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[00:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N6CVO-13 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N6CVO-13
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[07:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PA1SDB after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PA1SDB
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[08:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PE1MJA after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PE1MJA
[08:54] <Darkside> PE2BZ: pint
[08:54] <Darkside> ping*
[09:02] <PE2BZ> reply from PE2BZ in 300mS
[09:02] <PE2BZ> Good morning, afternoon
[09:14] <Darkside> hey
[09:14] <Darkside> so you're using that branch and its working?
[09:14] <PE2BZ> Yes and yes :-)
[09:15] <Darkside> and you're doing some kind of shutdown externally?
[09:15] <PE2BZ> The same tracker is now on the roof waiting for the clouds to magically disappear....
[09:16] <PE2BZ> The max809 ( 3.08 Volt version) is keeping the reset low till V in > 3.1 Volt
[09:16] <Darkside> oh interesting
[09:17] <PE2BZ> Tried on the PSU, at 2.6 Volt the radio turns on, at 3.1 volt the leds start blinking and I am hearing the familiair rtty / 4fsk sounds
[09:20] <PE2BZ> 6 times 52 x 52 mm covered with plastic spray pointed to where I expect the sun to appear....
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[09:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BZ-GPSTEST after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BZ-GPSTEST
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[09:22] <PE2BZ> You see ? It´s working :-)
[09:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PE2BZ-4FSK after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PE2BZ-4FSK
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[09:26] <Darkside> heh
[09:26] <Darkside> i mean i need to check the changes dont cause other issues
[09:34] <PE2BZ> I might flash another one with he same branch battery powered to test if that´s any help ? Place batteries, wait for lock, remove batteries, redo from start ?
[09:35] <PE2BZ> Have to find where to wire the solar Vcc to get battery voltage too ;-)
[09:35] <PE2BZ> But it´s at least 3.08 Volt
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[09:43] <Darkside> hmm
[09:43] <Darkside> and now 0x17 suggests maybe what he did was a fluke :/
[09:52] <PE2BZ> Strange.
[09:52] <PE2BZ> Anything I can lookup in the code to see if it gets remapped ?
[09:53] <Darkside> not sure
[09:58] <PE2BZ> It started 7 times so far on solar all with GPS data
[09:59] <PE2BZ> till the clouds mess up ;-) $$$$$BZ-GPSTEST,2,09:59:31,51.9915,4.E
[10:03] <Darkside> PE2BZ: also interested what you've done with floating RS41s
[10:03] <Darkside> you used foils?
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[10:04] <PE2BZ> yes, qualatex 36 inch silver, with one CR123 battery
[10:04] <SIbot> In real units: 36 inches = 0.9 m
[10:05] <Darkside> oh you managed it with a single 36"!
[10:05] <Darkside> wow
[10:05] <PE2BZ> Let me check if I documented the altitude.
[10:06] <Darkside> i was thinking it would need 2
[10:07] <PE2BZ> https://imgur.com/mQ8WxLV
[10:07] <PE2BZ> Good thing is I could prove to my solar panels the clouds where moving away. I am close to the yellow + sign
[10:08] <PE2BZ> Received on the remote openwebrx in the northern part to the German border.
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[10:09] <PE2BZ> Nightowl floated at 5700 m with 1 qualatex and CR123, 34 gram total weight. RS41 in plastic sandwich bag.
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[10:11] <Darkside> heh ok
[10:11] <Darkside> i was thinking of trying 2 foils
[10:12] <PE2BZ> Edit:
[10:12] <PE2BZ> Payloads bz-lora-4 en bz-rtty-4
[10:12] <PE2BZ> bereikte float hoogte ca. 6500 meter
[10:12] <PE2BZ> Cattex 36 inch
[10:12] <PE2BZ> Gewicht: 32 gram met 39 gram necklift
[10:12] <SIbot> In real units: 36 inches = 0.9 m
[10:13] <PE2BZ> that was not an RS41 but a homemade tracker
[10:14] <Darkside> yeah im interested in floating a RS41 to the eastern states to drum up a bit of interest
[10:15] <PE2BZ> So with 2 qualatex I guess you could float at around 7 km. CR123 would last about 10 hours, is that enough ?
