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[00:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Eamon_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Eamon_chase
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[06:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB
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[09:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
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[10:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ2SA-3_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ2SA-3_chase
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[14:01] <daveake> Anyone recognise this kit found in Arizona desert? https://twitter.com/StrangeBeacons/status/1206607154234433536
[14:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03JOALTL after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JOALTL
[14:06] <SM0ULC-David> https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikeforums.net-vbulletin/2000x1504/img_7112_edited__4acf00a8659f59cccb2b3d25423d24f20a07ecd8.jpg
[14:06] <SM0ULC-David> high res
[14:07] <fsphil> is that a txco?
[14:08] <SM0ULC-David> 5 ghz helix tx antenna?
[14:11] <daveake> Is that an SDR half hidden under the light coloured square bottom-left ?
[14:12] <SM0ULC-David> the webpage, https://www.bikeforums.net/foo/1190006-found-az-desert.html
[14:13] <SM0ULC-David> daveake: you mean this? https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikeforums.net-vbulletin/2000x1333/img_6534_1_3d6c4e811a37baff6ca5b7bb118cd75ea3d605c8.jpg
[14:13] <fsphil> heavy duty stuff
[14:14] <daveake> This https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/cCIvqhYe/image.png
[14:15] <daveake> Looks like an SDR with SMA top-left
[14:15] <fsphil> 1700-2700 MHz 5 Watt Linear Power Amplifiers, SM1727-37H
[14:15] <fsphil> loadsa power
[14:16] <daveake> If it was a HAB ....
[14:16] <daveake> .... how did that metal get bent like that?
[14:16] <fsphil> this would've killed someone if it had hit them
[14:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TORY_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TORY_chase
[14:17] <russss> Google Loon?
[14:18] <russss> looks like an OCXO at the bottom there
[14:20] <russss> odd looking though
[14:21] <fsphil> a fair bit of work's gone into it
[14:55] <PE2BZ> https://www.brltest.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=474
[14:56] <PE2BZ> -37 with 20 dB of linear gain 2.1 - 2.7 GHz
[15:06] <PE2BZ> The K&L which looks like an SDR appears to be a multiplexer / filter sort of.
[15:06] <PE2BZ> https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikeforums.net-vbulletin/2000x1504/img_7118_241e2545536e2cf2cb16e5ec9149604cd3c07e5f.jpg
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[15:14] <PE2BZ> buzz53, Your simulator works ?
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[15:57] <buzz53> PE2BZ not tried the LimeSDR yet, the JOALTL "flight" at the moment is just a software sim run in the PITS for a flight tomorrow
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[15:58] <buzz53> But I did read the "issues" in the gps sdr sim github and there do seem to be a lot of people wit problems. Should have read that first I suppose.
[15:58] <buzz53> Anyway something new to keep me amused over Xmas
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[16:11] <PE2BZ> buzz53, Flight over the Northsea ?
[16:13] <buzz53> Yes, one way trip again. Will probably underfill to prolong it a bit so might be in range for you, if not too far north.
[16:14] <PE2BZ> What´s the expected wind speed tomorrow ? My sunday flight touched 220 km/h
[16:14] <PE2BZ> And could you share the flight parameters in advance :-)
[16:19] <buzz53> Not windy tomorrow, and clear sky in the morning anyway. Normal burst would be not far offshore Lowestoft but we'll try for longer.
[16:20] <buzz53> Our usual, LoRa mode 4 869.8MHz
[16:23] Action: PE2BZ now remembers why he built an Maduino 869 MHz LoRa receiver.
[16:27] <buzz53> Does that do SSDV?
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[17:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SQ9GOL/AM after 0311 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ9GOL%2FAM
[18:12] <PE2BZ> buzz53, it does upload SSDV packets
[18:13] <PE2BZ> And my china VNA finds the X-5000 being resonant at 860 Mhz so I might use a switch between the logper and the x-5000 to see what happens
[18:13] <PE2BZ> what´s the UTC launch time expectation ?
