highaltitude.log.20210427

[00:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KM4ZIA-3 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM4ZIA-3
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[03:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W2CXM-10 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W2CXM-10
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[06:30] <Djelme> Hi all :)
[06:32] <PE2BZ> Good morning
[06:33] <PE2BZ> Over here it is morning :-)
[06:37] <LIERO> gm o/
[06:38] <Djelme> Hi, here too, 08 am :)
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[06:40] <F4IKE> better :)
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[07:08] <ON3JT_Joost> Any idea if PEPER-3 lora is on the same frequency as the RTTY (435.7255)? I must be missing some detailed links :-)
[07:14] <PE2BZ> GM Joost
[07:14] <PE2BZ> Peper-3 is indeed same QRG for LoRa and RTTY
[07:15] <PE2BZ> Lora mode 2, 62,5 kHz so with AFC on it should easily tune to the right frequency
[07:15] <PE2BZ> If you are on Facebook you could join HAB-NL
[07:16] <ON3JT_Joost> GM Ben, thanks for the info. I'll give it a try. Ah, that group is what I'm missing :-)
[07:17] <ON3JT_Joost> I'm curious to see if my RFM works with the NodeMCU.
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[08:17] <PC4L> Welcome ON3JT_Joost @ the FB page HAB.nl :)
[08:20] <ON3JT_Joost> Haha thanks, I knew I was missing some info ;-)
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[08:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE3OCL-18 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE3OCL-18
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[08:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K4UAH-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K4UAH-6
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[09:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PEPER-3 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PEPER-3
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[10:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03hera-four-test after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=hera-four-test
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[10:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9FKC-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FKC-11
[10:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SA6BSS-8 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SA6BSS-8
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[11:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[12:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NC4ES-12 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NC4ES-12
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[12:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NC4ES-2 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NC4ES-2
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[13:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F0FER_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F0FER_chase
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[13:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W3UAV-15 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W3UAV-15
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[14:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ICT6 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ICT6
[14:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ALEX1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ALEX1
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[15:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Hapros-C_Chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Hapros-C_Chase
[15:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HAPROS after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HAPROS
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[17:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03FDH after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=FDH
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[17:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ9FOX - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ9FOX
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[18:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SQ3XBD-4FSK after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ3XBD-4FSK
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[19:19] <buttim> I need some help with auto_rx
[19:19] <buttim> it works quite well, *but*
[19:19] <buttim> only if I use frequencies on a whitelist
[19:19] <buttim> apparently pure scan does not work
[19:20] <buttim> I did not do extensive testing but I'd like to know if someone has seen something similar
[19:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N0PPP-4 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N0PPP-4
[19:31] <ly2en> buttim: how are your noise levels?
[19:31] <buttim> I've seen SNR as high as 30dB
[19:32] <buttim> ...if that's what you mean
[19:32] <buttim> what seems strange is I actually see peaks above threshold
[19:32] <buttim> but no decoder gets launched
[19:32] <ly2en> for auto_rx we've wound some traps
[19:32] <ly2en> to actually filter out the qrm
[19:33] <ly2en> https://pasteboard.co/JZjlHvb.png
[19:34] <ly2en> I guess it's just a piece of breadboard and some coated wire
[19:34] <buttim> [me <- frantically searching on Wikipedia]
[19:36] <ly2en> https://twitter.com/ryan_gedminas/status/1242220719599013888
[19:38] <buttim> in such a situation shouldn't a decoder being started? https://pasteboard.co/JZjnzER.png
[19:44] <ly2en> well it looks better than some scans i've seen
[19:48] <buttim> well, actually no sondes around here right now
[19:48] <buttim> but shouldn't auto_rx run a decoder ?
[19:51] <ly2en> what's up in your log?
[19:51] <ly2en> like:
[19:52] <ly2en> 2021-04-27 19:50:23,883 INFO:Scanner #0 - Running frequency scan.
[19:52] <ly2en> 2021-04-27 19:50:44,272 INFO:Scanner #0 - Detected peaks on 10 frequencies (MHz): [402.79 400.82 400.81 400.69 400.8 401.34 400.68 401.35 401.21 400.7 ]
[19:52] <ly2en> etc etc
[19:52] <ly2en> and you should get:
[19:52] <ly2en> 2021-04-27 05:09:44,844 INFO:Task Manager - Detected new IMET sonde on 404.950 MHz!
[19:53] <ly2en> 2021-04-27 05:09:44,846 INFO:Halting Scanner to decode detected radiosonde.
[19:53] <ly2en> or an error saying something's off
[19:53] <buttim> that's more or less what i see when using a whiltelist
[19:54] <buttim> but without a whitelist
[19:54] <buttim> a get "Scanner #0 - Detected peaks on 4 frequencies (MHz): [403.2 405.87 405.89 405. ]"
[19:54] <buttim> and then "Scanner #0 - Running frequency scan."
