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[00:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KN4IUD-15 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KN4IUD-15
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[04:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-76 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-76
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[07:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB2CPU-1 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB2CPU-1
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[08:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03JOHND1 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JOHND1
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[08:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03G7PMO-A after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G7PMO-A
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[08:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Jon13_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Jon13_chase
[08:52] <joemoore> we have launched our balloon, callsign JOHND1 over cumbria. Habhub is not giving us a predicted landing however, we think this may be down to a faulty gps reading. Anyone have any ideas?
[08:52] <PE2BZ> It might just update after you are higher as the ¨false altitude¨ reading.
[08:53] <joemoore> okay, thank you
[08:53] <PE2BZ> You did run the predictor before you launched ?
[08:53] <joemoore> yep, it was looking goood
[08:54] <PE2BZ> So, no worries :-)
[08:54] <PE2BZ> I see a predicted landing spot now.
[08:54] <joemoore> me too, its just come through
[08:54] <joemoore> god speed john dalton
[08:55] Action: PE2BZ is staring at the waterfall
[08:56] <Darkside> PE2BZ: what balloon was that launch today on?
[08:58] <PE2BZ> Our launch ? 1200 gram Hwoyee, Johnd1
[08:58] <PE2BZ> Johnd1 is on 1600 gram
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[08:59] <Darkside> not bad effort then
[08:59] <PE2BZ> 4 ham´s spotted it with the naked eye yesterday. 2 caught on camera
[08:59] <Darkside> 4fsk was decoded at 750km range
[09:00] <PE2BZ> No, but next time we go for 4 m/s . It should have reached 40 K +
[09:00] <PE2BZ> 750 km? Nice ! Where dit you get that ? It was asked if I could give a ¨max distance¨ list but I had to locate RX stations all manually.
[09:01] <Darkside> SP3MCY emailed me
[09:02] <Darkside> whats your email
[09:02] <Darkside> will forward it to you
[09:02] <PE2BZ> I´ll tell everyone he got the max :-) Homework done ;-)
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[09:05] <Darkside> i could probably write a script to figure it out
[09:05] <Darkside> that could be fun actually
[09:06] <PE2BZ> I´ll take the offer ;-)
[09:07] <Darkside> effort tho
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[09:15] <Darkside> actually it might not be too difficult..
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[09:27] <Ron_G8FJG> JOHND1 is on 434.375 dial for 1.5khz centre
[09:28] <PE2BZ> Ron_G8FJG, thanks !
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[09:41] <JohnLaidler_> For anyone unfamiliar (like me, which as a Cumbrian I should be ashamed of :) )John Dalton was a famous chemist who did early work on gases and atomic theory. Born near Cockermouth where this launch was made.
[09:41] <PE2BZ> JohnLaidler_, I would not worry ;-)
[09:42] <PE2BZ> I knew about 5 dalton´s and none of them was a chemist....
[09:43] <PB0AHX-Herman> i got him JOHND1,207,09:42:52,54.524250,-4?2200,21075,11,12046, 0.79, 6.10,0,24,5,-23*92F6
[09:45] <PE2BZ> PB0AHX-Herman, Nice ! But I wanted to be the first ;-)
[09:45] <PB0AHX-Herman> hihihi jammer Ben
[09:47] <PB0AHX-Herman> i rcvd him very well but qrm piiep krk piep krh disturb the signaal hier
[09:47] <PE2BZ> ;-) pse repeat ?
[09:48] <PB0AHX-Herman> yes the first green in on screen
[09:50] <PE2BZ> #metoo :-)
[09:50] <PB0AHX-Herman> hihi
[09:51] <PE2BZ> 75 bd would have been a bit better. There are 125 kHz wide pulses over here where the 50 bd string is ¨just 5 bits to long) to fit between the pulses.
[09:51] <PB0AHX-Herman> PE2BZ, i go at 4 am to my bed and than the ballon was stil flying pffff on 36km
[09:52] <PE2BZ> Go back to sleep ;-) I´ll cover your receiver.
[09:52] Action: PE2BZ went to bed at 10 and got out of bed at 10 ....
