highaltitude.log.20210206

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[04:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VK3ZWI-3 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK3ZWI-3
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[05:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SA6BSS-8 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SA6BSS-8
[07:29] <Darkside> SA6BSS-Mike: omg getting the neck lift on those balloons right is a PITA
[07:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> no, not realy
[07:29] <Darkside> i mean
[07:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> just use a 0,1gram scale and tape ahook on top
[07:30] <Darkside> trying to get two balloons equal
[07:30] <SA6BSS-Mike> it can be a bit timeconsuming
[07:30] <Darkside> got there in the end : https://photos.app.goo.gl/9DAsbo363dTk7sUT7
[07:30] <Darkside> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Xq3jKWC6nvCaUXnA8
[07:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes! thats exactly how Im doing it :)
[07:31] <Darkside> i ended up putting the entire payload on top of the scale, and doing a direct measurement of the free lift
[07:31] <Darkside> zeroed out the clips im using, and put a tiny bit of velcro on the payload so it sticks to the scales
[07:31] <Darkside> i put too much gas in the balloon so had to tip upside down
[07:31] <Darkside> and watch the scale as it leaked out
[07:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> you dont need any isolation (fyi) just let it fly naked :)
[07:31] <Darkside> this isnt your payload, this is a RS41 :P
[07:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> use a starv and suck out the HE
[07:32] <Darkside> starv?
[07:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> :)
[07:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> straw
[07:32] <Darkside> oh lol
[07:32] <Darkside> i have a bunch of 6mm clear tube im using
[07:32] <Darkside> you can see it on the table
[07:32] <Darkside> my dining room table
[07:32] <Darkside> which is currently covered in balloons
[07:32] <Darkside> (i am ok with this)
[07:33] <Darkside> do the balloons look about right?
[07:33] <Darkside> also how do you tie off to the balloons nicely?
[07:33] <SA6BSS-Mike> hang on I have just hooked up netgear r7000 for jtag....
[07:33] <Darkside> anothe rquestion: how sensitive are the balloons to handling?
[07:33] <Darkside> i was a bit... rough in doing this experiment
[07:35] <Darkside> also the warm iron sealing solution works great, i tried it out on a cut off bit of neck and it was easy
[07:35] <ON3JT> "fly naked", "i was a bit rough" we're still talking balloons? :-)
[07:35] <Darkside> ON3JT: don't kink shame
[07:35] <Darkside> :P
[07:36] <Darkside> but yes, balloons
[07:36] <Darkside> im trying out this pico balloon lark... with a 50g paylod
[07:36] <Darkside> (lol)
[07:36] <SA6BSS-Mike> the balloons are quite sturdy, never manage to burst one on flight no mather how I handeled them
[07:36] <Darkside> ok
[07:36] <Darkside> well
[07:36] <SA6BSS-Mike> make the legs 507 cm each
[07:37] <Darkside> when the weather is not shit, ill try and launch a RS41 and see if/where it floats
[07:37] <Darkside> yeah launching your payload comes later :P
[07:37] <Darkside> once i figure out WTF im doing here
[07:37] <SA6BSS-Mike> top one should have a support line of fishingline as light you can find, im using 0,07mm
[07:37] <SA6BSS-Mike> well, note the 507cm , thats importent
[07:37] <Darkside> yep
[07:38] <Darkside> i cant launch your payload until i have solar panels anyway
[07:38] <Darkside> and they are probably a month away
[07:38] <Darkside> so im going to practice with some RS41s first
[07:38] <Darkside> id live to float one all the way interstate
[07:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> I make a loop of the fishingline , folding the bottom sealing and iron a fold in which I put the loop
[07:38] <Darkside> love*
[07:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> one small drop of superglue
[07:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> and a couple of small tapes holding it
[07:39] <Darkside> hmm all that subtracks from the neck lift
[07:39] <Darkside> what ascent rate do you generally end up with?
