highaltitude.log.20201230

[00:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Nocall55_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Nocall55_chase
[00:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HAPPYSAT-4FSK - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HAPPYSAT-4FSK
[00:30] <Bernd_DL1XH> any clue why this data is not shown on tracker.habhub anymore? 2020-12-30 00:28:08,290 INFO: Habitat - Uploaded sentence: $$IDA-4FSK,298,00:27:40,55.05247,8.95421,6823,6,13,-38,2.59*CC43
[00:30] <Bernd_DL1XH> ist stopped 27m ago
[00:32] <PC4L> same problem I had. the GPS time on his latest ¨fix¨ is in the future
[00:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KO6FE-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KO6FE-11
[00:33] <PC4L> 30-12-2020 09:20:52
[00:35] <happysat> does it only happens with powersave settings enabled.?
[00:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W0MB_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W0MB_chase
[00:36] <Bernd_DL1XH> ah yes, now I see it on the website
[00:36] <PC4L> <Darkside> i have seen the GPS come out of deep sleep starting from 00:00
[00:36] <PC4L> <Darkside> but... not with a competely incorrect time
[00:36] <PC4L> <Darkside> so yeah, i dunno :/
[00:36] <PC4L> <Darkside> maybe better off using powersave mode instead of deep sleep
[00:36] <PC4L> <Darkside> power consumption when in low power tracking mode isn't *too* bad
[00:36] <PC4L> <PC4L> Will try that later.. deep sleep is amazing, for now I MUST see how long it will sent on one li-ion
[00:36] <PC4L> <Darkside> hmm, tDop only affects the timepulse output
[00:36] <PC4L> <Darkside> not time/date
[00:36] <PC4L> <Darkside> soooooo *shrug*
[00:37] <PC4L> work in progress :)
[00:38] <happysat> yea ;)
[00:39] <Bernd_DL1XH> schoudersophalend :-)
[00:40] <PC4L> hihihi
[00:40] <PC4L> never used that word before
[00:41] <Bernd_DL1XH> Achselzucken... not much better in german though :-)
[00:44] <Darkside> Bernd_DL1XH: might be better off using powersave mode instead of deep sleep
[00:44] <Darkside> its kind of difficult to know if the time is valud
[00:44] <Darkside> what you're going to see from now is the track progressing outwards from where the balloon shows up
[00:45] <Bernd_DL1XH> I am ok at the moment - that messages goes to Chrischan
[00:54] <Bernd_DL1XH> just now it hit me as well... still receiving, but not on display
[00:54] <Bernd_DL1XH> Habitat - Uploaded sentence: $$DL1XH-4FSK,297,00:47:07,54.71897,9.21991,6030,10,9,-37,2.67*45FC
[00:56] <Darkside> yeah... somehow it got a GPS time of 11:45
[00:56] <Darkside> Bernd_DL1XH: what did you see in the log in horus-gui?
[00:56] <Darkside> sequence number 296
[00:57] <Bernd_DL1XH> yes, I can see that on the website
[00:59] <Bernd_DL1XH> I am not using the GUI (just a few minutes today) need to check the demodlib on rpi
[01:00] <Darkside> ahh only recently added in logging to that again
[01:00] <Darkside> "$$DL1XH-4FSK,264,22:33:44,0.00000,0.00000,6532,0,0,-40,2.63*6A75"
[01:00] <Darkside> hmm
[01:00] <Darkside> in deep sleep mode, that really shouldnt happen
[01:01] <Darkside> and i dont see a sentence with ID of 296 showing up in the telemetry exporter :/
[01:02] <Darkside> but it definitely made it into habitat :/
[01:02] <Bernd_DL1XH> and I don´t find a log ./
[01:02] <Bernd_DL1XH> pi@horus:~/horusdemodlib $ ./start_dual_rx.sh
[01:02] <Darkside> yes, i know
[01:02] <Darkside> because it wasnt in horusdemodlib until recently
[01:02] <Darkside> like, last week
[01:03] <Darkside> oh wait
[01:03] <Darkside> maybe not even then
[01:04] <Darkside> ok yep its there in the latest commit
[01:04] <Darkside> but you need to add --log mylogfilename.log to the command
[01:04] <Darkside> i should just add that by default..
