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[00:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 039A4VS-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=9A4VS-11
[01:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PU5MLT_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PU5MLT_chase
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[05:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-80 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-80
[05:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PA1SDB after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PA1SDB
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[06:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL2623-4_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL2623-4_chase
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[07:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W5KUB-20 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5KUB-20
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[09:50] <_Jordan> Just wondered if anybody else has any ideas about the stuff I posted yesterday?
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[10:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PA3ARK-4FSK after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PA3ARK-4FSK
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[10:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 034FSKTEST after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4FSKTEST
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[11:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KO6FE-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KO6FE-11
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[12:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-2 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-2
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[13:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL2623-4_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL2623-4_chase
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[13:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KB6CAG-13 after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB6CAG-13
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[14:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PU5MLT_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PU5MLT_chase
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[15:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LU1ESY-11 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LU1ESY-11
[15:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IDA-4FSK after 0322 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IDA-4FSK
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[17:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03IDA-RTTY - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IDA-RTTY
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[17:47] <Chrischan> Hello. Ida-4FSK sends on 434.660 RTTY (7n2) and 4FSK. It could be a short flight, there are no new batteries installed. It is a test of a light 9mm insulation. The RS41 weighs exactly 50 grams without the balloon. But it is already becoming apparent that the insulation is not particularly good. I wish a nice evening (:
[17:49] <eor> so what did you do? shaved off most of the polystyrene?
[17:50] <eor> what is your insulation
[17:50] <eor> you made me curious
[17:51] <Chrischan> I only attached the insulation around the middle area of the probe made of 9mm Amaflex (self-adhesive).
[17:54] <Chrischan> https://1drv.ms/u/s!Av9PFEeuJmy201Mt9S2KE1Jyjdir?e=rQh1f3
[17:55] <eor> I don't think that's how you do thermal insulation.
[17:55] <eor> it needs to go all around
[17:56] <PE2BZ> I guess bubble foil bag would do the same. You can push the antenna wire through the bottom and tie the top together to the balloon. That's the way we dit a few times.
[17:56] <PE2BZ> However, the tracker also does not dislike flying naked....
[17:56] <eor> I see you got the battery holder pretty well covered but the pcb is still going to conduct a lot of heat
[17:59] <Chrischan> the temperature difference to the outside is only about 10 degrees, the work was not worth it. But that's how you learn
[18:13] <Chrischan> I think a bubble wrap bag is even less suitable as the air can circulate in the bag.
[18:18] <PE2BZ> Why would that be a problem ? The bag is closed.... The heat of the processor, radio and batteries are quite stable till a certain altitude
[18:18] <PE2BZ> I might try to find the data back....
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[18:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO4AS-5 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO4AS-5
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[18:25] <SA6BSS-0> some foam on the gps and radio tcxo / crystal is usuly enogh , you only needs to isolate those parts to keep the air moving from comming close to them as the balloon climb
[18:25] <Chrischan> if the air can circulate in the bag, the area for heat dissipation is much larger
[18:33] <PE2BZ> In my opinion that's just a matter of using enough isolation tape to keep the bubble foam tight to the other parts.
[18:33] <PE2BZ> But back to openscad now....
[18:35] <Chrischan> some foam on the gps and radio tcxo / crystal is usuly enogh , you only needs to isolate those parts to keep the air moving from comming close to them as the balloon climb / When it comes to solar operation, exactly the right one (:
[18:35] <Chrischan> But now the batteries also have to keep a little temperature and I think they get the temperature from the processor and the current converter.
[18:36] <SA6BSS-0> most heat comming from the discharege of the batteries I asume
[18:37] <SA6BSS-0> -9, warm and cosy :)
[18:42] <Chrischan> Since each component contributes its part through the current flowing. The difference is now 15 degrees
[18:43] <eor> I believe you're overthinking a bit. as long as the entire assembly is encapsulated in an insulating package, things should be good enough
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[18:45] <eor> the manufacturer already has put a lot of effort into minimizing weight. I don't want to be a pessimist but you might be reaching for stars here also
[18:47] <Chrischan> I wanted to try with as little as possible
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[18:47] <eor> I'm sure it's technically possible to reduce weight, but at what cost?
[18:47] <eor> in the end, you're probably only saving in helium
[18:48] <eor> so it should be pretty doable to calculate worth
[18:52] <Chrischan> First of all, it is about what is possible to gain height from a normal balloon. This is only possible by reducing weight
[18:54] <PE2BZ> You did not fly a naked PCB yet ?
[18:55] <Chrischan> For me it's an experiment, I like to try things out and learn through it. For one or the other it may seem pointless, you may already have more experience and set other priorities
[18:58] <eor> I apologize if I sounded dicouraging. please do continue pursuing your goals
[18:59] <Chrischan> Bernd_DL1XH flew a bare circuit board with a CR123A cell, it froze to death.
[19:00] <Bernd_DL1XH> yeah, @12,5km it went down to - 54!C :-)
[19:00] <eor> whatever the manufacturer does from a business point of view may not be at all what you are striving to do from your personal interest in experimenting
[19:00] <bertrik> Bernd_DL1XH: cool! :D
[19:01] <Bernd_DL1XH> that was the chip temperature
[19:01] <Chrischan> eor, No problem, I can understand the objections (;
[19:03] <PE2BZ> Froze to death ? Sorry, by what means ? I notice 17 hours of transmission then the altitude dropped, 17 hours on an CR123 (1600 mAh max) is about the max you can ever get out of that.
