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[03:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BB10 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BB10
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[05:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS28 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS28
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[06:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MJA-soLar after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MJA-soLar
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[06:48] <Rebounder> test
[07:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> pass
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[07:17] <PE2BZ> rtty is on 434.736 MHz, bot on 434.662 as my payload confirms
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[07:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03P8079hp_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=P8079hp_chase
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[08:22] <Bozzey> Morning PE2BZ, I am up and running
[08:22] <PE2BZ> Morning John, nice to see :-)
[08:23] <PE2BZ> 5000 meter
[08:31] <Bozzey> Is gps working now?
[08:32] <PC4L> yep
[08:42] <SA6BSS-Mike> expected float alt?
[08:43] <PE2BZ> 7200 meter :-)
[08:43] <SA6BSS-Mike> rr
[08:43] <PE2BZ> But I had one with 11 gram payload touching 10k
[08:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> yep, but those often burst seccond day
[08:45] <SA6BSS-Mike> fot those interesed, BSS28 flying under a custom homemade balloon https://imgur.com/1KOUolj
[08:45] <SA6BSS-Mike> https://imgur.com/u0WZAXj
[08:47] <PE2BZ> SA6BSS-Mike, ¨the second day¨ ;-) I blamed the German for stealing it. That one disappeared on the same day, at 10 km altitude without any trace afterwards...
[08:47] <PE2BZ> You make nice balloons :-)
[08:47] <SA6BSS-Mike> it bursted :)
[08:47] <SA6BSS-Mike> tnx, ot that hard, just to source the foil is kind of hard
[08:48] <PE2BZ> Usually, with 11 gram payloads you get a report after burst every now and than... ;-)
[08:48] <SA6BSS-Mike> not if its on solar ??
[08:48] <PE2BZ> What are the costs compared to the ¨professional made¨ SBS BSS BSB or something balloons?
[08:50] <Lahti> new antenna test qfacone direction south https://tracker.sondehub.org/?sondehub=1#!mt=osm&mz=7&qm=All&mc=60.2752,24.25361&f=RS_S2530673&q=RS_S2530673
[08:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> I got film enough to make 4 "big" balloons for free
[08:52] <SIbot> In real units: 4 in = 10.16 cm
[08:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> but I guess the cost would probably be around 15-20 eur to make one
[08:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> I had cutofs so I could only make them "this" big, with a rolle I could make them a tad larger
[08:54] <SA6BSS-Mike> = higher alt
[08:55] <PE2BZ> BSS28 was launched yesterday ?
[08:56] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes
[08:56] <PE2BZ> How much ¨free lift¨ ?
[08:56] <SA6BSS-Mike> almost 6 gram
[08:57] <PE2BZ> I would say that´s a lot ... But is works ;-)
[08:57] <SA6BSS-Mike> so the tset for this flight was to see if the film and seams could withstand highrt pressure
[08:57] <PE2BZ> Did you weigh the ¨bunch of plastic foil¨ or just measure the lift ?
[08:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> and to use a wspr board under this balloon compared to previous aprs used
[08:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> a scale, looking for picc...
[08:59] <PE2BZ> I am curious what the balloon weighs, compared to 36 inch foil balloons.
[08:59] <SIbot> In real units: 36 in = 0.9 m
[09:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> they are arround 90 gram or so
[09:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> last one got up to 11986m
[09:01] <PE2BZ> Did you do some ¨pressure loss¨ testing on that type of homemade balloons ?
[09:02] <PE2BZ> Last time you said the Qualatex 36 inch do leak over night, which I did test with Cattex 36 inch, 18 gram necklift, and one week later 17,9 gram. For this flight I planned to use a Qualatex 36 inch, last sunday, which was already filled, 17 gram neck lift, measured yesterday, only 9 gram lift left.