[01:05] <Bernd_DL1XH> ok, i´ll do that ... or wait for your update
[01:05] <Darkside> hold on..
[01:05] <Darkside> depending on hwo you installed horusdemodlib, a git pull should do it
[01:06] <Darkside> if you did the whole pip install -e . thing then git pull and a restart of th decoder will do it
[01:08] <Darkside> Bernd_DL1XH: can you run 'git log' in your RS41HUP directory and see what the latest date is?
[01:14] <Bernd_DL1XH> well... this is git on win10, last update dec 21
[01:14] <Darkside> hmm ok
[01:14] <Darkside> thats the last batch of changes i made :/
[01:14] <Darkside> it really shouldn't come out of deep sleep mode with a zero lat/lon...
[01:14] <Darkside> theres checks in place to avoid that...
[01:15] <Darkside> hmm
[01:15] <Darkside> you dont have powersave mode *and* deep sleep mode enabled do you?
[01:28] <Bernd_DL1XH> see email, i am going to deep sleep now, tnx for all your efforts
[01:28] <Darkside> cya
[02:10] <Darkside> Bernd_DL1XH: maybe fixed it
[02:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ROXSONDE3_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ROXSONDE3_chase
[02:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N0CALL_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N0CALL_chase
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[03:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W5kub_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5kub_chase
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[04:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K7IRK-7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K7IRK-7
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[09:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO4AS-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO4AS-11
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[10:05] <michal_f> do4as - does anyone know any detail of this payload ? seems to be APRS only
[10:09] <Darkside> .. it probably is APRS only
[10:09] <Darkside> theres lots of APRS-only launches which we never hear about here
[10:13] <michal_f> hey Mark. I've seen your car window panel for coax'es. Nice idea
[10:13] <SM0ULC-David> any pic? :)
[10:14] <Darkside> https://twitter.com/vk5qi/status/1344177070562131969
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[10:14] <DK6OV> GM
[10:14] <Darkside> note that this is just for the kerberos-sdr coaxes. I already have a bunch of permanently mounted antennas and coaxes entering the car through another cable gland
[10:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KB6CAG-15 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB6CAG-15
[10:17] <Chrischan> DO4AS is an aircraft that regularly makes sightseeing flights over Berlin
[10:18] <DK6OV> What is HabHub ist showing about IDA-4FSK. The Telemetrie Graph shows, that it is flying again. And that I am receiving it. But I have not receive it for hours.
[10:19] <Darkside> Chrischan: hmm the profile on this one looks a bit balloonish
[10:20] <Darkside> Chrischan: did you put up anotehr one?
[10:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 034FSKTEST after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4FSKTEST
[10:22] <Darkside> DK6OV: there is another one up, but you might also be looking at some old data. refresh yout page
[10:22] <Darkside> there was an issue this morning that i worked around
[10:24] <Chrischan> sorry, I confused do4as.
[10:25] <Chrischan> started a second IDA-4FSK
[10:25] <Darkside> i see ou are running power save mode
[10:25] <Darkside> so no deep sleep this time?
[10:27] <DK6OV> I restart my Browser, but still the same picture. The number of receivers changed from time to time, but still nothing to receive here.
[10:28] <Darkside> ahh
[10:28] <Darkside> ok refreshed, and i see the same thing here
[10:29] <Darkside> oh hmm, it looks like we had anotehr packet with an incorrect tiemstamp
[10:29] <Darkside> and this one is too close to 'now' for it to be filtered out
[10:29] <Chrischan> no, no deep sleep, just save energy without saving energy because the interval is too short.