[09:54] Action: SM0ULC-David had to look up 'Cumbrian'
[09:57] <Suterusu> Could be worse - they could be manquelean
[09:59] <Darkside> hmm
[09:59] <Darkside> oh your flight doc didnt cover the entire flight
[09:59] <Darkside> was wondering why the records im calculating didnt line up
[10:02] <SM0ULC-David> cool, the johnd1 is dancind ;)
[10:06] <Darkside> PE2BZ: SP7MTU: 1117.0 km (Payload Alt: 36625.0 m, Elevation:-3.2Ú, Bearing: 274.7Ú)
[10:06] <Darkside> on the RTTY
[10:06] <Darkside> it looks like he had a yagi though.
[10:07] <Darkside> https://slexy.org/view/s21bGxugUR
[10:13] <PE2BZ> 1117 km ? at -3.2 degrees....
[10:14] <Darkside> yeah
[10:14] <Darkside> not sure i believe it
[10:14] <PE2BZ> That might have been an websdr receiver.
[10:15] <PE2BZ> But I can kindly ask.
[10:15] <Darkside> his listener info says GP yagi
[10:15] <Darkside> {"name": "SP7MTU", "tdiff_hours": 11, "lon": 19.4878, "lat": 51.7467, "alt": 200.0, "description": "\n<font size=\"-2\"><BR>\n<B>Radio: </B>TS790<BR>\n<B>Antenna: </B>GP/YAGI<BR>\n<B>Last Contact: </B>11 hours ago<BR>\n</font>\n"}
[10:16] <PE2BZ> Can you give me the highest string number the tracker transmitted ?
[10:16] <PE2BZ> I have do ¨divide the pi¨ for anyone with more as the highest string number :-)
[10:17] <Darkside> uh
[10:18] <Darkside> $$PB0AHX-4FSK,4945,02:50:59,51.45221,3.30553,36627,0,8,-7,1.22*C899
[10:18] <Darkside> $$HABR-1,4943,02:50:33,51.4540,3.3081,36625,0,8,1240,-7*1FC6
[10:20] <PE2BZ> Thanks!
[10:20] <PE2BZ> I did close the gui, now I don´t have to download all info
[10:22] <Darkside> going to upload the script i used to create the stats to github in a bit
[10:23] <PE2BZ> Nice, thank you !
[10:26] <PE2BZ> Now how did I (bz-991a) upload a spot over 5598.2 km .....
[10:26] <Darkside> uhh yeah
[10:26] <bertrik> lat-lon swap?
[10:26] <Darkside> or 0,0
[10:26] <Darkside> might add in a check for that
[10:28] <Darkside> {"name": "bz-991a", "tdiff_hours": 23, "lon": 4.198967, "lat": 51.991508, "alt": 13.0, "description": "\n<font size=\"-2\"><BR>\n<B>Radio: </B>Some radio or SDR<BR>\n<B>Antenna: </B>x-5000<BR>\n<B>Last Contact: </B>23 hours ago<BR>\n</font>\n"}
[10:28] <Darkside> looks like a lat/lon swap
[10:28] <Darkside> ugh
[10:29] <bertrik> lat=52 and lon=4 is somewhere close to the netherlands, so that looks alright I think
[10:29] <Darkside> https://github.com/darksidelemm/habitat-utils
[10:30] <Darkside> i wonder if the position glitched then
[10:31] <bertrik> a small chance that an invalid CRC passed anyway
[10:32] <Darkside> bz-991a: 5598.2 km (Payload Alt: 15105.0 m, Elevation:-25.9Ú, Bearing: 185.3Ú) Raw: $$HABR-1,18,14:02:43,0.0000,0.0000,15105,0,0,2730,30*985F
[10:32] <bertrik> i mean that an invalid sentence had a valid CRC by chance
[10:32] <Darkside> hrm
[10:32] <Darkside> better check for that
[10:32] <Darkside> ok, fixed :-)
[10:33] <PE2BZ> Saves me a lot of arguments why I am number one :-)
[10:33] <bertrik> Darkside: are you the author of the habhub interface?
[10:33] <Darkside> nope
[10:33] <Darkside> ive made some edits to it
[10:33] <Darkside> ok, dixed the ok, fixed the zero lat/lon issue
[10:34] <Darkside> https://slexy.org/view/s2B1MDNhEh
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[10:34] <JohnLaidler_> I hope joemoore packed his hiking boots. :)
[10:35] <Darkside> PE2BZ: do a launch with just 4FSK... that'll get people to install the decoder
[10:35] <joemoore> hahahahaha, i did!