[18:19] <ferdzo> hello
[18:19] <PE2BZ> Hi
[18:20] <ferdzo> PE2BZ: hi
[18:20] <ferdzo> Guys what antennas do you prefer for the telemetry system?
[18:22] <PE2BZ> That leaves a lot open ;-) RX, TX, which frequency, for balloon use, or rocket ?
[18:22] <ferdzo> tx for ballon
[18:22] <ferdzo> I would like to use aprs
[18:22] <ferdzo> but other options are available
[18:22] <ferdzo> aprs on 2m band
[18:22] <PE2BZ> APRS in VHF band ?
[18:22] <PE2BZ> ;-)
[18:22] <ferdzo> yes
[18:24] <PE2BZ> 1/4 wave groundplane or one 1/4 wave radiator vertical and one to four reflectors , what power do you run
[18:24] <ferdzo> i modeled couple of antennas
[18:24] <ferdzo> and i think ground plane would be the best
[18:25] <ferdzo> but i don't if 45 degree angle or 90
[18:25] <ferdzo> PE2BZ: probalby 1-5W
[18:25] <PE2BZ> I did fly APRS on 70 cm with 1/4 wave wire and with 1/4 wave groundplane, same 10 dBm power and the groundplane outperformed the single wire by 40 km reception range.
[18:25] <PE2BZ> 1 - 5 Watt for a balloon tracker ?
[18:26] <PE2BZ> Did you fly anything before on a balloon ?
[18:26] <ferdzo> dra818
[18:26] <ferdzo> PE2BZ: sorry I didn't quite catch that
[18:26] <PE2BZ> Do you know 1 - 5 Watt on a high altitude balloon is very much to much ?
[18:26] <ferdzo> yeah
[18:27] <ferdzo> it's open space
[18:27] <ferdzo> but that's what the module gives
[18:27] <ferdzo> so i'll need to add attenuator
[18:28] <PE2BZ> No, you have to reduce the output power. As fas as I know it has power output linear to voltage or something. I have one on my desk which gives 200 mW but I would have to check how that was done. 5 watt power from battery and reduce that with atenuator is a waste of energy.
[18:29] <ferdzo> yeah
[18:30] <ferdzo> Do you think other band will be better for tracking? But my country is mostly mountainous and I think 2m is the sweetspot
[18:36] <PE2BZ> My favorit would be 2m aprs, for maximum coverage in number of receivers. We did 70 cm aprs (modified radiosonde which can transmit that on 70 cm band) but over here in the Netherlands there is very little coverage and it stops in the center of Germany.
[18:36] <PE2BZ> Do you intend a flight ¨up, burst, down¨ or a float and could you definey your country ?
[18:39] <ferdzo> PE2BZ: I'm from Macedonia which is mostly mountainous
[18:41] <buzz53> PE2BZ: I'd like to think about 12:00 but knowing us it could be later. Unlikely to be earlier anyway!
[18:44] <PE2BZ> buzz53, tnx info. 2 receivers set up. one Pits board with 869 MHz module and one arduino tracker with 869 MHz module. Pits with X-5000 and arduino with logper.
[18:45] <PE2BZ> ferdzo, I know the Capital of Macedonia but had to look up the place on Google Maps where it is ;-)
[18:45] <buzz53> PE2BZ: great, hope we get in range
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[18:47] <PE2BZ> ferdzo, Very few APRS receivers over there ?
[18:48] <PE2BZ> https://imgur.com/EMyyUeG
[18:51] <ferdzo> PE2BZ: none i think :P
[18:52] <ferdzo> I have one at home but it's not on the internet
[18:53] <ferdzo> one at my club and that's all
[18:53] <ferdzo> also one in the capital
[18:53] <PE2BZ> So can I assume there is no High Altitude Ballooning community either ?
[18:53] <ferdzo> no
[18:53] <ferdzo> we are the first trying this
[18:53] <ferdzo> couple of high school and college guys
[18:57] <PE2BZ> How many radio amateurs over there ?