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[19:05] <Bernd_DL1XH> PE2BZ, that was the recent flight, where the balloon gave up
[19:06] <PE2BZ> Bernd_DL1XH, Gutenabend, welcher Typ ballon war das ?
[19:07] <PE2BZ> Which brand / type CR123 did you use by the way ?
[19:08] <Bernd_DL1XH> my flight-two lastet just a few hours until the signal stopped at -54°C
[19:08] <Bernd_DL1XH> Goedenavond, it was a so called party-balloon with a max diameter of 90cm
[19:09] <Bernd_DL1XH> the CR123 was an Energizer
[19:09] <PE2BZ> Energizer normal or Energizer lithium ? Have to ask...
[19:09] <Bernd_DL1XH> all fine - it was Lithium
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[19:09] <PE2BZ> The party balloon raise to over 11 km the next morning ?
[19:10] <Bernd_DL1XH> yep, that was with flight-five 17h and 740km all the way to Sweden
[19:10] Action: PE2BZ did not reach higher as 7000 m with RS41 with batteries and party balloon :-(
[19:11] <Bernd_DL1XH> but flight five was an original equipped RS41 without any weight reduction except for the sensors
[19:11] <Hooloovo0> if you made a small enough pcb, could you put it inside the balloon to add a layer of insulation?
[19:11] <Bernd_DL1XH> good idea! :-)
[19:13] <Hooloovo0> been a long time (5 years) since I've done hab stuff, what's the general trend?
[19:14] <Hooloovo0> seems like small flights are becoming popular
[19:15] <PE2BZ> Hooloovo0, indeed, might also be about the regulations, which require notams for the UK but not for the Netherlands
[19:15] <Hooloovo0> I'm in the US, and I don't *think* we were required to give those
[19:20] <SA6BSS-0> last year I made a rs41 solar floater, worked fine, no insulation
[19:20] <SA6BSS-0> https://imgur.com/a/7f4xo1s
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[19:24] <Bernd_DL1XH> SA6BSS-0 interesting, what was your max. altitude?
[19:25] <SA6BSS-0> just over 9000m , overfilled qualatex,
[19:25] <SA6BSS-0> it ran all day but probably bursted day 2 as the sun got up
[19:26] <SA6BSS-0> that weigh should onöy got it 2 about 7km
[19:26] <Bernd_DL1XH> did you had chance to monitor the temperature?
[19:26] <SA6BSS-0> nothing I remeber now anyway
[19:27] <SA6BSS-0> some pics and info in here http://sp7pki.iq24.pl/default.asp?grupa=230409&temat=489127
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[19:29] <Bernd_DL1XH> *BSS ....now that rings a bell - tnx for receiving my balloon during Tuesdays night! :-)
[19:29] <SA6BSS-0> chears :)
[19:29] <PE2BZ> SA6BSS-0, Mike, you know the date / payload name ?
[19:29] <SA6BSS-0> it drop in the baltic sea wedensday morning?
[19:29] <Bernd_DL1XH> yep
[19:29] <SA6BSS-0> rr
[19:30] <SA6BSS-0> PE2BZ: of the solar floater? some m99 or something but its probably gone since they wiped the data of habhub db
[19:31] Nick change: SA6BSS-0 -> SA6BSS-Mike
[19:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeh, I have a small com center here texting and pinging people in tha balloons way :)
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[19:40] <PE2BZ> SA6BSS-Mike, one more try ;-) around the 10th or 11th of april 2019 ?
[19:41] <PE2BZ> You had the supervisor chips arriving on the 25th of march ;-)
[19:42] <PE2BZ> https://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/SA6BSS*AM/574523262265c4e28ea6687e26d70fa0#g/altitude,temperature
[19:42] <PE2BZ> from 2019-04-09 till 2019-04-11 looks like a solar payload with no data overnight
[19:53] <PE2BZ> Chrischan, so float so good :-)
[19:54] <Bernd_DL1XH> yep, looks promising
[20:00] <Chrischan> Yes it looks good Now I am annoyed that I have not installed any new cells. The temperature difference is about 15 degrees, which is still ok. (:
[20:01] <PE2BZ> These are the 2 which came ¨with the RS41¨ ?
[20:04] <Chrischan> no, they come from a flight that I collected, I think they have already worked 3-5 hours
[20:07] <Chrischan> the number of satellites worries me a little ..
[20:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03AB5SS-14 after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AB5SS-14
[20:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BUTTERFLY - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BUTTERFLY
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[21:06] <Pete_435> I'm 130km south of Sydney (AU) and hear a balloon on 403.000MHz but cannot find details of it via https://tracker.sondehub.org, can anybody help?
[21:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> you have a decoder program?
[21:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> is it a rs41 you can use this to decodehttp://escursioni.altervista.org/Radiosonde/
[21:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> it will show you an a map wher it is
[21:10] <Pete_435> Many thanks Mike. No decoder as yet. I'll check your link and go from there.
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[21:31] <PE2BZ> Pete_435, can you record audio 1 minute to share ?
[21:53] <Pete_435> Recording now. FYI - Current Equipment - Vertical gain antenna at 10m, Airspy R2 SDR, GQRX software under Linux. QTH >500m ASL. Please wait while I process the recording ...
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[22:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KO6FE-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KO6FE-11
[22:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> PE2BZ: did you get the audio from pete?
[22:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> I forwarede the mail to you...
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[22:48] <Pete_435> Mike, my connection dropped out for a while. I have emailed you with a recording. Don't (as yet) know how to send it to IRC. This was my first experience with IRC. I have to go now, but will connect again at a later time, many thanks for your assistance.
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[23:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-2 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-2
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