[10:30] <Darkside> so there was definitely an issue with deep sleep mode where it was producing packets with messed up times
[10:30] <Darkside> which is causing all sorts of fun issues in the maps
[10:31] <Darkside> i this case, the problem was this teleemtry set: {"position_id":"69850254","mission_id":"0","vehicle":"IDA-4FSK","server_time":"2020-12-30 02:30:24.565338","gps_time":"2020-12-30
[10:31] <Darkside> 10:48:30","gps_lat":"55.01002","gps_lon":"9.04733","gps_alt":"7004","gps_heading":"","gps_speed":"","picture":"","temp_inside":"","data":{"battery":"2.59","satellites":10,"radio_temp":-37,"gps_error":10},"callsign":"AA1@434.660, PA1SDB-H, DL1XH, DL1XH1, DK6OV","sequence":"367"},
[10:31] <Darkside> pretty sure thats from the previous flight, but has a dud timestamp of 10:48Z
[10:31] <Darkside> i suspect in 20 minutes, the balloon will jump back to where it actually is
[10:32] <DK6OV> Ok, now I received the first frame from the real flight.
[10:32] <Darkside> though a bit later on, it will happen again, because of anotehr dud sentence with a timestamp around 11:40Z or so, which I saw earlier
[10:32] <Darkside> Chrischan: so yeah, sorry, it looks like deep sleep mode isn't working right
[10:34] <DK6OV> But HabHub is showing the balloon at a false position. It looks like it showing some old data from yesterday.
[10:34] <Darkside> DK6OV: the payload emitted a packet with a timestamp in the future
[10:35] <Darkside> habhub plot data in time order
[10:35] <Darkside> well, time-reported-by-payload order
[10:35] <Chrischan> no problem, not everything can work right away (:
[10:35] <Darkside> so... if there was a position transmitted with a time well into the future (in this case, 10:48Z, and it's currently 10:28Z), then that is where the balloon is going to appear, until that time is passed
[10:37] <DK6OV> Yes, I see. It's about 1 hour in the future. The time stamp of the new flight seems to be right.
[10:37] <Darkside> this is a proble with deep sleep mode on RS41HUP it seems
[10:40] <Darkside> i did patch the habhub map (well, the backend part of it) to filter out positions more than 1 hour into the future.. but when that position is within that 1 hour window, its going to show up like this
[10:43] <DK6OV> IDA-4FSK has still -0.2 Elevation here, but HORUS GUI still capture it. :-)
[10:43] <Darkside> its all about the SNR...
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[10:51] <Darkside> there we go... IDA-4FSK/RTTY just jumped position
[11:02] <SM0ULC-David> Darkside: nice one! actually have a 19" bnc-plate that i can use right away
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[11:39] <Bernd_DL1XH2> darkside: My time stamp is still in the future, i am curious what will happen in 5 minutes when it is reached
[11:39] <Darkside> hehe
[11:39] <Darkside> the balloon will move to the new location
[11:39] <Darkside> we saw it a little while ago with IDA-4FSK/RTTY
[11:39] <Bernd_DL1XH2> fingers crossed
[11:40] <Bernd_DL1XH2> yeh, me too
[11:41] <SM0ULC-David> both at .660 ?
[11:41] <Bernd_DL1XH2> yes
[11:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[11:43] <SM0ULC-David> nice, i'll prepare in case they reach stockholm area
[11:46] <Bernd_DL1XH2> Hej David,thanks!
[11:47] <Bernd_DL1XH2> and here we go, the balloon just moved to Sweden :-)
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[11:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[12:05] <SA6BSS-Mike1> I see it in the waterfall now but the yagi is more to the wes
[12:05] <SA6BSS-Mike1> t
[12:05] <SA6BSS-Mike1> then south
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[12:45] <Bernd_DL1XH2> Mike, did you turn your antenna?
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[13:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LU1ESY-11 after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LU1ESY-11
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[14:29] <SA6BSS-Mike1> Bernd_DL1XH2: no, Im at work
[14:29] <SA6BSS-Mike1> but I changed sdr to one that have a omni 2m on it
[14:29] <SA6BSS-Mike1> seems to work, first rx came in loud and clear :)
[14:31] <Bernd_DL1XH2> works great Mike!
[14:47] <SA6BSS-Mike1> rtty and 4fsk at the same time - no decode
[14:51] <SM0ULC-David> still empty waterfall here
[14:55] <SM0ULC-David> rtty at 660 ?
