highaltitude.log.20190820

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[01:26] <TimMc_> morning :)
[01:28] <TimMc_> Looking forward to the launch this Sun? :D
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[04:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DK3SB-13 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK3SB-13
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[06:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03GLAUB40 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GLAUB40
[06:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Helen_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Helen_chase
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[07:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ThanosR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ThanosR
[07:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ThanosL - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ThanosL
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[07:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BakTrak1 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BakTrak1
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[09:16] <nmcc> Hmmm, we did aim for 4m/s and we very slightly overfilled with the extra toot
[09:17] <nmcc> Hopefully it will dry out nicely and pick up a bit of speed
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[09:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Nick1_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Nick1_chase
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[09:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SKY-BEAR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SKY-BEAR
[09:30] <daveake> nmcc That's some battery you've got on baktrak1 :). I'd have thought that would keep the tracker nice and toasty but it seems not!
[09:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SPACEPOST - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SPACEPOST
[09:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SKY-AERO - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SKY-AERO
[09:34] <fsphil> or it's a hell of an extension lead
[09:34] <daveake> :)
[09:35] Action: fsphil waits for news of another large power cut
[09:36] <Pit[m]> R0350083 floater. Sadly battery will die in about one hour.
[09:37] <Pit[m]> SQ6KXY Radiosonde Tracker Database
[09:37] <Pit[m]> https://radiosondy.info/sonde.php?sondenumber=R0350083
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[09:43] <nmcc> daveake: work in progress. V2 is cuter & smaller, v3 will send sensible figures
[09:44] <nmcc> My PITS temps are muddled, so no, its not that warm outside
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[10:00] <daveake> Extension cord slowing it down? :)
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[10:04] <fsphil> now I'm wondering if anyone's flown an inverter on a hab
[10:05] <nmcc> I think the 12V leisure battery will probably need a bigger balloon
[10:06] <nmcc> Driver needed to sit down somewhere stationary to drink her coffee - back on the road again
[10:06] <daveake> Might need a pilot later
[10:07] <daveake> with boat
[10:07] <nmcc> Yeah, might do
[10:08] <daveake> I wonder what the daftest tracker is
[10:08] Action: daveake considers GPS smartwatch + lora bluetooth tracker
[10:09] <nmcc> Float was good, the H2 gauge was inline with expectations. But it was drizzling so I guess we've lost some performance on the initial climb
[10:09] <nmcc> Homing pigeon in a spacesuit
[10:09] <daveake> heh
[10:11] <nmcc> Oscillating between 1.8 and 2.3m/s - with 15m/s horizontal, I'm wondering if the latex is turned in to a wing and doing more sideways than up
[10:11] <nmcc> A reverse aerofoil
[10:12] <nmcc> For gliding height gains, we used to smoke a barograph - put soot on the drum and then take it for the flight
[10:12] <daveake> Well it pretty much stays with the air horizontally
[10:12] <daveake> Vertically there's GPS altitude noise to consider
[10:15] <nmcc> If it is under filled, there is an easterly component at the top that may being it back - running a prediction just now I'm back on green
[10:15] <nmcc> But it is going to be tight with the Humber as well.
[10:17] <fsphil> if it floats a bit, it'll come back inland
[10:18] <nmcc> Some gliding meets we do spot landing competition - I think this may count. Original prediction was for south of Doncaster and I've the screen shots to prove it.
[10:20] <fsphil> nobody wants to land in doncaster
[10:22] <daveake> What's the expected burst alt with this ascent rate ?
[10:23] <nmcc> 33569
[10:24] <daveake> fsphil set that please ^ :)
[10:24] <nmcc> Cooo
[10:24] <daveake> 10p says you'll be fine
[10:24] <nmcc> What - eeee - vveeerrrr
[10:24] <fsphil> which callsign(s)?