[19:54] <buttim> again
[19:55] <ly2en> decoder is triggered by sonde detection
[19:55] <buttim> not peak detection?
[19:55] <ly2en> scanner sends the data to task manager and it decides whether to kick in the decoder
[19:55] <buttim> A-ha!
[19:56] <buttim> thanks, that's my wrong reasoning
[19:57] <ly2en> https://p.defau.lt/?if_Qyt7nCnQnsHsyjpiGJA
[19:58] <ly2en> here's more context on how a sonde detection looks in the log
[19:58] <buttim> later I will try with no whitelist, maybe it was just a wrong idea in my head
[19:58] <ly2en> yeah, I don't have any whitelist
[19:58] <buttim> How the task manager decides that it'a sonde?
[19:59] <ly2en> i'd have to look at the code to understand it at that depth
[19:59] <ly2en> here's a sample station config, no whitelist:
[19:59] <ly2en> https://p.defau.lt/?zBrdc9aurj0C2wtdR6RCcA
[20:00] <ly2en> aaaand the website itself: http://sdr.vhf.lt:8073/
[20:00] <ly2en> we have a LOT more of QRM
[20:01] <buttim> that's the reason for the blacklist?
[20:03] <ly2en> yes but you can't just have all of the irregular qrm spikes on the blacklist
[20:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KK6BJ-15 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6BJ-15
[20:03] <ly2en> so we've just put the most persistent ones
[20:04] <buttim> I think I should do the same with the peaks I showed you
[20:05] <ly2en> that would make sense, yep
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[20:06] <buttim> should I set a gain?
[20:06] <buttim> or just go on with auto gain?
[20:07] <ly2en> don't worry too much about the gain, auto should work just fine
[20:08] <buttim> ok, great
[20:08] <ly2en> it really depends a lot on your environment, once you'll get used to it, check out what is the auto value
[20:08] <ly2en> and try playing with it up and down to see if you'll get better results
[20:08] <ly2en> but now you probably need a working baseline configuration
[20:08] <buttim> how can I kknow what the auto value is?
[20:09] <ly2en> I bet there is a log verbosity option
[20:09] <ly2en> what type of SDR do you have ?
[20:10] <buttim> it might be a "Raffaello"
[20:10] <buttim> can't check right now, I'm not at home
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[20:11] <buttim> green aluminum box
[20:12] <ly2en> basically any sdr will come with a set of tools
[20:12] <ly2en> example rtlsdr comes with a CLI utility `rtl_test`
[20:12] <ly2en> https://p.defau.lt/?sEAA8Kcd5w86gwfvJymK4Q
[20:12] <ly2en> and beware gain values have to be "supported", it can't be an arbitrary value
[20:13] <buttim> very similar to this: https://it.aliexpress.com/item/32903103541.html?albpd=it32903103541&acnt=494-037-6276&aff_platform=aaf&albpg=539263010115&netw=u&albcp=12556513086&sk=UneMJZVf&trgt=539263010115&terminal_id=48875a4be66448d3afe7cff686b7402b&tmLog=new_Detail&needSmbHouyi=false&albbt=Google_7_shopping&src=google&crea=it32903103541&aff_fcid=71c9dd4c19dc45f3bd0817b356d6d2d5-1619554350518-06537-UneMJZVf&gclid=CjwKCAjw7J6EBhBDEiwA5UUM2j
[20:13] <buttim> -OR6ZLAXC0kdY2FTLlK9mh0sVE2GAQz7g4qB2Msb1qAgnIKbxbBRoCF3cQAvD_BwE&albag=120214549340&aff_fsk=UneMJZVf&albch=shopping&albagn=888888&isSmbAutoCall=false&aff_trace_key=71c9dd4c19dc45f3bd0817b356d6d2d5-1619554350518-06537-UneMJZVf&device=c&gclsrc=aw.ds
[20:13] <buttim> ups
[20:13] <buttim> didn't realize the link was sooooo long
[20:13] <ly2en> I think you've meant https://it.aliexpress.com/item/32903103541.html
[20:14] <ly2en> so that's an RTL-SDR basically, nothing special to it
[20:14] <buttim> ah, you're wrong: I payed a lot for it: it *must* be special
[20:14] <buttim> LOL
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[20:15] <buttim> yes, sorry for my mistake
[20:15] <ly2en> if that was just 13 euros, totally worth it
[20:16] <buttim> so, i run rtl_test and it tells me a list of possible gain values, right?
