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[01:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK2HAB-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK2HAB-11
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[02:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK2GJ-7_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK2GJ-7_chase
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[03:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W5KUB-18 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5KUB-18
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[04:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YO4SJI-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YO4SJI-11
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[06:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gm
[06:18] <Darkside> OZ1SKY_Brian: afternoon
[06:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Afternnon Mark. Looks like the pc4l ran out of TTN stations or landed/broke
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[07:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Darkside another one going up with low BT timer, still want a recording?
[07:12] <Darkside> yes please!
[07:12] <Darkside> especially if the battery goes screwy
[07:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL2623-4_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL2623-4_chase
[07:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok, just audio or full spactrum?
[07:15] <Darkside> audio is fine
[07:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok
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[07:17] <Darkside> ohi dfm
[07:17] <Darkside> OZ1SKY_Brian might be seeing one of these weird battery report sondes
[07:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> nfm 12khz is ok ?
[07:19] <Darkside> as long as its decodable
[07:20] <Darkside> e.g. if you can feed it into rs41tracker and its decodable thats fine
[07:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ill make a small sample
[07:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah it just stopped
[07:22] <Darkside> damn
[07:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> but did record, so lets see if it will decode
[07:23] <Darkside> dfm: copy your e-mail... ill see if one of the admins can remove the restriction since the spam issue appears to have slowed
[07:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> need to work out how to open a wav in rs41tracker
[07:23] <Darkside> not sure who the admins are though...
[07:24] <Darkside> OZ1SKY_Brian: can you dump the wav file somewhere?
[07:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sure
[07:24] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> ohh, eastwards wind, unusual
[07:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> https://easyupload.io/46l2zn
[07:26] <Darkside> hmm not decoding
[07:26] <Darkside> probably too much filtering
[07:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok ill see if there comes another one
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[07:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and do a baseband recording
[07:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Darkside try this, just another sonde, but to test the file https://easyupload.io/av1fs3
[07:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 250KHz wide recording
[07:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ill try to make a just 20khz wide baseband recording
[07:40] <Darkside> urgh
[07:40] <Darkside> what did you do the recording with
[07:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sdr console
[07:40] <Darkside> urgh
[07:40] <Darkside> its a pain to deal with them, i would prefer a FM demodulated recording that actually has decent filtering
[07:41] <Darkside> or the recording directly out of auto_rx
[07:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> dont know how to do that
[07:41] <Darkside> you might try somethign like piping SDR# into RS41Tracker
[07:41] <Darkside> see if that recodes
[07:42] <Darkside> decodes*
[07:42] <Darkside> you can use soemthing like VBcable to route the audio around
[07:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ill try that
[07:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> not really working
[07:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok got something now, but it does not seem to be very stable in decoding
[07:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> random decodes
[07:54] <Darkside> can you compare the data to what your auto_rx station is seeing?
[07:54] <Darkside> e.g. battery values
[07:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> got problems even getting a signal lock in rs41tracker
[07:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i never use it
[07:56] <Darkside> its all going to be about the FM filtering
[07:56] <Darkside> sdr console is probably going to be filtering the FM audio which will kill the decoder
[07:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> using a WFM filter with no deemphasis and no highpass filter
[07:57] <Darkside> and you've narrowed up the bandwidth right around the signal?
[07:57] <Darkside> and im not sure WFM is goign to work
[07:57] <Darkside> it might result in a signal with too small output deviation
[07:58] <Darkside> try SDR# if you havent tried that already
[07:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yeah last resort, i sdr# i cant define what sdr to use and i got 4 connected, so will need to remove the others
[07:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wait got a decode now
[08:01] <Darkside> still better to fix the demodulation so its reliable
[08:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> for some reason im not getting temp,ptu,hum or dew
[08:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> othe others are filling in
[08:02] <Darkside> you wont get the sensor data until it gets a complete set of cal data
[08:02] <Darkside> which is sent across multiple transmissions
[08:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok signal might be too weak
[08:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> only 1deg elevation
[08:03] <Darkside> ahh
[08:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 415km away
[08:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> got temp now
[08:07] <Darkside> OZ1SKY_Brian: dfm was able to decode the recording
[08:07] <Darkside> the batt voltage is fine in it
[08:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh good
[08:08] <Darkside> lemme check the recording options in auto_rx...
[08:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> auto_rx said 1641.1V
[08:08] <Darkside> hrm
[08:08] <Darkside> maybe not in the same timeframe then?
[08:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> you need to decode the last min
[08:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its just before shutdown the voltage go nuts
[08:09] <Darkside> so thats not in your recording then
[08:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hmmm
[08:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> S1310430 right?
