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[09:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ARY3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ARY3
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[09:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BMB5 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BMB5
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[10:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03xttn after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=xttn
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[11:17] <PE2BZ> xaben on the ttn map https://ttnmapper.org/experiments/?experiment=xaben&startdate=2020-07-02&enddate=2020-07-02&gateways=on&lines=on&points=on
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[12:31] <PE2BZ> My first XABEN on 4963 m altitude, outdoor groundplane at 13 m altitude, 1 m above the roof
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[12:56] <RocketBoy> got a feeling it is gonna get wet
[12:56] <PE2BZ> Does it have floating capabilities....
[12:58] <RocketBoy> rot really - its a sealed box but waters gonna get in if its in the water for a long period
[12:59] <PE2BZ> Could you share the device address ?
[13:02] <RocketBoy> any reason?
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[13:15] <PE2BZ> RocketBoy, are you also taking my 39.043 m altitude record ?
[13:16] <RocketBoy> we will se
[13:16] <RocketBoy> see
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[13:18] <PE2BZ> Sea that is ;-)
[13:22] <JohnLaidler> It's still going up! Very impressive. 😀
[13:24] <daveake> That's an impressive list of receivers :)
[14:02] <dbrooke> I've only received 19 packets, which even for a single channel/SF receiver is fewer than I'd have hoped for
[14:03] <dbrooke> anyway, I don't have Ben's problem with filtering them out as it's the only thing I have received
[14:04] <PE2BZ> dbrooke, if the transmitter used all 8 channels in the tracker, you could have only 12.5 percent of the possible packets
[14:04] <dbrooke> yes, does it always use the same SF ?
[14:05] <PE2BZ> I only noticed SF12 for all the received packets over here
[14:05] <PE2BZ> I received 78 packets.
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[14:06] <dbrooke> OK, so 12.5% is right, but even so I'd have hoped for more decodes. It is my first try at LoRaWAN though so I have no previous experience to go by
[14:07] <RocketBoy> It was using all 8 channels - but in the UK there are 2 sub bands each with 1% duty cycle - the upper 3 frequencies are in one band and the lower 5 in another
[14:07] <SIbot> In real units: 5 in = 12.70 cm
[14:07] <dbrooke> I was on 868.1
[14:07] <RocketBoy> so the upper 3 have a slightly higher chance of being received
[14:08] <RocketBoy> yea 868.1 868.3 and 868.5 are the higher band - channels 1 2 and 3
[14:08] <dbrooke> looks like it made land
[14:09] <RocketBoy> and the 867MHz channels are 4 though 8
[14:09] <RocketBoy> bit illogical - but there you go
[14:09] <RocketBoy> yeah - may go and see if I can find
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[14:12] <RocketBoy> actually got the channel numbering wrong - subtract 1 from all my nos - channel nos start at 0
[14:15] <dbrooke> OK, I did have a look on the SDR also but couldn't really see anything
[14:16] <dbrooke> surprised to find what seemed to be RTTY like signals with drift just above 868 but haven't managed to get a decode
[14:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W5KUB-18 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5KUB-18
[14:17] <PE2BZ> Rtty like ? We are still in the design phase for that over here. LoRawan and RTTY in one tracker. TCXO that is,
[14:17] <RocketBoy> thanks for looking dbrooke
[14:18] <dbrooke> just using a GP with preamp at 6m AGL
[14:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K9APX-3 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K9APX-3
[14:22] <dbrooke> PE2BZ: yes, there's more than one signal with about 500Hz shift and it sounds fairly slow baud rate, maybe 100, but fairly short bursts and so far I've not locked on to anything
[14:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE2BZ tlm sent to you
[14:27] <PE2BZ> OZ1SKY_Brian, thanks !
[14:28] <PE2BZ> dbrooke, I noticed when listening in SSB to narrow FM mobile radio channels there is also an rtty like sound in the modulation. Although these frequencies are not common used for narrow FM radio, could this be the case ?
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[14:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DELTA-5L - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DELTA-5L
[14:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DELTA-5R - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DELTA-5R
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[14:46] <robbo79> hi all
[14:46] <robbo79> please expn range ring colour
[14:47] <robbo79> what does green mean
[14:47] <RocketBoy> outer blue ring is radio horizon
[14:47] <robbo79> and green
[14:48] <RocketBoy> I.e. 0 degrees inner green ring is for 5degrees I think
[14:48] <RocketBoy> Ibthink 5 degrees is whats typical - house roofs - tress local hills etc.