[10:24] <daveake> ThanosL/R
[10:24] <nmcc> ThanosL
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[10:27] <nmcc> Re-run a prediction - I think I need to pray for strong Chinese latex
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[10:27] <fsphil> South Killingholme
[10:27] <daveake> It can be expensively variable :/
[10:28] <fsphil> there must be a story behind that name
[10:28] <fsphil> gonna be close
[10:30] <daveake> The name Killingholme is a combination of two Old English words and an Old Scandinavian ending, Ceolwulf+inga+holme meaning "island homestead of Ceolwulf". In the Domesday Book of 1086, the name appears as Chelvingeholm.
[10:30] <Bozzey> If it is Killingholme, will save you 1.50p on the toll bridge
[10:32] <fsphil> the bouncy ascent rate is making this quite difficult
[10:33] <daveake> yes
[10:33] <nmcc> Yup
[10:35] <nmcc> So, for Christmas, is it a PreAmp, a better RTTY radio for the car, an in-car dashboard or a remote-cutdown?
[10:35] <nmcc> Remote cutdown with AI so it looks to see if it's going to get wet and automatically terminates
[10:36] <daveake> remote cutdown with uplink
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[10:37] <nmcc> Original prediction was south on Scunthorpe, not Doncaster as originally said by me previously
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[10:38] <nmcc> Does the remote cutdown need a Yagi pointing the in vague direction - as I've not got a rotator on my list yet
[10:39] <daveake> Probably not but it'll depend on distance. A small Yagi in the car is a good idea anyway. Rotator seems an excess expense.
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[10:40] <nmcc> I also need a GSM connection to home to reboot the router when it won't let me access the base station
[10:40] <nmcc> Rotator on the car - you mean you don't have one?
[10:40] <daveake> The car already rotates
[10:40] <nmcc> How many elements is small?
[10:41] <daveake> Small = fits in the car easily
[10:42] <nmcc> Hole in sunroof with pole with handles for rotation - check
[10:42] <nmcc> Or stick small person out sunroof and get them to point it for me
[10:42] <nmcc> Is there a pointy app so you can point in the right angle & direction?
[10:42] <daveake> Yeah I don't have those
[10:43] <daveake> Yes my app is suitable pointy
[10:43] <daveake> Doesn;t (yet) have an uplink function
[10:43] <michal_f> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCW-2_qPlQw this could be a nice yagi aiming system for a car
[10:44] <nmcc> Is there a trick to get chase car mode to stay on?
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[10:44] <daveake> You only need the uplink to work once; stop the car, get out, aim and wave aerial, hit an uplink button that re-sends for a while
[10:45] <daveake> Looks like you won't need to pay the bridge toll
[10:45] <daveake> This might come down to the size of the chute
[10:46] <nmcc> I know, I'm just trying to keep myself distracted. At least I'm averaging 50% good flights now
[10:46] <nmcc> 5.42m/s down - 24"
[10:46] <SIbot> In real units: 24 in = 0.6 m
[10:47] <nmcc> Perhaps a small steerable dish on the bottom of the payload ...
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[10:50] <daveake> Good luck getting that aimed!
[10:51] <nmcc> Some sort of tabs to act as baffles to slow the rotation of the payload
[10:53] <RocketBoy> Any clues why the ascent rate is low? it was filled for 4m/s right?
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[10:55] <RocketBoy> having said that its picked up recently
[10:57] <nmcc> Yup, no breeze, nice float, calculations checked, gauge tallied
[10:59] <nmcc> But wet on launch and went straight through cloud - which would add significant amount to the weight
[10:59] <PE2BZ> NIce LoRa signal over her Nick !
[10:59] <nmcc> If I fly my glider through a rain shower, the performance change is noticeable
[10:59] <PE2BZ> What´s the TX antenna ?
[10:59] <nmcc> Pigtail with precision measurement
[11:00] <nmcc> PE2BZ: Ben, how are your filters?
