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[02:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N2NXZ_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N2NXZ_chase
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[03:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK3TWC_ChaseCar_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK3TWC_ChaseCar_chase
[03:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB8ELK-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-11
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[04:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KP3FT_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KP3FT_chase
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[08:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB
[08:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB-P39 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-P39
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[08:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K4UAH-4 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K4UAH-4
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[10:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PH1M_NO_GPS after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PH1M_NO_GPS
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[10:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HORUSBINARY after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSBINARY
[10:30] <Darkside> PE2BZ: do you know a PA9K? I think their auto_Rx station rtlsdr is extremely off-frequency
[11:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VK3ZWI-3 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK3ZWI-3
[11:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD8YQL_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD8YQL_chase
[11:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DL6OW after 0313 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL6OW
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[11:52] <PE2BZ> Darkside, I know him, will try to reach him.
[11:53] <Darkside> his station was reporting a 403 MHz iMet on 402.930 MHz
[11:54] <Darkside> which suggests his SDR is way off
[11:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N2NXZ_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N2NXZ_chase
[12:17] <PE2BZ> Darkside, PA9K-3 ? Or the PA9K ?
[12:17] <Darkside> -3
[12:19] <PE2BZ> Now reporting Essen at 405.231
[12:20] <Darkside> heh
[12:20] <Darkside> yeah they need to fix their station
[12:28] <PE2BZ> Now solving :-)
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[12:58] <PE2BZ> Darkside, solved!
[12:58] <Lahti> qfacone antenna, no lna https://tracker.sondehub.org/?sondehub=1#!mt=osm&mz=7&qm=All&f=RS_S5150759&q=RS_S5150759
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[14:06] <SM0ULC-D1vid> haha, awesome, searched google on "qfacone antenna"
[14:06] <SM0ULC-D1vid> 1st hit, Lathi and his cone :D
[14:08] <SM0ULC-D1vid> Lahti: tried your helix with a standard dish?
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[14:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wspttn1 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wspttn1
[14:25] <Lahti> is a self-made cone, diameter 70cm
[14:27] <Lahti> https://aijaa.com/5QRLgQ
[14:28] <Lahti> https://aijaa.com/MJkD9h
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[14:40] <SM0ULC-D1vid> ohh, nice
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[14:41] <SM0ULC-D1vid> what kind of beamwidth, 90 degrees?
[14:42] <SM0ULC-D1vid> designed for stationary (non motorized tracking)?
[14:43] <Lahti> although the same frequency so well grabs from Latvia https://aijaa.com/c9vRSC
[14:44] <Lahti> fixed south, elevation 6 meters above the ground
[14:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB1KVR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB1KVR
[15:00] <SM0ULC-D1vid> nice project
[15:22] <kc2pit> Is predict.habhub.org having trouble updating its wind data? It seems to get angry about running out of it if I ask for predictions that run beyond 12:00 on 5 Feb, and its predictions for dates before that haven't changed in a few days.
[15:22] <PE2BZ> Short answer: Yes it is.
[15:23] <PE2BZ> I quote: ¨its an artefact of degraded performance of the servers supplying the GFS model, and the downloader not retrying enough , at least it looks like that¨
[15:23] <kc2pit> OK, as long as I'm not just being stupid.
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[17:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AIRCOR-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AIRCOR-1
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[17:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB6TOU-13 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB6TOU-13
[17:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03hera-three-test - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=hera-three-test
[17:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-80 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-80
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[17:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HERA_THREE - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HERA_THREE
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[18:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N2NXZ_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N2NXZ_chase
[18:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 0326011b03 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=26011b03
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[19:47] <Highpersonix1> evening
[19:47] <Highpersonix1> does anyone know why predict.habhub.org doesn't update the weather model?
[19:49] <Highpersonix1> it seems stuck on jan 28th
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[19:56] <PE2BZ> I quote: ¨its an artefact of degraded performance of the servers supplying the GFS model, and the downloader not retrying enough , at least it looks like that¨
[20:01] <Highpersonix1> ok, how do i as a user work around that?