[10:36] <joemoore> our balloon, which was expected to burst at 34k, hit 36k!!!
[10:36] <Darkside> what size balloon?
[10:36] <joemoore> 1600 hwoyee
[10:36] <Darkside> ahh yes
[10:36] <JohnLaidler_> It did well then. Open a bottle of Jennings in celebration.
[10:36] <Darkside> they usually do this kind of thing :-)
[10:37] <PE2BZ> Darkside, you know the average age of HAM´s ?
[10:37] <joemoore> hahahaha, we thought we underfilled lol
[10:37] <PE2BZ> Can you add the time of reception to the output ?
[10:38] <joemoore> we certainly will do JohnLaidler_ assuming we do recover it!
[10:38] <Darkside> PE2BZ: well if they can set up dl-fldigi, they can set up horus-gui
[10:38] <Darkside> if anything, its easier
[10:39] <Darkside> PE2BZ: if you look up the top, you can see the raw info
[10:39] <PE2BZ> Can I have a 5 second interval between TX in 4FSK ? Then I will think about it ;-)
[10:39] <Darkside> hrm i thought it can do that already
[10:40] <Darkside> im not sure the 5 second gap really gives you much in terms of battery life
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[10:40] <JohnLaidler_> Wonderful place names in that area, Whaw, Booze and Crackpot. Avoid the locals though, they speak funny.
[10:42] <PE2BZ> Darkside, I have to measure the current, have to program HABR-2 :-)
[10:43] <Suterusu> On the subject off bubbles bursting ... how mad is my cunning plan to use more baloons at less pressure to make the lifting limit more of a guideline, and the 'maximum altitude' not only possible to exceed, but maintain some semblance of a 'stable altitude' - with the assistance maybe of some sort of ballast getup...
[10:43] <Darkside> you mean floating the balloons...
[10:43] <Darkside> like what PE2BZ did yesterday
[10:44] <Ron_G8FJG> harsh
[10:44] <Darkside> :/
[10:44] <Suterusu> Can't say as I was paying much attention yesterday - but possibly ...
[10:45] <Darkside> well, they launched a 1200g hwoyee, underfilled, and it floated at 36km or so
[10:46] <Darkside> PE2BZ: ahh I see, the radio doesnt turn off between transmissions
[10:46] <Darkside> i can include a delay, but yeah, the radio keeps going
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[10:52] <Suterusu> Another bit o madness I'm toying with - when I eventually get around to doing something of this ilk - was using thermoelectrical plates and the constant difference in temperature inside/outside as a power source ... Was thinking it's only top-up potential, but might be enough to run it entirely, once it gets high enough...
[10:54] <Darkside> difference in temperature been inside and outside of what?
[10:56] <Darkside> PE2BZ: ok, figured out how to turn off the radio between transmissions.
[10:58] <Suterusu> The casing for the operating equipment ... was thinking boringly a polystyrene box could suffice... but I'll worry about that more when I've actually defined a payload
[11:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HABR-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HABR-2
[11:04] <PE2BZ> Darkside, nice ! ping me if I can download a new version ?
[11:04] <Darkside> PE2BZ: still testing
[11:05] <PE2BZ> New balloon is not here yet ;-)
[11:05] <Darkside> im making it increase the preamble length a little bit if you are not in a continuous trasmit ode
[11:05] <Darkside> mode
[11:05] <Darkside> should help the decoder lock on
[11:09] <Darkside> ooh, 25 baud makes horus-gui grash
[11:09] <Darkside> crash
[11:09] <Darkside> interesting
[11:13] <PB0AHX-Herman> the new bollon is ordered
[11:20] <Darkside> PE2BZ: ok turning the TX off does save a bit of power
[11:20] <Darkside> goes from 155mA @ 3V to 90 mA
[11:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 034FSKTEST after 0317 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4FSKTEST
[11:21] <Darkside> whoops
[11:22] <PE2BZ> Darkside, Nice ! That gives possibilities for either high power and long delay, or low power and long delay,all to preseve batteries, so it can fly with one CR123 for example
[11:27] <Darkside> PE2BZ: trying to make it turn off between RTTY and MFSK transmissions
[11:33] <Darkside> PE2BZ: ok...
[11:33] <Darkside> so you will probably need to run: git stash , then git pull on my fork of the RS41HUP repo
[11:34] <bertrik> 90 mA for the microcontroller is a bit high, maybe you can reduce that too
[11:34] <Darkside> well its not just the micro
[11:34] <Darkside> its also the GPS, the TCXO driving the GPS, etc...