[11:00] <PE2BZ> 881 image, 222 telemetry on Thanos, 2 telem packets on Baktrak
[11:00] <nmcc> BakTrak1 is being picked up occasionally on 434.666 so that would be the challenging one
[11:01] <PE2BZ> My SAW at 434.250 worked quite OK, improved LoRa by a big deal, followed by a preamp. But a bit to narrow, 20 dB loss at 432.710 where I like to fly myself also.
[11:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> good webssdr if anyone want to trak to the ground, realy close to the predicted landing site http://radiogeek.co.uk/
[11:02] <PE2BZ> So, now running with an aliexpress filter, 433 centered, which also works very good as I notice in the LoRa reception.
[11:02] <PE2BZ> Looking up the link, one moment.
[11:03] <nmcc> Pit stop to rendezvous with the XYL to wait for a more definitive area to head for
[11:03] <PE2BZ> I would meet her at the harbour....
[11:04] <fsphil> nice atmospheric layer in the pics
[11:04] <fsphil> don't think I've seen it like that before
[11:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SKY-BULL - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SKY-BULL
[11:06] <RocketBoy> or it could do a float
[11:06] <PE2BZ> nmcc, does this link (out of my order list) work ? https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/32984046436.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.78604c4dbyy6i1
[11:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DK9JS_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK9JS_chase
[11:14] <nmcc> The link works but I'll need to buy an English one so it understands the rest of my kit
[11:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SITS-0 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITS-0
[11:17] <PE2BZ> ¨an english one¨ ?
[11:17] <nmcc> Hmm, and yet the car chase has gone to sleep
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[11:18] <nmcc> Yeah, no point putting a Dutch speaking filter in to an English rig
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[11:19] <PE2BZ> They do sell an internation model too ;-) https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32984046436.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.78604c4dbyy6i1
[11:22] <nmcc> Cool - as long as it arrives before the 31st Oct otherwise it will get stuck in customs
[11:22] <PE2BZ> took only 8 days to the Netherlands.
[11:30] <nmcc> I average 2 parcels a day from Ali - as well as security electronics, we do micro:bit accessories
[11:30] <nmcc> The air mass temp profile is interesting - min recorded temp so far is -18 whereas I'd expect it to be in the -40's
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[11:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03S52O-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S52O-9_chase
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[11:54] <Phil_M0DNY> Recording true air temp up there is hard due to the low air density.
[11:54] <Phil_M0DNY> *Measuring
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[11:58] <daveake> Is a landing in Immingham imminent ?
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[12:01] <RocketBoy> tracker always predicts long
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[12:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TORERO_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TORERO_chase
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[12:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SKY-TRON - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SKY-TRON
[12:23] <Bozzey> Should be clear of Immingham and the Humber now
[12:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SGTDK - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SGTDK
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[13:08] <fsphil> was about to say, not a bad landing spot. then I noticed the huge pylon
[13:09] <fsphil> looks like it missed
[13:13] <nmcc> Only just!
[13:13] <nmcc> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/sxyWV7PH/IMG_4469.JPG
[13:14] <nmcc> And there was the train line ...
[13:15] <nmcc> But mission accomplished thanks to everyone for listening in
[13:15] <fsphil> congrats on the recovery!
[13:15] <nmcc> It's getting to be a habit!
[13:16] <nmcc> This was the second of Ozone science flight for the chap on the right
[13:16] <nmcc> I may well fly some more sophisticated sensors as I still have three launches before the 31st on my permission
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[13:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> looks like RS_R2350622 has a underfill
[13:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> just 4m/s
[14:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KB0MC-8 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB0MC-8
[14:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sky-tron in, good ant/tx on the payload
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[14:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sky-tron burst
[14:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KA6TVU-11 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KA6TVU-11
[15:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03STELLA23 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STELLA23
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[15:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB8PVR-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB8PVR-3
[15:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PC4L_0719 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PC4L_0719
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[16:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YO3ICT - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YO3ICT
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[16:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BZ-1a - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BZ-1a
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[18:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VA3CGC-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VA3CGC-11
[18:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> that german military site really been busy launching today, 7 DFM so far
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[19:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ICT3 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ICT3
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