[14:55] <Bernd_DL1XH2> there is rarely an overlap of the two TX, but no problem on the long run
[14:56] <Bernd_DL1XH2> 660 both RTTY and 4FSK
[14:56] <SM0ULC-David> ok!
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[15:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-80 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-80
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[15:34] <Chrischan> Note for Darkside. They are just observations, nothing tangible. Unfortunately, the error also occurs in energy-saving mode, there seems to be an increased susceptibility to the full and half hours (the error can occur at any time). Perhaps the frequency of GPS errors is related to temperature, the lower the temperature, the more errors. By GPS errors, I don't mean wrong time errors.
[15:40] <SM0ULC-David> i see trace :)
[15:48] <SM0ULC-David> yes!
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[16:17] <SM0ULC-David> what's the limit on the battery?
[16:17] <SM0ULC-David> 1.7V?
[16:47] <SM0ULC-David> mm, XH just sent 5 mess in a row
[17:07] <Bernd_DL1XH2> I assume that something below 1.7V is the end.
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[17:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HAPPYSAT-4FSK - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HAPPYSAT-4FSK
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[18:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YH81LU_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YH81LU_chase
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[18:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK4CU9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK4CU9
[18:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK4CU_Chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK4CU_Chase
[19:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD8YQL_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD8YQL_chase
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[19:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EASY-SON - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EASY-SON
[19:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Happysat_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Happysat_chase
[19:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK4CU-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK4CU-11
[20:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PC4L-4FSK after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PC4L-4FSK
[21:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ES3BEC-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ES3BEC-11
[21:43] <SM0ULC-David> ok, some ~9 min silence from XH then 5 msgs in a row
[21:43] <SM0ULC-David> gps error also
[21:44] <SM0ULC-David> no, 6 msgs
[21:44] <Bernd_DL1XH2> yes, have seen that before
[21:47] <SM0ULC-David> it's beeping nicely but no data
[21:47] <SM0ULC-David> alive :)
[21:47] <Bernd_DL1XH2> sending 0000 as position, right?
[21:47] <SM0ULC-David> for those 6 packets yes
[21:47] <SM0ULC-David> now ok
[21:49] <Bernd_DL1XH2> good to see your rx up there
[21:49] <Darkside> hrm if its coming out of deeo sleep mode it really shouldnt transmit unless it has a position :/
[21:50] <SM0ULC-David> 000s as pos but with height :)
[21:51] <Bernd_DL1XH2> Darkside: I am almost happy with the FW, now 33h on air and still 2.55V in the batt :-)
[21:53] <SM0ULC-David> i like the beeps :)
[21:53] <Bernd_DL1XH2> me too!
[21:54] <Darkside> i just dont like thats its producing dud positions!
[21:54] <Darkside> when it comes out of deep sleep mode, does do the double-pips for a bit, and then transmit?
[21:55] <Darkside> it shoudl be: pip... pip... pip... doublepip doublepip BEEEEEEEEP<4FSK>
[21:55] <PC4L> it does
[21:55] <PC4L> and when less then 6 sats it sends beeeeep again
[21:56] <PC4L> If we use the same FW :)
[21:57] <PC4L> you know what you made?! HI
[21:57] <SM0ULC-David> seem to be a "bug" sometimes the 4FSK gets a cw-tone combined ahead of the data
[21:58] <PC4L> @Bernd_DL1XH2 what kind of battery do you use?!
[21:59] <Bernd_DL1XH2> original :-) Energizer Lithium
[21:59] <Bernd_DL1XH2> 2 x AA
[22:00] <Darkside> in deep sleep mode the CW tome ahead of the data is intentional
[22:00] <Darkside> its your final warning that its about to transmit :P
[22:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 4fsk doing great, -0.6deg now on IDA
[22:00] <SM0ULC-David> check :)
[22:01] <Darkside> but yeah, i dont like that its coming out of deep sleep mode without a valid position
[22:01] <PC4L> Aha.. RRR.. will try that too.. I see on the li-po and the end major drop down, 3.6 3.2 2.8 OFF
[22:01] <SM0ULC-David> Darkside: a quick question... horus_demod.. can i use that for 4FSK?