[18:57] <ferdzo> 500 licensed
[18:57] <ferdzo> 50 active
[18:57] <ferdzo> mostly old guys
[18:58] <PE2BZ> SO, no new tricks for old dogs ?
[18:59] <PE2BZ> But you do not intend to ¨fly around the world¨ ?
[18:59] <ferdzo> no
[18:59] <ferdzo> small one
[19:00] <ferdzo> probably it's still gonna land in greece
[19:00] <PE2BZ> Then I should go for an RTTY tracker
[19:01] <ferdzo> why rtty instead of aprs?
[19:03] <PE2BZ> narrow band, easy to receive
[19:04] <ferdzo> rtty over fm?
[19:05] <PE2BZ> No, SSB on 434 MHz ?
[19:05] <PE2BZ> FT-817, audio out to DL-FLDigi
[19:06] <ferdzo> sadly we only have one not so portable receiver for 70cm
[19:06] <ferdzo> and we already have dra818 modules
[19:06] <ferdzo> both v and u but they are fm
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[19:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TORY_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TORY_chase
[19:15] <PE2BZ> Then 1 Watt and APRS on 2 m is the best choice ;-)
[19:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03REGAN_Chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=REGAN_Chase
[19:30] <SM0ULC-David> ferdzo: rtl-dongles are great for receving end. just need a rtl for $5 and a orange-pi for $7
[19:34] <SM0ULC-David> ferdzo: when you have LOS to receivers you can expect pretty good range. like 200-300 km at least
[19:36] <ferdzo> Yes, I have couple of rtlsdr and rpis, forgot about them. But still I need to find another module for rtty.
[19:37] <PE2BZ> ferdzo I can offer you a re-programmed RS41 sonde with RTTY in SSB on 70 cm frequency. and APRS in FM on 70 cm frequency for only cost of shipping.
[19:37] <PE2BZ> Complete with batteries ;-)
[19:38] <PE2BZ> That way, with rtl device and dl-fldigi you can put receivers on the map and have a nice portable RX for recovery experiments
[19:38] <ferdzo> PE2BZ, most likely, what about the antenna mounting tho? GP with 45 degree radials is going to be harder mount
[19:39] <ferdzo> PE2BZ, so that's a complete radiosonde?
[19:39] <PE2BZ> I used that, upside down. director down and radials 135 degrees up
[19:40] <ferdzo> Interesting, what about flat radials 90 degrees?
[19:40] <PE2BZ> and yes, complete, in case, 90 gram total weight. Recovered radiosonde from Dutch or German meteorological institute, I received about 20 of them from a dutch radio amateur for educational purpose, like school flights.
[19:41] <PE2BZ> I know someone who would say ¨use an antenna analyzer and check¨ but I just bend, cut and fly ;-)
[19:41] <SM0ULC-David> ferdzo: if you just do an up/down flight with some stuff onboard a backup tracker is wise choice :)
[19:41] <PE2BZ> But the radiosonde comes with steel wire antenna, can transmit 20 hours with 20 mW or 8 hours with 50 mW
[19:42] <PE2BZ> ferdzo, I am afk for the night, you can send me an email at pe2bz at pe2bz dot nl
[19:43] <PE2BZ> SM0ULC-David, in a house crowded with SDR receivers how could I forget to mention that ;-)
[19:43] <ferdzo> Will contact you, either I or my friend. Thank you very much.
[19:43] <PE2BZ> Your welcome!
[19:45] <ferdzo> A silly question. Will two transmitters have any problems, let's say one on 70cm and one on 2m considered their low power?
[19:46] <SM0ULC-David> PE2BZ: the rtl:s are so default you don't remember :) a colleague bought a v3 to play... now bought four more.. and he's no ham
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[20:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PH1M-RTTY - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PH1M-RTTY
[20:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PH1M-4FSK - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PH1M-4FSK
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