[20:04] <happysat> https://www.hetamsterdamschevoetbal.nl/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/glazen-bol-2-1.jpg
[20:13] <Highpersonix1> is there any predictor available that has a current model?
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[20:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC0BQB_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC0BQB_chase
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[20:33] <Highpersonix1> Or is there any way to install a local predictor for yourself?
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[20:45] <kc2pit> There's a list of predictors on https://www.overlookhorizon.com/how-to-launch-weather-balloons/flight-predictions/ that I've been poking through.
[20:46] <kc2pit> I'm trying to figure out what parameters to stick in those to match a NOAA radiosonde launch, which I had pretty well figured out for habhub's predictor.
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[20:52] <Highpersonix1> thanks
[20:53] <Highpersonix1> you can set all kinds of parameters there that i don't know, but it doesn't tell you how old the weather data is
[21:04] <Darkside> Highpersonix1: chasemapper can run with an offline predictor
[21:05] <Darkside> and cusf_predictor_wrapper can be used to run predictions and produce KM Lfiles
[21:05] <Darkside> KML files*
[21:06] <Darkside> the wind data downloader included with that seems to be doing a better job than tiamat at the moment
[21:06] <Highpersonix1> yes, it does
[21:06] <Highpersonix1> chasemapper is up to date
[21:06] <Darkside> https://github.com/darksidelemm/cusf_predictor_wrapper/
[21:06] <Highpersonix1> but chasemapper does not allow predictions on non-flying things ^^
[21:07] <Darkside> hence the other link
[21:07] <Darkside> in fact, you already have cusf_predictor_wrapper lying around probably
[21:07] <Highpersonix1> yea, it runs on my py
[21:07] <Highpersonix1> pi
[21:07] <Darkside> "There is also a command-line utility, predict.py, which allows performing predictions with launch parameter variations:"
[21:08] <Darkside> look right down the bottom of https://github.com/darksidelemm/cusf_predictor_wrapper/
[21:08] <Highpersonix1> yes
[21:08] <Highpersonix1> i'm not very good with the cli stuf
[21:08] <Highpersonix1> f
[21:08] <Darkside> welll
[21:08] <Darkside> thats what you get at the moment
[21:08] <Darkside> sorry
[21:09] <Highpersonix1> i'd love button on chasemapper that lets me input a dummy sonde
[21:09] <Darkside> not happening
[21:09] <Darkside> chasemapper is a live chase mapping utility
[21:09] <Highpersonix1> but it basically presses f5 on tawhiri for you
[21:10] <Darkside> i thought you had offline predictions going?
[21:10] <Highpersonix1> yes, but only for balloons that are currently in the air and rxd by my rtlsdr
[21:13] <Highpersonix1> adding a "future balloons" prediction functionality on the map ui would eliminate the need for a second website like predict.habhub
[21:13] <Darkside> sure, but it means you have wind data downloading sorted, and you have cusf_predictor_wrapper avilable
[21:13] <Darkside> yes, but it would mean you would need to download a whole weeks of wind data instead of the ~12 hours or so you need to just look at whats in the air now
[21:14] <Highpersonix1> ouch
[21:14] <Highpersonix1> ok, fair point
[21:14] <Darkside> this is why the week-long predictions are usually run on a server somewhere
[21:15] <Highpersonix1> ok, that adds a rather gnarly time axis to the problem
[21:15] <Darkside> but as i've said, if you have wind data, and you have cusf_predictor_wrapper installed, you can run:
[21:15] <Darkside> python3 predict.py --latitude=-34.9499 --longitude=138.5194 -a 5 -d 7.5 -b 26000 --time "2018-01-27 11:15Z"
[21:16] <Darkside> thats from the cusf_predictor_wrapper/apps directory, and you need wind data available in cusf_predictor_wrapper/apps/gfs/
[21:16] <Highpersonix1> and it will throw me a kml file
[21:16] <Darkside> it will save prediction.kml to disk, yes
[21:16] <Highpersonix1> which i can then put into a map of my choosing
[21:16] <Darkside> there are a bunch of other utilities to to produce data for radiosonde launches too
[21:16] <Darkside> https://rfhead.net/sondes/adelaide/
[21:17] <Darkside> this webpage is generated using data produced using the sonde_predict.py script
[21:17] <Darkside> the code for that webpage is sitting here too: https://github.com/darksidelemm/cusf_predictor_wrapper/tree/master/apps/web
[21:17] <Highpersonix1> so, what's with all the options of balloon weights etc, is the chasemapper predictor just not that sophisticated?