[22:01] <Darkside> SM0ULC-David: horusdemodlib is the repo now
[22:02] <Darkside> and there'and yes, there's a commandline decoder in there
[22:02] <SM0ULC-David> Darkside: you mean? https://github.com/projecthorus/horusdemodlib
[22:03] <Darkside> yes
[22:03] <SM0ULC-David> check
[22:03] <SM0ULC-David> i hsould save some data right away :)
[22:04] <Darkside> theres a few bash scripts in there for dcoding off rtlsdrs and the like
[22:04] <Darkside> is that the plan? receive using a rtlsdr?
[22:05] <SM0ULC-David> hate corona, spending 8h+ at desk working with computer. want to have time for this stuff also not already spent so much time in front of the screen
[22:05] <SM0ULC-David> Darkside: yes
[22:06] <SM0ULC-David> Darkside: slooooowly working on netsharing and splitting to different decoders, currently just run ft8
[22:10] <SM0ULC-David> Darkside: i'll check the scripts! was browsing the c-code and was looking for the switches. nice tiem for that tomorrow!
[22:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Darkside ive had the GUI running so long, that i timedout on the map, maybe the GUI should update every "some" hours
[22:11] <Darkside> well if you can get audio out via stdout, you can pipe it into the decoder
[22:11] <Darkside> https://github.com/projecthorus/horusdemodlib/wiki/2---Modem-Details#demodulating-from-a-sound-card
[22:11] <Darkside> OZ1SKY_Brian: good point
[22:11] <Darkside> OZ1SKY_Brian: also i'm surprised the GUI kept running for that long XD
[22:11] <SM0ULC-David> Darkside: no problem, have som chains with rtl/airspy/sdrplay => csdr => decodes
[22:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ive had no issues with it what so every, runs perfect every time
[22:12] <Darkside> SM0ULC-David: yep that'll work
[22:12] <Darkside> you can even feed in IQ data
[22:12] <SM0ULC-David> awesome
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[22:13] <Darkside> https://github.com/projecthorus/horusdemodlib/blob/master/start_rtlsdr.sh
[22:13] <Darkside> this script has an example
[22:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lets try and run 2 of them :-)
[22:14] <SM0ULC-David> Darkside: thanks. the FIR-part with csdr is very cpu-intensive
[22:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> what baudrate is the IDA on rtty?
[22:15] <SM0ULC-David> 100,7,n,2
[22:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> tack
[22:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes decoding fine on secound hoursGUI
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[22:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Darkside future plands, dual 4fsk/rtty decode in same GUI :-)
[22:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> plans
[22:25] <SA6BSS-Mike1> Darkside: you should probably wait some timw with the beeping after deepslep of the gps, it will mess with the gps rx
[22:26] <SA6BSS-Mike1> so, wake gps (no beeping) and lest it be up for 10-15 sec before beep
[22:26] <SA6BSS-Mike1> should have got a new pos by then
[22:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Mike he´s out prepering a firecracker ballon launch for tonight
[22:30] <SA6BSS-Mike1> ok, rr :)
[22:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> :-)
[22:30] <SA6BSS-Mike1> its bed time over here, I l let the radio run (as always :) )
[22:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> have a good one Mike and if i dont see you tomorrow HNY
[22:30] <SA6BSS-Mike1> looks like IDA will swing arround me
[22:31] <SA6BSS-Mike1> anf get back to you Brian :)
[22:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes looks like it :)
[22:31] <Darkside> SA6BSS-Mike1: i mean, it gets lock fine with continuous transmissions
[22:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> elev allready getting higher now i see
[22:32] <Darkside> so not sure why the beeping is an issue
[22:33] <Darkside> and it should even transmit telemetry until it has a valid fix
[22:33] <Darkside> unless the GPS is dropping some of its settings... (which i didnt think was the case)
[22:34] <SA6BSS-Mike1> ok, just a thougt
[22:34] <SA6BSS-Mike1> I have seen it on my aprs tracker, the beeping messing with the gps rx
[22:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W0MB_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W0MB_chase
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[23:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[23:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G7GPR_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G7GPR_chase
[23:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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