[14:48] <robbo79> ok
[14:49] <dbrooke> PE2BZ: I can tell that they are FSK, see right hand half of https://stuff.dbrooke.me.uk/sp-g5KM9J.png
[14:49] <robbo79> so im likely to oln pick up the ones where mylocatio falls within a green ring
[14:50] <RocketBoy> humm well typically - really depends on your radio setup.
[14:50] <robbo79> ok
[14:50] <robbo79> just got a diy 1/4 wave monopole in loft
[14:50] <robbo79> getting about 150km range
[14:51] <RocketBoy> I think it all assumes sea level height - no account of terrain.
[14:51] <robbo79> ok
[14:51] <RocketBoy> its just a gauge really - one you have listened a bit you will get a view of how your setup compares
[14:52] <RocketBoy> once
[14:53] <PE2BZ> OZ1SKY_Brian, tnx ! I am impressed. First one quite early, rather no GPS lock, 1.5 hours later steady reception for exactly one hour :-)
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[14:53] <RocketBoy> sometimes packets can be heard over the horizon - even taking rx antenna height into consideration
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[14:54] <RocketBoy> not far over the horizon - but over it never the less - atmospheric bending etc.
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[15:03] <PE2BZ> OZ1SKY_Brian, travelled 110 km/h in that hour (how would I know that....) and the hysplit run from noaa site did expect it to follow a ¨long away from receivers path¨ we are now setting up default LoRa qrg´s for intended floating trackers :-)
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[15:15] <Pit[m]> sort button does not work, order is not correct :( Darkside
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[15:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes a default lora freq would be a good idea
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[16:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03REL_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=REL_chase
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[18:58] <michal_f> what's the usual time the NOTAM shows up before launch? I have my flight this friday/saturday and I can't see it
[19:03] <daveake> Oh. Usually the afternoon of the day before.
[19:03] <daveake> Call them tomorrow
[19:04] <daveake> Have you been sent the permission etc ?
[19:07] <michal_f> yes
[19:08] <daveake> Should be OK then; where are you checking?
[19:08] <michal_f> notams.faa.gov
[19:08] <michal_f> I can see other flights in area have NOTAMS issued
[19:08] <daveake> Ah right, should be OK :D
[19:08] <michal_f> but not mine
[19:08] <daveake> I've noticed that notaminfo.com for example sometimes doesn't update
[19:08] <michal_f> this mission is a serie of bad luck
[19:10] <michal_f> including predicted land spot in river
[19:10] <daveake> hah
[19:10] <michal_f> broken camera slot, fired power regulator. today corrupted SD card... what else
[19:11] <daveake> run out of gas .... hole in balloon ...
[19:11] <michal_f> i;ve got 6 m3 of hydro ! :D
[19:11] <daveake> I've used more than that :D
[19:11] <michal_f> and a Totex from Steve - so at least here I'm more confident
[19:11] <michal_f> more that 6m3 at once ?
[19:11] <daveake> Yes, with Steve, big balloon
[19:12] <daveake> 10m3 or so
[19:12] <michal_f> ah yes, I;ve read the blogpost. I'd like to test it too in future
[19:12] <daveake> It's an expensive game
[19:13] <michal_f> I'm aware of that... even with smaller balloons costs are not negligible. That's why I've gone for heydrogene this time
[19:13] <daveake> I mean that those huge balloons are very expensive
[19:13] <michal_f> I got hydrogene and two antiflame suits, and it's still cheaper than half of helium woud be
[19:14] <michal_f> do you remember the price for that giant ?
[19:14] <daveake> Unfortunately, yes :/
[19:15] <michal_f> once in a lifetime adventure ;]
[19:15] <daveake> We did 3 :/
[19:15] <daveake> Not much change from $2000
[19:15] <michal_f> so 1/5 in a lifetime
[19:15] <SIbot> In real units: 5 in = 12.70 cm
[19:15] <michal_f> shut up sibot
[19:15] <daveake> hah
[19:16] <michal_f> wow, 2k $... I won't touch that until I have many flight under nmy belt
[19:16] <michal_f> btw. Totex == Kaymont ? Or those are two different brands ?
[19:17] <daveake> Same
[19:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BB10 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BB10
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