highaltitude.log.20200427

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[03:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS25 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS25
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[04:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gm
[06:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Any visual basic people in here, who know how to send a serial string to a comport using a button?. pse PM me
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[07:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> disregard i think i found a solution
[08:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0RPI_Chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0RPI_Chase
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[08:40] <PE2BZ> SA6BSS-Mike, do you clean any flux after the PCB is finished ?
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[08:50] <chris_99> https://www.hackasat.com/
[09:11] <craag> "Each entrant [team or an individual] must include at least one U.S. citizen or permanent resident."
[09:11] <chris_99> yeah :(
[09:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> PE2BZ: yes, uses chemical alcohol and a old tothbruch
[09:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> I have cut of the bruch so its only 4-5mm long
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[09:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> and then some water with the same brusch, turns on the stove and let it heat for 40sec and then put the pcb on there fo 10-15 sec to dry
[09:26] <PE2BZ> Thanks info :-)
[09:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YO3ICT-PITS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YO3ICT-PITS
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[10:18] <SM0ULC-David> chris_99: don't you know any americans that can "participate"?
[10:20] <chris_99> heh, alas not. I don't have the skills anyway, it does sound really interesting though, it doesn't seem to give any information on the satellite itself though yet, from what i can see
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[10:26] <craag> I imagine that the online qualifier will be standard CTF challenges, perhaps with a 'space theme'.
[10:27] <craag> And I see in the details they state that the final event "may be realistic of a space hardware scenario" - ie. it's probably just a simulator.
[10:27] <chris_99> ah yeah i just found that bit
[10:27] <chris_99> it does say 'Top-ranked teams from the Qualifying Event will be given initial documentation and a prototype flatsat prior to the Final Event.' too, which sounds interesting
[10:29] <craag> That is neat. The US military are big on cubesat development as part of their training schools, so they'll have a fair few decent flatsats around :)
[10:30] <chris_99> it'd be cool if the final sat was in orbit, you could maybe use AWS's ground station stuff to communicate with it i guess
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[11:54] <SpeedEvil> shame starlink links seem likely to be unsuitable for lightweight stuff
[11:54] <SpeedEvil> Though private beta is in 3 months and public beta in 6
[11:55] <chris_99> you mean 'lightweight stuff' to communicate with it?
[11:55] <SpeedEvil> yes
[11:55] <chris_99> what kind of antenna do you need?
[11:55] <SpeedEvil> Well, the 'pizza sized' basestation seems unlikely to be very light.
[11:56] <russss> still lightweight compared to existing VSAT
[11:56] <SpeedEvil> Sure.
[11:56] <SpeedEvil> I meant from a HAB POV
[11:56] <SpeedEvil> you're not getting one in thirty grams.
[11:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03cayennelpp1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=cayennelpp1
[11:57] <craag> yeah it's broadband market, not IoT/iridium sbd market.
[11:57] <LazyLeopard> the trouble with Starlink is that there will be others who think that they can do it too. Within a few years there could be many thousands of satellites in that sort of orbit...
[11:57] <SpeedEvil> Weeel.
[11:57] <LazyLeopard> Already China is working on an equivalent system.
[11:58] <SpeedEvil> First mover has a major benefit.
[11:58] <craag> There's a large number of UHF-uplink IoT efforts (some LoRa-based) that'd be more suited to HAB use.
[11:58] <SpeedEvil> And an order of magnitude cheaper sats and sat launches (if not more) helps a lot
[11:59] <chris_99> craag: cool, what ones might use LoRa out of interest?
[12:02] <LazyLeopard> Seems to me the big problem will be cleaning up the junk afterwards. I wonder how long it'll be before there's an accidental collision.
[12:02] <SM0ULC-David> chris_99: one of them, https://www.telecomtv.com/content/iot-services-and-apps/ambitious-lora-based-satellite-network-is-on-the-launching-pad-37067/
[12:03] <chris_99> cheers!
[12:03] <craag> ^^ they're one of them, other startups in the area include Astrocast. The big players in the Geo sat world are also trialing things..
[12:04] <daveake> Imagine the insurance claim "Our satellite was on its usual route when, out of the blue, a maniac in a bright red turbocharged satellite drove right into the side causing extensive damage"
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> In principle, starlink class sats (with the comms payload removed and a bigger tank of krypton) make really, really good catcher-sats.
[12:04] <SM0ULC-David> looks a bit tight with the fq-space for lora since it's locked?
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> they're big enough to deorbit even the bulk of old second rocket stages.
[12:05] <craag> They'll use different frequencies SM0ULC-David
[12:05] <chris_99> i wonder how much it'll cost to communicate with those lora based sats
[12:05] <SM0ULC-David> craag: ok, so it's lora modulation but other fqs
[12:06] <craag> yeah the business model bit is where they're struggling..
[12:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W8MV-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W8MV-11
[12:49] <bertrik> I know about the lacuna sat, and to communicate with it, you have to time it correctly, because it only sees you for part of its orbit
[12:50] <Viproz> SpeedEvil, given the low performance of their electrical propulsion system I doubt they can perform orvita rendez vous with an object as elliptic as a 2nd stage left in space
[13:01] <SM0ULC-David> bertrik: how many sats do they plan for?
[13:02] <SM0ULC-David> ahh, one, the 3 more planned
[13:03] <SM0ULC-David> then maybe 10-15 mins x 2-3 times x 2 times per day
[13:06] <SM0ULC-David> or, if you are santa you will get pretty good access :D
[13:06] <chris_99> heh
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[13:34] <SpeedEvil> Viproz: 'low performance' per day, yes. Add 1/2 the mass of the stage as krypton, and you get a delta-v of around 20km/s, or 12km/s or so in more-or-less constant thrust LEO trajectories.
[13:36] <SpeedEvil> It does take much of a year to do that.
[13:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SA6BSS-7 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SA6BSS-7
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[13:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SOLAR-WL after 0313 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SOLAR-WL
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[15:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OBB_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OBB_chase
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[15:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NASD01 after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NASD01
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[16:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KN4IUD-15 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KN4IUD-15
[17:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 0310gsn006_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=10gsn006_chase
[17:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 0310gsn005_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=10gsn005_chase
[17:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 0319gsn005_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=19gsn005_chase
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[18:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-74 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-74
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[20:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U4B-6 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U4B-6
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[20:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Kornwestheim_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Kornwestheim_chase
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[20:56] <RocketBoy> Hi Mark - all going OK out there ?
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[21:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Vk2mbd-1_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Vk2mbd-1_chase
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[23:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KM6BWB-8 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM6BWB-8
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[23:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS25 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS25
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