[07:39] <Darkside> 'slow'
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[07:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> you can ad 0,1 gram for clue and tapes
[07:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> *glue
[07:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> 0.8-1m/s
[07:40] <SA6BSS-Mike> it not linear
[07:40] <SA6BSS-Mike> but you know it correct if you get about 600m in 10min
[07:40] <Darkside> ok
[07:40] <SA6BSS-Mike> in the span 3000-8000m
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[07:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F1TKE_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F1TKE_chase
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[08:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB6TOU-13 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB6TOU-13
[08:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2KDD-15 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2KDD-15
[08:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03AB5SS-12 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AB5SS-12
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[08:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL7AD-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL7AD-11
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[10:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BZ-TTGO-L - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BZ-TTGO-L
[10:17] <SM0ULC-David> hello
[10:17] <PE2BZ> Good morning
[10:49] <Darkside> so yep, RS41 can run off 1xAA
[10:49] <Darkside> if you bypass all the power switch crap
[10:50] <Darkside> i suspect it wont run for all that long, but it will run
[10:50] <Darkside> https://photos.app.goo.gl/nSRbiVbZT4QTj4FeA
[10:52] <Darkside> i'm guessing someon eelse has tried this before
[10:54] <PE2BZ> Tried yes, succesful ? no...
[10:55] <Darkside> ahh
[10:55] <PE2BZ> No stepup at all ?
[10:55] <Darkside> well, im feeding the battery direct into the input of the TPS61200
[10:55] <Darkside> which *is* a stepup
[10:55] <PE2BZ> Smart :-)
[10:55] <Darkside> ive bypassed all the input stuff, which has the potential to result in voltage drop before the stepup
[10:55] <Darkside> so maybe that will work better?
[10:56] <Darkside> it was running down to 1V
[10:56] <PE2BZ> How many hours ?
[10:56] <Darkside> uhhh
[10:56] <Darkside> yeah dunno yet lol
[10:56] <Darkside> i was just going to throw one up and see what happens
[10:56] <PE2BZ> Balloons are ready :-)
[10:56] <Darkside> https://photos.app.goo.gl/x54geL8CUMat9Z43A
[10:57] <Darkside> if it lasts long enough to see if those get into a float then i'd be happy
[10:57] <Darkside> its too gusty to launch anything at the moment though
[10:57] <PE2BZ> 24 gram total ?
[10:58] <Darkside> 34g
[10:58] <PE2BZ> 6100 m :-)
[10:58] <Darkside> including bubble wrap and string
[10:59] <Darkside> aha you've done this before :P
[10:59] <PE2BZ> What do you wear now ?
[10:59] <Darkside> none of your business :P
[10:59] <PE2BZ> This adds to the ¨rough handling¨ part ;-)
[11:00] <PE2BZ> Over here we are expecting ¨a lot of snow¨ so I placed my LoRa barometer out on the roof in a microwave bowl.
[11:01] <Darkside> so you've done al aunch with these balloons?
[11:01] <PE2BZ> Yes
[11:01] <Darkside> nice
[11:01] <Darkside> i figure this has all been done before
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[11:02] <PE2BZ> with 60 gram, 4500 m, with 45 gram. 5300 m, and 0 meter when the balloon touced the guitar wire GPS antenna string.
[11:02] <Darkside> haha
[11:02] <Darkside> was that with two balloons?
[11:02] <PE2BZ> Happysat flew to the UK with 6 small party number balloons.
[11:03] <PE2BZ> Yes. wspr goes with 1 balloon, RS41 I usually use 2, either Chinese or qualatex / grabo foil. The clear balloons keep their altitude better over night as silver / gold do
[11:04] <Darkside> ok
[11:04] <Darkside> i may try a launch with a full-size RS41 (2xAAs) and a long gap between transmissions
[11:04] <PE2BZ> go for it :-) hope the wind calms down
[11:05] Action: PE2BZ is grabbing an RS41 and looking for the magical 1.5 V point.
[11:06] <Darkside> i've sealed up those balloons, so i kind of have to launch them now lol
[11:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 034FSKTEST after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4FSKTEST
[11:18] <Darkside> PE2BZ: https://photos.app.goo.gl/uK7EeiN9Mua33RaKA
[11:20] <Darkside> hmm
[11:20] <Darkside> so maybe something isnt quit right
[11:20] <Darkside> it stopped transmitting after a bit
[11:21] <Darkside> or maybe i bumped something
[11:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W5KUB-24 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5KUB-24
[11:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[12:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PE2BZ-4FSK - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PE2BZ-4FSK
[12:24] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DL1XH-4FSK after 039 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL1XH-4FSK
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[13:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N6RRY-11 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N6RRY-11
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[14:19] <PE2BZ> Darkside, running 2 hours now on one used battery :-) 5 min interval, powersave enabled with beeps every 30 seconds
[14:20] <g7gpr> @darkside What does the chasemapper "Mark Recovered" button do? where is that list recorded?
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[14:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> brrhh could outside, had to take the mast down, burde the preamp the other day, but was lucky it was only a cap that i could solder back in.