[09:02] <SIbot> In real units: 36 in = 0.9 m
[09:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> I messure the lift with a scale with a taped hook and used negative grams
[09:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> hmm
[09:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> good to know
[09:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> I have looked for cattex arround here but have not found any
[09:04] <SA6BSS-Mike> going for grabos
[09:04] <SA6BSS-Mike> baloons
[09:04] <SA6BSS-Mike> a frined called them up and had a couple of questions about them, they awnsered and then asked for the adress
[09:05] <SA6BSS-Mike> they sent 8 largest silver foil to each of us :)
[09:05] <PE2BZ> That´s nice for hobby :-)
[09:11] <PE2BZ> I use a clamp with 3 gram weight and fill the balloon to lift the tracker weight. I trust in the 3 gram free lift. However, this morning the scale witn tenths of grams appeared to be left at the QRL so I have a bit of margin now....
[09:13] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes, that was waht I used to do
[09:14] <SA6BSS-Mike> but much more exact to use a clamp and a scale with a string between
[09:15] <PE2BZ> That´s the way I do it. Bottle of water with a screw eye on top to hold the string.
[09:16] <PE2BZ> Close the door when filling... At work the door is 3 x 3 meter one time the wind blew it from the hook...
[09:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> hehe
[09:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes, almost imposible to get a correct readinf with the balloon moving
[09:29] <Lahti> 400-406MHz qfacone https://aijaa.com/5QRLgQ
[09:32] <Lahti> qfacone in high tower https://aijaa.com/repm7Q
[09:34] <PE2BZ> Nice, the first image is a bit confusing ;-)
[09:36] <Lahti> radio waves hypnotizing pattern reflected lol
[09:36] <PE2BZ> So, they can´t escape and you are the only receiver :-)
[09:39] <Darkside> Lahti: so only interested in sondes in a particular direction?
[09:40] <SA6BSS-Mike> guess it directed at Vaisal HQ
[09:40] <SA6BSS-Mike> :)
[09:40] <SA6BSS-Mike> launch detection!
[09:40] <Lahti> yes this antenna is just south facing
[09:42] <Lahti> i will try to grab latvia with it as long as the meteorological institute on the same frequency would malfunction lol
[09:43] <Rebounder> hunting sondes?
[09:44] <Lahti> https://aijaa.com/gez3WG
[09:44] Nick change: Rebounder -> SM0ULC-David
[09:44] <Darkside> Lahti: the range filtering options in the testing branch might help selectively track the vaisala launched sondes
[09:44] <Lahti> https://aijaa.com/iyf4JP
[09:45] <PE2BZ> Lahti, isn´t this very narrow angle reception ?
[09:46] <Lahti> Vaisala is so easy, you have to look beyond the challenge
[10:00] <PE2BZ> SA6BSS-Mike, I was 1900 meter off altitude...
[10:05] <SA6BSS-Mike> :)
[10:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> PE2BZ: any wspr board going up sson?
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[10:24] <PE2BZ> PC4L might fly a wspr tracker before me. I am assembling an ¨uSD card¨ at the moment.... But that´s tiny !
[10:24] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok
[10:25] <SA6BSS-Mike> whats that you assambleing?
[10:25] <PE2BZ> Eduard did send me 2 of the tiny PCB´s with QFN
[10:26] <PE2BZ> And I am assembling a Prusa :-)
[10:27] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok
[10:27] <SA6BSS-Mike> 3d prinet?
[10:27] <SA6BSS-Mike> *printer
[10:28] <PE2BZ> :-)
[10:32] <PE2BZ> My 7 weeks delayed birthday present
[10:33] <SA6BSS-Mike> :) theres a million things to do with that
[10:34] <PE2BZ> During assembly you learn a lot what you can do with 3d printed parts. Stepper motor holders are 3d printed :-) And I have plans to make an AZ-EL box for my 1500 - 1800 MHz panel antenna :-)
[10:37] <daveake> I bought one a little while ago ... it's only once you've had one for a little while that you ralise how useful they can be :)
[10:37] <daveake> (and how much of a PITA too)
[10:39] <PE2BZ> please don´t scare me ;-)
[10:44] <daveake> heh :)
[10:45] <daveake> Nah, I bought a cheap one with a mix head. Cheap mix heads are to be avoided
[10:49] <PE2BZ> I have been reassembling 2 pieces... The first time I made an assumption, which was almost right ;-) the second I folded 2 pages of the instructions at once so skippen another part. And with 30 degrees over here I am not into assemmbling now.