[08:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sri S1310451
[08:10] <Darkside> no the recording was of P2250673
[08:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thats was the test recordings, first file
[08:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> https://easyupload.io/46l2zn
[08:11] <Darkside> dfm: ^
[08:11] <Darkside> i cant decode it easily atm, working on other stuff
[08:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> that should be S1310451
[08:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> last frame BT 00:00:19 1641.1 V
[08:12] <dfm> Hello?
[08:12] <Darkside> hi!
[08:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi dfm
[08:12] <Darkside> thats working
[08:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> got rs41tracker working now with sdr console
[08:15] <dfm> WFM is the right FM-setting for SDRConsole, NFM is not good (de-emph?).
[08:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes using WFM in sdr console
[08:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> now that is, so the recording might be useless
[08:16] <dfm> SDRConsole is fine, in particular the multiple radios.
[08:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> will have to see if there is anoter sonde going up
[08:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> in sdr# i cant define what rx of the 4 i want to use, when i start the software, so its a issue, in console i can
[08:17] <dfm> Only thing I'm missing is a "RAW" demodulation, i.e. only IF (with lowpass filter) like in SDRSharp, so it could be sent to a virtual audio device for decoding IF IQ-data.
[08:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> have to remove the 3 other sdr, to use sdr#, will have to do that if there is another sonde going up from the army range with BT enabled
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[08:19] <Darkside> OZ1SKY_Brian: you could turn on save_decode_iq in your auto_rx config
[08:19] <Darkside> that will dump the IQ to disk, but it will overwrite it with each new sonde
[08:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> phone, brb
[08:19] <Darkside> so you need to be careful
[08:19] <Darkside> it will also thrash your uSD card
[08:20] <dfm> You cannot choose the right sdr-device in SDR#? No serial number?
[08:22] <dfm> OZ1SKY_Brian: SDRConsole with WFM and 8kHz lowpass filter gives good FM-recordings.
[08:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> how about i just make remote access to the tuner
[08:26] <Darkside> OZ1SKY_Brian: just enable saving of IQ
[08:26] <Darkside> and make sure you have enough free space on the pi
[08:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i got 3 tuners on it, will i make a file for each tuner, if it starts decoding 3 sondes?
[08:27] <Darkside> yep...
[08:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok
[08:27] <Darkside> which could be a problem
[08:27] <Darkside> depending on your SD card
[08:27] <Darkside> i really dont know how big the files will get
[08:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok i better use sdr# then, dont want to trash the auto_rx
[08:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok ill see if there is another going up with the Bt on and get a recording in sdr#
[08:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i think thats more "safe"
[08:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> dfm to your question about sdr# and tuners, yes you can see 4 tuners in it, but you can´t see the serialnumber, they are just listed as 1,2,3,4, so you dont know what is what
[08:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> in sdr console you can see the serial number
[08:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i got serial number labels on the sdrs, so i can see 9 is connected to this antenna and 8 is connected to that antenna.
[08:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> but in sdr# i have no idea what is what
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[08:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> all the sdrs are coded with serial numbers 1-9
[08:49] <dfm> Don't the generic rtl-sdr have all the same serial number 0..0001? In sdr-radio (sdrconsole) I read something about editing EEPROM: https://www.sdr-radio.com/rtl-dongles
[08:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i did that, editeded the serial numbers on all my sdrs
[08:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> so i know what is what
[08:53] <dfm> So only SDRConsole knows how to read the edited SN?
[08:57] <dfm> I'm scanning my rs41-recordings... found some 1641.0 and 1640.9 For me it's just a bit set in the upper byte, though I don't know why there are 2 bytes needed for battery in the first place... I would change that such that only 1 byte is read, the second byte might be some status.
[09:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> dfm yes only console reads the serial number
[09:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> a new with BT going up now
[09:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Bt timer 58min
[09:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> will be abit before its in range here
[09:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> RS_S1230596
[09:04] <dfm> I found some older examples from Zagreb and Udine, just after burst, they had BK activated. Maybe it indicates an upcoming shut-down.
[09:04] <dfm> Highest regular value is 3.0, just after launch. makes sense.
[09:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes 2x1.5
[09:08] <dfm> Lithium batteries have high voltage.
[09:08] <dfm> I found:
[09:09] <dfm> 16409 & 0xFF = 25 , 16410 & 0xFF = 26 , 16411 & 0xFF = 27 , always bit14 is set for some reason. But these higher bits shouldn't be considererd for voltage anyway.