[14:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> burde=burned
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[14:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> yep, coold , - 18 last night!
[14:39] <HotaruT> g7gpr: looking at the source: posted to habitat.habhub.org https://github.com/projecthorus/chasemapper/blob/master/horusmapper.py#L685 https://github.com/projecthorus/chasemapper/blob/master/chasemapper/habitat.py#L84
[14:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> tjena, not that cold here. put too much power into the 70cm preamp the other day, so my own fault. but looks like its working again.
[14:40] <SA6BSS-Mike> cool!
[14:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> was trying to work vk4eme, and didnt think about the power limits of the preamp :-)
[14:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> better start looking for another preamp that can handle the power.
[15:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W3UAV-15 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W3UAV-15
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[15:45] <g7gpr> HotaruT : Yes - I see that, but I wonder, where does it show up in Habhub?
[15:52] <HotaruT> g7gpr: after looking around for half an hour.. I still can not answer that. Do you know a sonde which was 'Mark Recovered'?
[15:53] <g7gpr> S3010105
[15:53] <g7gpr> It is on my desk...
[15:57] <g7gpr> Thank you for looking.
[16:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KN4JLK-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KN4JLK-11
[17:03] <HotaruT> g7gpr: digging deeper, something feels off. static/js/tables.js line 38, inits _recovery_data my_call, payload_call, recovery_title: sonde-call " recovered by " chase-call, position, message. title and message can be edited, but edited title goes into "title" instead of "recovery_title" and this variable is not used anymore. neither is my_call or payload_call. data is then sent to habitat couchdb:
[17:03] <HotaruT> initListenerCallsign stores a "listener_information" with callsign "S3010105 recovered by G7GPR", antenna "Recovered at 2021-02-06 06:35Z", and "radio" set to your message.. which was empty? .. the position gets posted by uploadListenerPosition into listener_telemetry .. with the same callsing, chase=false, and lat/lon/alt info
[17:04] <HotaruT> g7gpr: short: there is your data: http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/1bba1c6a65a5f58f0ac5d0c8a77bc3f1 and http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/1bba1c6a65a5f58f0ac5d0c8a77bbbf3
[17:07] <g7gpr> OK - thank you.
[17:07] <HotaruT> ... currently in the couchdb there are 69 recoveries, 64 different sondes, by 14 different callsigns.
[17:08] <g7gpr> OK - so some have been recovered twice...
[17:08] <HotaruT> I think this is not working as intended, or just unfinished. I could not find this info anywhere else then quering the couchdb directly
[17:10] <g7gpr> How do you "use" couchDb - or is there any docs?
[17:10] <HotaruT> https://habitat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/database.html
[17:14] <HotaruT> inspired by https://github.com/philcrump/habrotate/blob/master/cli/habrotate-cli.py#L64 I just made a wget on http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/listener_information/_view/time_created_callsign and got thrown 52 MB of data. grep on recovered and got your recovery as last entry. use the id to construct the document link above. quering listener_telemetry after some tries with
[17:14] <HotaruT> http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/listener_telemetry/_view/callsign_time_created?startkey=[%22S3010105%20recovered%20by%20G7GPR%22]&endkey=[%22S3010105%20recovered%20by%20G7GPR%22,[]]&include_docs=True and got the location
[17:15] <HotaruT> [maybe I should note.. I think it is my first time quering a couchdb]
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[17:23] <HotaruT> and yay for all of it being opensource that someone can actually anwser the question "what does this button do?" in exhaustive detail (:
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[18:09] <happysat> let is snow lol https://imgur.com/sg6Uqwg
[18:16] <dbrooke> HotaruT: g7gpr: it does appear on the map https://stuff.dbrooke.me.uk/sp-CSikwq.png
[18:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0AWK-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0AWK-9
[18:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0AWK-14 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0AWK-14
[18:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CC4XYZ - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CC4XYZ
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[19:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-80 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-80
[19:10] <HotaruT> dbrooke: oha...
[19:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0AWK-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0AWK-13
[19:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0AWK-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0AWK-3
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[19:29] <g7gpr> I agree, being open source is very helpful.
[19:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K4UAH-4 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K4UAH-4
[19:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0AWK-10 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0AWK-10
[19:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0AWK-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0AWK-11
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[19:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 034FSKTEST after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4FSKTEST
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[20:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0AWK-4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0AWK-4
[20:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0AWK-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0AWK-2
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[20:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD9PII_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD9PII_chase
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[23:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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