found M2K2) but IMGW with their RS41's and weekly launch of ECC6A from near Warsaw
[12:49] <dfgg> that how i've ended with few working ECC6A's already
[12:50] <dfgg> and now trying to make proper KI solution and relaunch it again
[12:50] <Darkside> but yeah, now that the auto_Rx web interface has been improved massively and we're now off habitat and onto sondehub v2, i need to circle back around and take another look at the SDR side of auto_rx and figure out the best approach for making better use of the SDRs
[12:50] <dfgg> for me it'd be best to support soapysdrs but... even as i have limesdr - there's lack of time constraint
[12:51] <dfgg> i've looked for rx_* stack but had no idea if it will work with other i/q receivers
[12:51] <Darkside> yeah, if i was going to go that way it would be soapy
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[12:52] <Darkside> thing is its going to need to be really efficient to be able to cover enough of the band
[12:52] <Darkside> like, spyserver level of efficient
[12:52] <Darkside> the spyserver model is pretty much what i'm going for in terms of 'backend' to connect into, however i dont want to use spyserver itself as a) limited SDR support, and b) closed source
[12:53] <Darkside> but its a good model for what should be possible in terms of DSP
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[12:54] <Darkside> but yeah, time and lots of effort required
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[13:05] <dbrooke> Darkside: re ukhas.net server certificate expiry mentioned earlier, there's #ukhasnet but craag isn't currently in there so hopefully he'll spot this message
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[14:26] <SQ6NEI> Prosze o akceptacj 47df6ea524e1f44f29a6b6d73f583984
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[14:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KM5XK-16 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM5XK-16
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[14:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BZ-BEACON-L after 038 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BZ-BEACON-L
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[15:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SQ6NEI-4FSK after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ6NEI-4FSK
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[15:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PE2BZ/AM - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PE2BZ%2FAM
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[16:07] <kd2eat> Fixed!  My mistake.  The APRS timestamp was formatted incorrectly.  APRS ignored it, and just put the spot on the map.  Habhub honored it, and thought the spots were old.
[16:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> rr
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[16:40] <bertrik> TTNv3 should work with the latest version of the forwarder software, I think other integrations are coming online too, like the TTN mapper stuff, not 100% sure if it's completely ready yet
[16:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IDA-4FSK after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IDA-4FSK
[16:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N0PPP-4 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N0PPP-4
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[16:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BZ-BEACON-R after 038 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BZ-BEACON-R
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[17:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KO4DTP-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KO4DTP-13
[17:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W7HAO-10 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7HAO-10
[17:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W7HAO-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7HAO-11
[18:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0TVV-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0TVV-9
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[18:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K4UAH-6 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K4UAH-6
[18:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03TA1BFD-1 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TA1BFD-1
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[19:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ3BEA_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ3BEA_chase
[19:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ES3BEC-11 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ES3BEC-11
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[20:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K9WIS-11 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K9WIS-11
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[23:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W8VPV-1 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W8VPV-1
[00:00] --- Thu May 27 2021