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[10:34] <Darkside> nowhere near lol
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[10:35] <Darkside> would have to be a 2xAA job, with lots of shutdown time
[10:36] <PE2BZ> and sleep ;-)
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[10:50] <dfm> darkside: auto_rx udp
[10:51] <Darkside> dfm: what about it?
[10:51] <Darkside> should still work i think
[10:51] <dfm> ok, never know, if this irc works!
[10:52] <dfm> this weekend I finally tried auto_rx and udp!
[10:52] <dfm> https://github.com/projecthorus/radiosonde_auto_rx/issues/273
[10:53] <dfm> I have some suggestions/questions.
[10:53] <Darkside> i think i still need to let it take frequency data via UDP
[10:54] <Darkside> can add that in the next release. just need to know what format the frequecy will be in
[10:55] <dfm> 1. auto_rx always wants a rtl_sdr, but in udp-mode maybe it should not be necessary. Or if the rtl-sdr is running in another software, auto_rx interrupts.
[10:55] <Darkside> hmm i thought i fixed the RTLSDR check in UDP mode, maybe not
[10:56] <dfm> 2. If I add the frequency field in json, would you implement that it can process multiple radiosondes?
[10:57] <Darkside> yes, if you can provide a field 'freq' with the frequency in Hz, i can use that
[10:57] <dfm> (maybe I used it wrong, but I had the impression that it always wants to test the rtlsdr.)
[10:57] <Darkside> no, you are right, i just checked that
[10:57] <Darkside> need to figure out how to bypass that check...
[10:57] <Darkside> oh wait maybe i have solved this
[10:58] <dfm> Yes, there are several places, but you know the python code best.
[10:58] <Darkside> yep
[10:58] <Darkside> device_idx = TCP001
[10:58] <Darkside> set the device IDX to somthing beginning with TCP
[10:58] <Darkside> and it will skip all checks associated it when starting up a decoder
[10:59] <dfm> So for multiple sources, if I have the json-output from e.g. rs_multi, the udp-listener would process multiple radiosondes.
[10:59] <Darkside> yup
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[11:00] <Darkside> shoudl work just fine
[11:00] <dfm> But if several terminals would send udp messages, would it still work or could the json-strings get mixed up?
[11:00] <Darkside> should be ok i think
[11:00] <Darkside> it'll handle each packet in turn
[11:00] <Darkside> but we definitely need the frequency information
[11:01] <dfm> are the udp-packets containing whole json-strings?
[11:01] <Darkside> yup
[11:01] <Darkside> UDP packets are a self-contained thing
[11:02] <Darkside> and it will process each one in turn
[11:02] <Darkside> (or, it should!)
[11:02] <dfm> What I mean, with mutliple threads outputting on the same terminal you need some mutex. don't know if it is necessary for udp on the same port. or maybe several ports?
[11:03] <dfm> just tested a little, for rs_multi I would use another argument for the center frequency.
[11:03] <Darkside> you can feed all the data into one udp port
[11:03] <Darkside> and it should be fine
[11:04] <dfm> for the single-decoders a json-frequency could also be useful for this second scenario with multiple terminals.
[11:04] <dfm> then this could also work with airspy e.g.
[11:04] <Darkside> also frequency data is required for receiving some sonde types, like imet
[11:05] <Darkside> as i make use of a quantized frequency in the generation of the serial number
[11:05] <dfm> ok, for imet then you round the frequency, there are only a few. because I would output in kHz.
[11:05] <Darkside> we really should define out what those JSON messages contain, and what format they all need to be in
[11:06] <Darkside> ok, so frequency in Hz or kHz?
[11:06] <Darkside> i need to know this now so i can add in teh code
[11:06] <Darkside> going to add that bit in and push to testing branch before i go to bed
[11:06] <dfm> I think kHz is good enough. it shows kHz resolution on sondehub I think.
[11:07] <Darkside> ok
[11:07] <Darkside> I use Hz internally
[11:07] <Darkside> but thats fine
[11:07] <dfm> for rs41 I could also take the rs41-frequency, or as an extra rs41_freq field.