[10:59] <SA6BSS-Mike> Like how you assamble Ikea furniture :)
[11:00] <PE2BZ> Ikea does not send an amount of gummi bears you can eat after finishing a part of the assembly. However, I am at 15 percent but the bag is allready empty.
[11:00] <PE2BZ> #iamweak
[11:02] <SA6BSS-Mike> lol
[11:07] <PE2BZ> https://www.ready.noaa.gov/hypubout/trajplot_192954.pdf
[11:08] <PE2BZ> This might stay out of reach for Brian
[11:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-76 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-76
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[11:24] <PE2BZ> Bozzey, it might happen ;-)
[11:27] <Bozzey> Needs a little push west
[11:40] <PE2BZ> No, a bit more norht and that´s good for low elevation / local antennas :-)
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[11:45] <ON4AOL> gmiddag
[11:46] <PE2BZ> Bon Shoarma ;-)
[11:47] <ON4AOL> is MJA solar in de lucht Marcel ?
[11:47] <PE2BZ> Ja, 434.737 RTTY
[11:47] <ON4AOL> Aah , ik had 434.662 gelezen
[11:47] <PE2BZ> I entered a wrong QRG sorry....
[11:48] <ON4AOL> Ok but other settings are the same ?
[11:48] <PE2BZ> But you can blame PC4L ;-)
[11:48] <PE2BZ> Yes
[11:48] <ON4AOL> Ok , sri name is Luc
[11:48] <PE2BZ> But choose the RTTY payload in DL-fldigi, not the LoRa payload.
[11:49] <PE2BZ> Roger Luc, Ben hier.
[11:49] <ON4AOL> Kan enkel rtty
[11:50] <PE2BZ> Geen probleem :-) die heeft iets meer problemen met de solar spanning dan de LoRa uitzending, maar is heel stabiel of frequentie. Als je hem één keer groen hebt kan de AFC in fldigi beter uit
[11:50] <ON4AOL> vind hem nog niet op binnenantenne , zal moeten overschakelen
[11:53] <PE2BZ> Ik ben bang dat hij zojuist ge ¨burst¨ is
[11:53] <PC4L> dat zei je 2 uur geleden ook al
[11:54] <PE2BZ> Sorry hoor ;-)
[11:54] <ON4AOL> ik zie geen signaal
[11:54] <PE2BZ> Suddenly I notice -7 m/s so I assumed burst again.
[11:54] <PE2BZ> ON4AOL, 9 km altitude
[11:55] <ON4AOL> ja zie ik op habhb
[11:59] <ON4AOL> heel flauw signaal en veel drift op de freq
[12:00] <PC4L> I think -7 is the strength of your glasses :)
[12:02] <PC4L> On the GP Luc?? GA BTW
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[12:06] <ON4AOL> ja , maar signaal is voor mij zwak en onstabiel? geen decoding hier
[12:08] <ON4AOL> eerste maal $$$$$$$ maar de rest kwijt
[12:08] <ON4AOL> , nu wel een packet denk ik
[12:09] <ON4AOL> $$$MLA-solaR,791,12:08:085265400,.61056,9160,16,70-p.3,370,3n67*8997
[12:09] <PC4L> almost :)
[12:09] <PC4L> $$MJA-solaR,791,12:08:08,52.65400,3.61056,9160,16,70,-0.3,3.70,3.67*8997
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[12:13] <ON4AOL> $$$$$MJA-solaR,806,12:13:18,52.66946,3.61236,9173,16,70,-1.9,3.68,3.65*AAAF
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[13:08] <ON4AOL> QRT , CUL tnx Luc
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[13:10] <PC4L> bye 4 now Luc
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[14:27] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DK0LG after 0315 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK0LG
[14:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Ph1m__chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Ph1m__chase
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[15:48] <PE2BZ> daveake, any plans to add distance, heading, elevation info to the LoRa gateway ?