[21:17] <Darkside> oh you'r eplaying with the soton predictor
[21:18] <Darkside> imo the soton predictor is an academic exercise
[21:18] <Darkside> its way too complicated, for not much return
[21:18] <Highpersonix1> i also found those in the tawhiri source
[21:19] <Darkside> i dont know much about whats going on within tawhiri
[21:19] <Darkside> so cant help there
[21:20] <Highpersonix1> what does the rfhead.net/sondes run as backend?
[21:20] <Highpersonix1> because that looks exactly like something i'd want for germany
[21:22] <Highpersonix1> the code for that webpage is sitting here too: <--nvm
[21:23] <Darkside> it runs a bash script which downloads wind data for the week, runs the sonde_predict.py script with some parameters, then copies the resultant sonde_predictions.json file into the relevant webpage directory
[21:24] <Darkside> for the default launch-every-12-hours flights you could be using something like: python sonde_predict.py --latitude=-12.4246 --longitude=130.8928 -s Darwin
[21:24] <Darkside> but you can get more complicated than that: python sonde_predict.py --latitude=-37.6902 --longitude=144.9477 -s Broadmeadows --time="00:00Z" --step=24 --burstalt=30000 --descentrate=4
[21:24] <Highpersonix1> the args to not download the whole world are the delta in get_wind_data?
[21:25] <Darkside> (launching at 00Z every day, but with a higher than default burst altitude, and slower descent rate
[21:25] <Darkside> Highpersonix1: yes
[21:25] <Darkside> i run this command to grab all of australia at the moment: python bin/get_wind_data.py --lat=-26.0 --lon=134.0 --latdelta=20 --londelta=30 -f 192 -m 0p25_1hr --wait=180
[21:26] <Darkside> the --wait command makes the downloader sit there until the model is available, or timeout
[21:26] <Highpersonix1> how much is that in gigabytes ^^
[21:26] <Darkside> uhm
[21:26] <Darkside> not sure what the download is, but whats sitting on disk is ~5gb
[21:27] <Darkside> you wouldnt need anywhere near as much lat/lon delta though
[21:27] <Highpersonix1> yea, germany is not that big
[21:27] <Highpersonix1> need to include belgium and the netherlands here
[21:27] <Highpersonix1> they be throwin' dem o3 sondes like crazy
[21:33] <Highpersonix1> how do i access the web ui?
[21:33] <Highpersonix1> can't see the port
[21:35] <Darkside> its not served up
[21:35] <Darkside> you need to serve that directory up yourself
[21:36] <Darkside> you can run a very simple web server with python: python3 -m http.server (from within that web directory)
[21:38] <Darkside> in my case i already had a webserver running on a server elsewhere, so i just copied the files to that
[21:39] <Highpersonix1> is it possible to use the one running the chasemapper, just on a different port?
[21:40] <Highpersonix1> it's all supposed to be run locally, anyway
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[21:56] <Highpersonix1> ok, thank you, all in all that has helped me a lot
[21:56] <Highpersonix1> i just asked the wrong questions
[21:57] <Highpersonix1> i can now locally automate my launch site predictions without having to rely on anything other than the weather guys
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