[11:07] <Darkside> dont add another fiedl
[11:07] <Darkside> field*
[11:08] <Darkside> thats more stuff i have to implement :P
[11:08] <Darkside> ok, so auto_rx testing branch should accept frequency information via UDP
[11:09] <dfm> but the field "freq" I would add. So for rs41 I could overwrite the json-frequency with the rs41-data when available.
[11:10] <Darkside> yup
[11:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-2 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-2
[11:10] <dfm> I thought a new json-field "freq", no?
[11:10] <Darkside> yep
[11:10] <dfm> ok.
[11:10] <Darkside> 'freq', as a float numbre
[11:10] <Darkside> in kHz
[11:10] <Darkside> or integer, whatever, it'll parse ok
[11:11] <Darkside> if 'freq' in _telemetry:
[11:11] <Darkside> self.sonde_freq = float(_telemetry['freq'])*1e3
[11:11] <dfm> float? hm... I would output "freq": 405300
[11:11] <Darkside> (converting to Hz internally, then it gets converted back down to other formats elsewhere)
[11:11] <Darkside> yup
[11:11] <Darkside> that should be fine
[11:11] <dfm> or "freq": 405299 , if the rs41-frequency is not known.
[11:13] <Darkside> sure
[11:13] <Darkside> right, i need to head to bed, let me know if the changes dont work
[11:14] <Darkside> remind me to write a wiki page detailing the JSON UDP format
[11:14] <Darkside> so we have all the different fields we use written down somewhere...
[11:15] <dfm> So the mode/type "-m UDP" (I think in the wiki it is still "mode") now needs the "--freq ...". And the new version would overwrite this if there is a "freq"-field in the json, right!?
[11:15] <dfm> ok, good night.
[11:16] <Darkside> yes to the above
[11:16] <Darkside> if you supply frequency, you need to supply frequency for all input packets, not just some
[11:18] <dfm> yes.
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[11:19] <Darkside> ill work on allowing it to run in UDP mode without supplying a frequency
[11:20] <dfm> maybe not so easy to make it safe.
[11:20] <PE2BZ> ping Darkside ¨the headless horus binary on the Pi¨ does automatically update the list or does the new ID list have to be pulled ?
[11:20] <dfm> or you throw away json without freq if it comes over udp.
[11:20] <Darkside> should automatically update on start
[11:20] <Darkside> i hope
[11:21] <Darkside> dfm: hmm i figure using a default frequency value instead of whats provided is probably a better solution.
[11:21] <dfm> last question: can udp and normal rtl-sdr can be used at the same time? or multiple auto_rx? ok, the last one is when using multiple rtlsdr, I guess.
[11:21] <Darkside> even if the frequency is invalid, the callsign and positional dat is still valid
[11:22] <Darkside> hmm, i think udp and normal rtlsdr in one instance of auto_rx is probably bad
[11:22] <Darkside> oh yeah, i also need to disable tieouts when running in UDP mode
[11:22] <Darkside> timeouts*
[11:23] <Darkside> i think at the moment it will kill the decoder after a few minutes of no traffic
[11:23] <dfm> I didn't try rtl-sdr with auto_rx. yes, the timeout, if nothing happens it starts scanning with the rtl-sdr and cubicsdr is not happy.
[11:24] <Darkside> heh
[11:24] <Darkside> ok, i can fix that
[11:24] <dfm> ok, i'm not happy always with cubicsdr... ;(
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[11:25] <Darkside> hmm
[11:25] <Darkside> i see an issue with accepting multiple sondes via UDP right now
[11:25] <Darkside> i can fix it
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[11:28] <dfm> ok, I will include the freq-field.
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[11:33] <Darkside> argh gone
[11:34] <Darkside> just fixed the multiple sondes bug..
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[13:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F4igg_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F4igg_chase
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[14:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Kornwestheim_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Kornwestheim_chase
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[16:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-80 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-80
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[18:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KM5XK-11 after 038 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM5XK-11
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[19:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ9HHV-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ9HHV-12
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[19:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K7IRK-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K7IRK-9
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[20:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PA1SDB after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PA1SDB
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