[09:11] <dfm> Essen (no BK) never. Highest value: 3.2
[09:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-76 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-76
[09:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes but batt are not new and they prop have them turned on some time before launch, so seeing more then 3V is rare i would think.
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[09:28] <dfm> 3.2 is rare, 3.0 more often
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[09:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> not sure im able to get it, only 28min left
[09:31] <dfm> I looked at two of the bit14-values, both with BK=1, shuts down after burst. The bit is set in the last 5 frames before shutdown. But didn't happen regulary, otherwise I would have seen many more.
[09:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and its a bad freq, i got a another qrm signal on 402.0
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[09:41] <dfm> Lowest value 2.3
[09:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> going to be close, -0.15deg and 16min left
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[09:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> seeing a signal now, but there is a unwanted signal there also, ill give it a try
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[09:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> will 16bit baseband do?
[09:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> dfm
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[09:47] <dfm> 16 bit is ok. can you record normal wav, not 64?
[09:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> did you want sdr# baseband recording?
[09:48] <dfm> in sdr# yuo can also record 8bit
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[09:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok if 8bit will do ill do that
[09:48] <dfm> But not 250k bandwidth, that's weak.
[09:49] <dfm> If you use SDR#, do the following:
[09:50] <dfm> Choose in Radio "RAW" as demod, then record 16bit stereo audio (audio!), it will record the IF. If you choose 1Msps, it will have 32kHz sampling rate, for IQ-recording enough.
[09:51] <dfm> If you record the IF-band, the bandwidth is smaller, so better use 16bit then. Files will still be small.
[09:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and sampling mode?
[09:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> quadrature sample?
[09:51] <dfm> sampling mode? iq, yes.
[09:52] <OZ1SKY_Brian> https://pasteboard.co/JbvCRqF.png
[09:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no I+Q
[09:53] <dfm> In the Recording-Tab you can choose "Audio" and "Baseband", in "RAW"-mode choose "Audio" for recording the IQ-data of the decimated IF-band.
[09:54] <dfm> Yes, quadrature of course, not direct sampling.
[09:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> recording, no time left, bt less than 5min
[09:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 1msps, raw, audio, 16bit
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[09:55] <dfm> Does it show the recorded file size? Should be progressing slower than recording baseband.
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[09:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 13mb now
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[09:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> bt timer 2½min
[09:56] <dfm> The filename should have _IQ.wav at the end in RAW-mode.
[09:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> it does
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[09:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> signal going weak now :-(
[09:57] <dfm> That's the best way to record IQ-data of a single signal. Usually I choose the widest lowpass setting 32k for recording, filtering can be done later.
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[09:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> stopped now
[09:58] <dfm> let's see.
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[09:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> https://easyupload.io/rlc2kj
[10:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> last BT timer was 00:00:04
[10:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> arhhh
[10:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> it didnt show a voltage error on that sonde.
[10:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> we cant use that
[10:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> for debug
[10:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> :-(
[10:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> or can we, i see my auto_rx didnt get the last packets, try it and see
[10:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> the rx in sweden got the 00:00:04 but in habhub i can´t see the voltage
[10:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hope you can pull the last packets from the file
[10:03] <Darkside> yeah i dont push the voltage into habhub sorry
[10:03] <Darkside> i might change that
[10:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lets see if the file i usable
[10:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> new launch from the site, again a freq i got some qrm on, bugger
[10:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SA6BSS-Mike|2 are you there mike?
[10:06] <dfm> there is some frequency offset, maybe +500Hz, did not look closer. Do you use the IF-window in sdr# for centering the signal?
[10:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W5KUB-18 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5KUB-18
[10:07] <dfm> It is decodable, some frames missing, but I don't see anormal batt-values. Last frame:
[10:07] <dfm> [ 4194] (S1230596) (2.7 V) Thu 2020-06-04 09:56:40.001 (W 2108) lat: 59.40104 lon: 14.42012 alt: 17309.57 vH: 6.0 D: 310.6 vV: 4.7 sats: 11
[10:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> IF windows, i dont use sdr# much, i think i just need to make a baseband, there is too much to go wrong if its not baseband
[10:07] <dfm> Still going up.
[10:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok ive seen it more than once that the voltage on the last few packet had errors
[10:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and its allways been on sondes with a BT timer on
[10:09] <dfm> Darkside: Probably best to cut the upper byte off, like in the test-code.
[10:09] <Darkside> dfm: yeah i guess so
[10:10] <dfm> OZ1SKY_Brian: Yes, I have found some examples, too. But not many, not all the burst-kill/kill-timer soundings had this.
