highaltitude.log.20210316

[00:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB9RKU_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB9RKU_chase
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[04:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K4UAH-5 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K4UAH-5
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[05:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK3TWC_ChaseCar_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK3TWC_ChaseCar_chase
[05:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ICT6 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ICT6
[06:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE3KCL-17 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE3KCL-17
[06:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IDA-4FSK after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IDA-4FSK
[06:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KB6CAG-11 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB6CAG-11
[07:35] <ly2en> after 5 hours of sleep I am stil confused
[07:35] <ly2en> how come can a balloon be in two places at the same time
[07:36] <ly2en> a division error when calculating gridsquare?
[07:46] <SA6BSS-Mike1> what call is it under, cant find it on wspr as ly2en
[07:47] <ly2en> LY1BWB-12
[07:47] <ly2en> WSPR says it's in Alaska
[07:47] <ly2en> APRS says it's close to SFO
[07:48] <ly2en> https://www.aprsdirect.com/details/raw/sid/3421956
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[07:50] <SA6BSS-Mike1> Id say it in Alaska 100% the grid updates , all in the same place 
[07:50] <SA6BSS-Mike1> https://wsprnet.org/olddb?mode=html&band=all&limit=50&findcall=LY1BWB&findreporter=&sort=date
[07:50] <ly2en> and by looking at the APRS data? did somebody fake a balloon ?
[07:51] <SA6BSS-Mike1> but it tx wspr? so why go via aprs ?
[07:51] <SM0ULC-David> V:2053Km/h
[07:51] <ly2en> it's lightaprs-w - has both wspr and aprs
[07:51] <SM0ULC-David> kinda fast :)
[07:51] <ly2en> SM0ULC-David: the V is because it took the aprs data into account
[07:51] <SA6BSS-Mike1> but im quite sure its no aprs in bering sund
[07:52] <ly2en> 2021-03-15 20:31:13 EET: LY1BWB-12>APLIGA,WIDE2-1,qAR,K6EMU-15,W6PKT-5:=3736.30N/12756.00WO /A=029383 002TxC -56.40C 196.49hPa 4.72V 08S Mission: LKB-2 [Location changes too fast (adaptive limit)]
[07:52] <SA6BSS-Mike1> and wspr is consistand updating grids as it should,
[07:52] <ly2en> aprsdirect.com shows it was received directly by K6MEU-15, N6VUD-3 and W6PKT-5 over radio
[07:53] <ly2en> aprs data is consistant, altitude, speed measurements
[07:53] <ly2en> here: https://www.aprsdirect.com/details/statistics/sid/3421956
[07:55] <SA6BSS-Mike1> Id guess they uploaded old data, as the aprs have no timestamp in it it will look starange
[07:55] <SA6BSS-Mike1> https://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=LY1BWB-12&limit=25&view=normal
[07:55] <SA6BSS-Mike1> happend to me at least one time
[07:56] <SA6BSS-Mike1> it was there a cuple of days ago? where it gor those spots from?
[07:56] <ly2en> no idea
[07:57] <SA6BSS-Mike1> LY1BWB-12 was in that area you got thosew spots from just a couiple of days ago, correct?
[07:57] <ly2en> no
[07:57] <SM0ULC-David> it's pretty easy to mess up the timestamps
[07:57] <ly2en> it never reported anything souther than canada
[07:57] <ly2en> on WSPR
[07:58] <SA6BSS-Mike1> anyway, you can disregard those aprs, wspr tells the truth :)
[07:58] <ly2en> http://lu7aa.org/wspr.asp?other=ly1bwb&banda=20m&balloonid=&timeslot=&detail=on&launch=20210310070500&SSID=12&tracker=
[07:58] <ly2en> this is WSPR-only path
[07:59] <ly2en> so we're in a bad situation anyway, heading towards north pole
[07:59] <ly2en> can I just disregard the data? it looks authentic
[07:59] <ly2en> i mean, APRS data
[08:01] <SA6BSS-Mike1> yes
[08:01] <ly2en> SA6BSS-Mike1: by the way I have managed to use external 8mhz to fire up the ict, burned the bootloader, now trying to debug i2c
[08:01] <ly2en> at least 2 missions will be flying very soon based on ict
[08:02] <SA6BSS-Mike1> if you have the energy you can mail N6VUD and K6MEU and ask how they got the data, all are labled " Mission: LKB-2 "
[08:02] <ly2en> I sincerely do have the energy, why would they fake anything
[08:03] <SA6BSS-Mike1> not faking
[08:03] <ly2en> I only need to understand the circumstances under which such data can occur
[08:03] <SA6BSS-Mike1> the two staions that linked to aprs had one thing in common, Mission: LKB-2
[08:05] <SA6BSS-Mike1> all spots had this marking
[08:05] <ly2en> that is what the APRS beacon is sending on LY1BWB
[08:05] <ly2en> I wrote that.