[15:48] <daveake> What you need is my HAB Base program :)
[15:49] <PE2BZ> I do :-)
[15:49] <daveake> Manage any number of gateways, serial receivers etc from one program
[15:49] <PE2BZ> I did miss something ;-)
[15:49] <daveake> Also listens to habhub and will let you know when a balloon is within range
[15:50] <daveake> Well not released yet but you can be the beta test :)
[15:50] <PE2BZ> So, if my solar tracker returns on the map in 3 days in LoRa I get the info ? Sounds nice !
[15:50] <daveake> Do you follow me on twitter? I've posted a few screenshots over the months
[15:50] <PE2BZ> I do :-)
[15:50] <daveake> :)
[15:51] <daveake> So you can tell it your location and what radius you're interested in
[15:51] <PE2BZ> Just to miss nothing. I failed succesfully ;-)
[15:51] <daveake> Then anything in that radius will pop up on the map
[15:51] <PE2BZ> away for cooking a bit.
[15:51] <daveake> It doesn't, but could, also check elevation
[15:51] <daveake> ok
[15:51] <daveake> Send me an email dave@sccs.co.uk I'll send the exe to you
[15:53] <daveake> And please send feedback there's lots it could do that I might not have thought of
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[17:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> PE2BZ: https://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/1493_trj001.gif
[17:04] <Bozzey> Looks like just out of range for me
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[17:11] <PE2BZ> Bozzey, just to short :-(
[17:12] <PE2BZ> SA6BSS-Mike, thanks Mike, will find an omnidirectional for the LoRa receiver over here. It might appear again :-)
[17:12] <Bozzey> Did get something on the screen about errors, so was close
[17:12] <PE2BZ> To bad... CRC errors ?
[17:13] <PE2BZ> That means close indeed....
[17:13] <Bozzey> Can't remember now what the error was, rebooted since
[17:13] <PE2BZ> Can you leave it running for tomorrow ?
[17:13] <Bozzey> Sure can
[17:13] <PE2BZ> If it shifts left ¨just a bit¨ ;-)
[17:16] <Bozzey> Just looked at log file, "FreqErr"
[17:16] <PE2BZ> With a value ? Like +2 kHz ?
[17:16] <Bozzey> Yes, had 5.8 then -2.3
[17:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> PE2BZ: yep, omni could be a good idea if it swings back
[17:19] <PE2BZ> I did set it up on an x-50 at work. That one only received 7 strings today, 2 km from my QTH
[17:21] <PE2BZ> There are 2 local transmitters (tetra) on 428 MHz, one 52 meter tower at 390 MHz (Tetra) and on 800 m distance a 60 m tower with broadcast 50 kW erp at 87.6 MHz
[17:21] <PE2BZ> Which one should I filter....
[17:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> just a bpf for 70cm
[17:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> and no preamps
[17:38] <PE2BZ> Will take the 433 bpf from home with me tomorrow. I have a notch for 428 Mhz ( -22 dB) with 2 dB loss at 434 also.
[17:38] <PE2BZ> OZ1SKY_Brian, what was your beacon frequency ?
[17:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://5p22u.mine.nu/
[17:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03AIRCOR-3 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AIRCOR-3
[17:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> Frequency: 432.428 MHz
[17:40] <PE2BZ> Thanks Mike!
[17:44] <PE2BZ> 11 hours of solartainment so far....
[17:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> yep, good value :)
[18:11] <SM0ULC-David> evening guys!
[18:13] <PE2BZ> Good evening!
[18:14] <SM0ULC-David> MJA is floating nicely
[18:16] <PE2BZ> Thanks :-)
[18:16] <PE2BZ> All with a scale with no digits behind the decimal.
[18:40] <Bozzey> Radio silence for nearly an hour, problem or just out of range?
[18:43] <PE2BZ> Bozzey, did you see the sun getting lower and lower ? ;-)
[18:44] <PE2BZ> With 11 gram total weight there was nothing left for a battery.
[18:46] <Bozzey> Sorry, understand now, still learning here (y)
[18:46] <PE2BZ> No problem :-)
[18:56] <Bozzey> Right, got to go, but will leave my Pi/Lora running....
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[20:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W5KUB-18 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5KUB-18
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[21:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03xttn after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=xttn
[21:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03TRILO after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TRILO
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[21:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE2BZ GE, 432.428
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