[20:16] <ly2en> yes and there is a way to see what works best for you
[20:16] <buttim> sadly it was 4x that, I bought it locally
[20:16] <ly2en> you can run rtl_tcp and check out the signal quality through gqrx and watch the signal
[20:16] <buttim> hmmmm
[20:17] <buttim> Win10 here
[20:17] <ly2en> any sdr able connecting to tcp stream would work
[20:17] <buttim> like sdr# i presume
[20:17] <buttim> I'll try when at home
[20:17] <ly2en> yeah that would do
[20:18] <buttim> no hope from here
[20:18] <ly2en> since you're in this business, I'd suggest to have a linux workstation for playing with this stuff :)
[20:18] <buttim> too slow a connection I'm afraid
[20:18] <buttim> I have a couple of old portables
[20:18] <buttim> Mint and Lubuntu
[20:19] <buttim> but I'm too afraid of the full switch
[20:19] <buttim> I'm too old for that :)
[20:19] <ly2en> anyway, win10 has many tools available
[20:20] <ly2en> and remember rtl_sdr is the cheapest
[20:20] <ly2en> it has no built in filtering so you will need to make a filter anyway for better results
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[20:20] <buttim> that's great info
[20:21] <ly2en> basically if you'd compare RTL_SDR with HackRF simply on the same antenna
[20:21] <ly2en> you would immediately know which one is which
[20:21] <buttim> do you know of any stupid-proof instructions to build one?
[20:21] <ly2en> the noise floor is way much lower for things in the range of 200EUR+
[20:21] <ly2en> you mean antenna? for sondes ?
[20:21] <buttim> filter
[20:22] <buttim> I built a Yagi which works quite well
[20:22] <buttim> and keeps me busy for a few hours trying to orient it, LOL
[20:22] <ly2en> so you say you threw 50 euros for the sdr?
[20:22] <ly2en> this is goin to be cheaper:
[20:22] <ly2en> https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=54
[20:23] <buttim> ugh, not really cheap
[20:23] <buttim> I mean for "just" a filter
[20:24] <ly2en> well, filter is it's secondary function
[20:24] <ly2en> it also preamplifies the signal, +21dB
[20:24] <buttim> true
[20:24] <buttim> wow
[20:24] <buttim> that's something
[20:24] <buttim> you're teasing me
[20:26] <ly2en> filters are quite simple schematics
[20:26] <ly2en> https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/filter/filter_4.html
[20:26] <ly2en> you could find a bandpass filter calculator and do the math for 403mhz
[20:27] <buttim> "Found Rafael Micro R820T tuner"
[20:27] <buttim> Supported gain values (29): 0.0 0.9 1.4 2.7 3.7 7.7 8.7 12.5 14.4 15.7 16.6 19.7 20.7 22.9 25.4 28.0 29.7 32.8 33.8 36.4 37.2 38.6 40.2 42.1 43.4 43.9 44.5 48.0 49.6
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[20:28] <ly2en> so for an rtl2832u it's probably same everywhere
[20:28] <ly2en> :)
[20:30] <ly2en> basically you still have some homework left to do
[20:31] <buttim> thanks for the infos
[20:31] <buttim> lol
[20:31] <buttim> I'll let you know if tonight I can catch the waves from some sonde
[20:31] <ly2en> yeah, post it to aprs-is
[20:31] <ly2en> do you have a ham radio callsign ?
[20:32] <buttim> nope
[20:33] <buttim> but my station is named like me here
[20:33] <buttim> not surprisingly
[20:33] <ly2en> allright, nice to meet you :)
[20:33] <buttim> Turin, Italy
[20:33] <buttim> it was a pleasure
[20:46] <ly2en> same here
[20:46] <ly2en> https://twitter.com/kelionebalionu/status/1387125095802486786
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[21:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K4UAH-5 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K4UAH-5
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[22:13] <Darkside> ly2en: bugger uploading to aprs-is, upload to sondehub :-)
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[22:43] <lorraine> Hi everyone, I just joined the channel so I wanted to make a quick introduction! My name is Lorraine Nicholson, I am the project manager of Overseer, an undergraduate high altitude ballooning initiative at the University of California - Los Angeles (UCLA). Were planning to launch our mission Pegasus in the beginning of Fall 2021. Our payload
[22:43] <lorraine> will contain a Flextrak tracking system and a scientific computer with a temperature sensor and camera. I look forward to potentially working with some of you!
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[23:01] <lu7abf> Data sent to aprs.fi records OK balloon, but it is not uploaded to habhub. Uploaded to aprs.fi: 2021-04-27 15:39:10 -03: VE3KCL-17>APRS,TCPIP*,qAR,LU7AA:/183909h4528.48N/17902.04WO000/000/A=009843 AN05LL 10.7<0xc2><0xb0>C 3.85V To:59<0xc2><0xb0> Asc:-0.03m/s V:219Km/h Sun:25.9<0xc2><0xb0> WSPR PicoBalloon
[23:01] <lu7abf> http://lu7aa.org/wsprfast.asp?other=VE3KCL&launch=20210204090000&balloonid=04&timeslot=4
[23:02] <lu7abf> Thanks for any answer, 73, lu7abf, Pedro
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[23:07] <lu7abf> aprs.fi entry can be checked with http://aprs.fi?call=ve3kcl-17
[23:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W0MB_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W0MB_chase
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[23:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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