[08:05] <SA6BSS-Mike1> ok
[08:06] <ly2en> it's the comment here:
[08:06] <ly2en> https://github.com/lightaprs/LightAPRS-W-1.0/blob/master/LightAPRS-W-pico-balloon/LightAPRS-W-pico-balloon.ino#L48
[08:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F4iop_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F4iop_chase
[08:08] <SA6BSS-Mike1> bottomline, aprs network is used for all sorts of mapping, sondes, boats, etc, quite a few scripts out there piping all sorts of data to the aprs map with operators that not always know hot to set those up
[08:08] <ly2en> ok roger
[08:08] <ly2en> WSPR seems authentic too and consistent with weather data
[08:08] <SA6BSS-Mike1> I guess you made a hysplit so you know what direction it would go
[08:08] <ly2en> 11km+ it's going north from alaska according to hysplit and simple models
[08:10] <ly2en> and funny thing that the aprs data is also consistent with weather and also my code on the balloon :)
[08:16] <ly2en> hysplit is here: https://twitter.com/kelionebalionu/status/1371736701853429761/photo/1
[08:19] <ly2en> SA6BSS-Mike1: I also had pirate WSPR transmissions pretending to be in North Korea, so... not fully trusting that either
[08:28] <SA6BSS-Mike1> yep, looking at it it looks strange indedd, did you notice the board was descending when the aprs data came in
[08:28] <SA6BSS-Mike1> https://tracker.sondehub.org/?sondehub=1#!mt=roadmap&mz=5&qm=All&mc=42.15949,-123.55088&q=ly1bwb-12
[08:28] <SA6BSS-Mike1> not that it mathers
[08:28] <SA6BSS-Mike1> and you only have one board flying
[08:28] <SA6BSS-Mike1> ?
[08:28] <ly2en> YES
[08:30] <ly2en> SA6BSS-Mike1: and yes, it was descending, sending what it looked like authentic aprs telemetry from our payload with 'Mission: LKB-2'
[08:30] <SA6BSS-Mike1> it does look like that indeed
[08:30] <SA6BSS-Mike1> that was around 20 cet
[08:31] <SA6BSS-Mike1> but then the wspr continued to after 00
[08:31] <SA6BSS-Mike1> cet
[08:31] <SA6BSS-Mike1> i can see the confusion
[08:31] <ly2en> i'm actually laughing now because this is quite an anomaly
[08:31] <SA6BSS-Mike1> so, did you get the oscillator.ino to run?
[08:32] <ly2en> SA6BSS-Mike1: something bad happens when i send the i2c commands over wire, will attach a protocol analyzer today
[08:32] <ly2en> checked all the scl sda pins, looks okay to me
[08:32] <ly2en> but like you've mentioned - its not verified to work
[08:32] <SA6BSS-Mike1> pullups on sda scl?
[08:32] <ly2en> the r1 and r3, yes
[08:32] <SA6BSS-Mike1> the only thing I mentiond not tested is the "large" 328 pcb
[08:32] <ly2en> sorry, r4
[08:33] <ly2en> so that's what I am testing now
[08:33] <SA6BSS-Mike1> oscillator runs no mather of speed
[08:33] <SA6BSS-Mike1> it juts work
[08:33] <ly2en> i have a hackrf tuned for 14097200 on my desk
[08:33] <ly2en> so i'd notice when it will run
[08:33] <SA6BSS-Mike1> and as you gave seen my code use a bit diffrent pinsetup compared to the original ict
[08:34] <ly2en> yeah, so i will check the enable pin maybe that's what missing (forgot to look at it yesterday)
[08:34] <ly2en> have a small DSO150 scope here so not much of a setup
[08:34] <ly2en> but slowly progressing
[08:40] <SA6BSS-Mike1> all files in the git should work 100% with the pcb in the git
[08:40] <SA6BSS-Mike1> do you hear the tcxo at 27Mhz?
[08:41] <ly2en> haven't tried but good point
[08:42] <ly2en> yep works like charm
[08:42] <ly2en> a good spike on the sd spectrum
[08:42] <ly2en> *sdr
[08:42] <SA6BSS-Mike1> put your thump on it
[08:42] <SA6BSS-Mike1> it should increase
[08:43] <SA6BSS-Mike1> also one of my fisrt misstakes, have you checked the brownout voltage?