[10:10] <Darkside> dfm: so the single byte provides a sufficient voltage range?
[10:10] <Darkside> or os it spread over more than one byte
[10:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its not a problem for me, i only said it if mark was interested.
[10:11] <dfm> probably. It's div 10.0, so even if it would be signed 8 bit, it would go up to 12.7V. Most I have seen is 3.2
[10:12] <Darkside> yeah same
[10:12] <Darkside> so yeah, i think just use that single byte, that will be fine
[10:13] <dfm> Don't know who did this and why 2 bytes. Maybe the upper byte is some status, maybe even related to voltage supply.
[10:13] <dfm> ok, have to take a break.
[10:13] <Darkside> thanks for your help!
[10:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> later dfm thanks for your help
[10:14] <dfm> no problem, thank's for pointing this out
[10:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> need anymore recordings or are you good?
[10:15] <dfm> If you want, you can make these compact IF-recordings, and if there is another example, maybe it would interesting to take a look.
[10:15] <dfm> Ok, you don't want to use SDR# all the time...
[10:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok ill see if i can record the next one, but i have a qrm issue on 405.0
[10:16] <dfm> No, it is not so important.
[10:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ill give it a try, im off today anyway :-)
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[10:33] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> OZ1SKY_Brian: hi
[10:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi mike, i think we have it under control, just needed help recording a sonde, but i got it
[10:34] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> okj
[10:36] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> I recors a couple of min if you need it later
[10:36] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> 405.3?
[10:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its just the last min before the shut down timer kicks in
[10:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 405.000
[10:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> bit i have the signal here
[10:37] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> ok, its on the side to the yagi and Im not home
[10:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no problem, i see the signal
[10:38] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> rr
[10:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Darkside got the error this time
[10:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 1641.0V
[10:49] <Darkside> yeah so i think we know what it is now
[10:49] <Darkside> its just an incorrect use of one of the bytes
[10:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> recording https://easyupload.io/1f7lei
[10:49] <Darkside> dfm will fix it
[10:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> if he wants it
[10:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KN6EQU-2 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KN6EQU-2
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[13:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 034Z7HKA_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4Z7HKA_chase
[13:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ph1m-ttn1 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ph1m-ttn1
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[14:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DK0LG after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK0LG
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[15:22] <YO3ICT> http://dorji.com/docs/data/DRF1268T.pdf Can this act as a PITS Gateway? It does not have the DIO5 pin.
[15:49] <daveake> Yes set DIO5 to zero
[15:50] <daveake> hmmm that appears to be a lie :)
[15:50] <daveake> I'll mod the source so you can disable the use of DIO5
[15:53] <YO3ICT> What exactly should I do? I'm trying to get up and running a fellow, so he can also listen to my upcoming flight, in a week or so.
[15:55] <daveake> Edit the gateway.c file
[15:55] <daveake> Locate these lines ... https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ys07hRoP/
[15:56] <daveake> Comment out the while loop, and uncomment out the delay liner
[15:56] <daveake> line
[15:56] <daveake> Save the file, run make, job jobbed
[15:56] <YO3ICT> Hold your horses...a closer look at the LoRa module reveals that he does not have DIO0 either...
[15:56] <YO3ICT> :(
[15:56] <daveake> Won't work then
[15:56] <daveake> I could change the code so that it polls the chip for the DIO status over SPI but ... not happening
[15:57] <YO3ICT> Yes, that's too much trouble
[15:57] <daveake> DIO0 is used for knowing when packets arrive; seems a bit odd that they've not connected it
[15:57] <daveake> Add a wire :)
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[15:58] <YO3ICT> https://imgur.com/a/gQqT7HI The Semtech chipset does not have it, either
[15:59] <daveake> That's a different chip anyway
[15:59] <daveake> So yet another reason why it won't work
[16:00] <YO3ICT> Indeed, let me look for 1268 explicitly
[16:00] <daveake> SX1278
[16:00] <YO3ICT> Yes, won't work. He needs the 1278. I'll pass this info along.
[16:01] <YO3ICT> Thanks Dave
[16:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PIAVR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PIAVR
[16:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KK6UUQ-9 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6UUQ-9
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[17:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N0CALL_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N0CALL_chase
[17:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03R2331312_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=R2331312_chase
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[18:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PA7MieKe - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PA7MieKe
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[20:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03cayennelpp1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=cayennelpp1
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[21:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03cayennelpp3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=cayennelpp3
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[23:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TRILO - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TRILO
[23:16] Nick change: russss_ -> russss
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