[11:34] <bertrik> ah right
[11:35] <Darkside> Power consumption of the various peripherals is approximately:
[11:35] <Darkside> uC + other quiescent power usage: ~100 mW
[11:35] <Darkside> Radio: ~170 mW (20mW TX Power)
[11:35] <Darkside> GPS (Acquisition/Tracking Mode): ~210 mW
[11:35] <Darkside> i figured all this out a long time ago
[11:36] <Darkside> and this is a ublox 6 series GPS, so its powersaving modes arent all that flash
[11:39] Action: PE2BZ thinks Darkside thinks I am running git on windows...
[11:39] <Darkside> you can get git for windows..
[11:40] <PE2BZ> Link to the not Facebook images and the Receiver records for 4FSK and RTTY now on https://www.pe2bz.nl/hamradio/index.php?page=habr1
[11:40] <Darkside> anyway, if you set the config.h file into MFSK_4 only mode, set a TX_DELAY, and comment out CONTINUOUS_MODE, it will turn off the transmitter between beacons
[11:41] <Darkside> PE2BZ: did you not see this link: https://slexy.org/raw/s2B1MDNhEh?token=8aaf9bf86493b7c36af651fe69a49f1411e868ebeabf3dbaf41d1523dcb64792&ts=1598269272
[11:41] <Darkside> it fixes up some of the errors
[11:41] <PE2BZ> No, I overlooked that one !
[11:42] <PE2BZ> This one is even better, thanks !
[11:43] <Darkside> if you want better range on 4FSK, you coul ddrop the baud rate to 50 baud
[11:43] <PE2BZ> updated on my website :-)
[11:44] <Darkside> but thats only going to net you a 3db improvement, so maybe another 50% better range
[11:44] <Darkside> but i think you are limited by horizon, not range :-)
[11:44] <PE2BZ> I won´t go for 50 baud.
[11:45] <PE2BZ> The TX string has to be half the size to decode between the garbage in the ISM band over here.
[11:46] <Darkside> ahh
[11:47] <Darkside> so the decoder seems to lock in well enough even with weak signal
[11:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03GOL2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GOL2
[11:48] <PE2BZ> Let me re-think that. 4FSK in 50 baud, not RTTY
[11:51] <Darkside> yea not sure how long the transmission is
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[11:52] <Darkside> you'll have to measure it
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[12:09] <Darkside> hrm JOHND1 only tracked down to 930m
[12:09] <Darkside> look lsike the team wasnt close nough
[12:12] <SM0ULC-David> big mountains?
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[12:18] <PE2BZ> 10 seconds of pure silence between 4fsk transmissions :-)
[12:24] <Darkside> lol
[12:27] <Darkside> well there ya go
[12:27] <Darkside> put one of those up
[12:30] <PE2BZ> TX started 12:!5 UTC on used batteries.
[12:37] <Darkside> PE2BZ: what i did around here was launch a few cut-down RS41s on 100g balloons to get people used to tracking with just the 4FSK telemetry
[12:37] <Darkside> now all the regulars are set up to receive
[12:38] <PE2BZ> I am considering HiFloat in a 100 gram Hwoyee balloon, and either 2 x Energizer or 1 time CR123 A, depending on the path / battery life.
[12:38] <PE2BZ> Even my brother succesfully installed the horus gui in 2 minutes ;-)
[12:40] <Darkside> still have some bugs to sort out
[12:40] <Darkside> DK6OV reported some of the GUI elements not updateding correctly with new telemetry
[12:40] <Darkside> and i need to fix the size of the position report font under windows
[13:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[13:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03AIRCOR-3 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AIRCOR-3
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[14:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Pu3bsc_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Pu3bsc_chase
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[14:33] <eor> https://i.imgur.com/knJsYaR.png
[14:33] <eor> interesting glitch on the map
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[15:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KK6UUQ-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6UUQ-1
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[15:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS31 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS31
[15:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB2CPU-11 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB2CPU-11
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[17:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N6CVO-13 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N6CVO-13
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[18:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HAPPYSAT-4FSK after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HAPPYSAT-4FSK
[18:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BB10 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BB10
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[20:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03GSN-TS-1 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GSN-TS-1
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