[08:43] <SA6BSS-Mike1> set it at 1,8v
[08:47] <ly2en> done
[08:47] <ly2en> so now I have a carrier on 13992000
[08:47] <ly2en> but it does not turn off or on
[08:48] <SA6BSS-Mike1> I hope there is a hackrf in the mail today :) last one I got did not work
[08:48] <ly2en> my hackrf works like charm for years, field tested
[08:48] <SA6BSS-Mike1> nice!
[08:48] <LIERO> did you get the chinese one?
[08:49] <ly2en> i am also signalling on the pin 3 when the oscillator enters the loop
[08:49] <SA6BSS-Mike1> me? yes, the 2020 septemr one
[08:49] <ly2en> so it looks like it's looping but there is no change in the carrier signal
[08:49] <LIERO> oh, something new about it?
[08:49] <SA6BSS-Mike1> new rf frontend
[08:49] <SA6BSS-Mike1> sems to have been a problem with the original one
[08:50] <LIERO> hm
[08:50] <SA6BSS-Mike1> the carrier should be a 14095 something
[08:50] <SA6BSS-Mike1> I guess its just a spur from something else
[08:51] <SA6BSS-Mike1> I have to leave for work, l8er
[08:51] <ly2en> thanks
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[09:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Arnaud_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Arnaud_chase
[10:24] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS34 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS34
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[11:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OK2MNL-8 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OK2MNL-8
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[11:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SITS-JS4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITS-JS4
[11:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IZ7VHF-4 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IZ7VHF-4
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[12:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE3KCL-17 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE3KCL-17
[12:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Icarus - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Icarus
[12:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE3KCL-13 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE3KCL-13
[12:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VORTEX1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX1
[12:27] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03EVA1 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EVA1
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[12:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE3KCL-14 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE3KCL-14
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[12:57] <ly2en> SA6BSS-Mike1: do you use 3.3V for everything?
[12:57] <ly2en> I think the si5351 just got 5V and died
[12:58] <ly2en> over 30mA
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[14:22] <SA6BSS-Mike1> yes, 3,3v on everything
[14:22] <SA6BSS-Mike1> the 5351 does not like 5V but the few times I managed to supply 5v the y have survived
[14:23] <SA6BSS-Mike1> or technicly probably a bit more when supplied with 6 solar cells
[14:27] <ly2en> lol ok so the solar cells are 4.8 - probably should be fine
[14:27] <ly2en> otherwise I can always use a zener diode
[14:28] <SA6BSS-Mike1> more like 3,8V
[14:28] <SA6BSS-Mike1> or a ldo
[14:30] <SA6BSS-Mike1> 3,6-3,8v using 6x polycrystaline cells
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[14:41] <ly2en> any cells that you would recommend in particular? for 4.8 i'm using the mpt 50mA cells - 1.2g each
[14:53] <ly2en> https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/PowerFilm/MPT36-75 ?
[15:00] <LIERO> https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Aoshike-39x19mm-Polycrystalline-Silicone-Charger/dp/B01MRYYNNS
[15:00] <LIERO> I think this type is commonly used
[15:01] <LIERO> but I don't know how they solder them to guitar string, which is supposedly steel..
[15:10] <PE2BZ> Guitar string solders without any problems over here. Appears a bit brass, one hint, don´t cut it with pliers with solar cells attached !
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[16:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1agv_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1agv_chase
[17:22] <SA6BSS-Mike1> ly2en: see LIEROs link, thats what I use
[18:14] <ly2en> no UV protection?
[18:15] <SA6BSS-Mike1> ofc not?
[18:15] <SA6BSS-Mike1> why?
[18:20] <ly2en> i saw recommendations for uv protection on flights at 13+km
[18:21] <SA6BSS-Mike1> ok, I seen those to, dont see why , they are made to sit on roofs for 25-30 years in sun, its kind of their job :)
[18:22] <ly2en> well, make sense. I doubt UV kills solar cells in a month
[18:22] <SA6BSS-Mike1> and a nr of long duation flight have proven its not needed
[18:22] <SA6BSS-Mike1> indeed!
[18:22] <ly2en> roger, found the aoshike 39x39 on aliexpress
[18:22] <ly2en> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32887848113.html
[18:22] <ly2en> plenty of choices
[18:23] <SA6BSS-Mike1> lots of 39x19 as well
[18:24] <ly2en> 0.5A is a lot, wow
[18:24] <ly2en> powerfilm does 0.05A
[18:26] <SA6BSS-Mike1> yes, powerfilm , expensive, low efficensy and pain to fit, they just want to role up
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[19:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K4UAH-6 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K4UAH-6
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[23:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB9RKU_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB9RKU_chase
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[23:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LU1ESY-14 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LU1ESY-14
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