highaltitude.log.20190805

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[09:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[09:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03TA2MUN-12 after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TA2MUN-12
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[10:44] <dbrooke> For anyone who'd still like to catch up I've updated the raw log snapshot at https://www.dbrooke.me.uk/woo2Eih7 and it now covers all of zeusbot's little holiday
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[10:50] <Ian_> Many thanks dbrooke. it's appreciated
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[12:31] <chris_99> http://www.airvectors.net/avbloon.html
[12:31] <chris_99> looks a pretty cool site
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[12:52] <m6mux> Daveake: interesting you didn't see it come down. Were you looking into the sun? I saw it from about 5k feet down to the ground. The latex was bright white in the sun.
[12:55] <daveake> I have bigger spots inside my eyes
[12:57] <daveake> And yes sun was to our right and not helping
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[12:58] <fsphil> I lose track of them pretty quickly after launch too. they're hard to spot
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[13:05] <daveake> This one was easy to see after launch :)
[13:06] <m6mux> My DSLR had a flat battery :/ pointed it at the balloon and nothing happened.
[13:06] <daveake> Mine was in manual focus mode ...
[13:06] <m6mux> :) did you get any images off the SD card?
[13:06] <daveake> ... took a moment to realise why it wouldn't focus on anything
[13:06] <daveake> Yes loads
[13:07] <daveake> You mean the flight ?
[13:07] <m6mux> moment of burst image?
[13:07] <daveake> Steve and I both had Pi cameras
[13:07] <daveake> We didn't have anything looking upwards
[13:07] <m6mux> I was wondering about what the diameter would be at the moment of burst
[13:07] <daveake> Done that before. Needs a video as it's so quick
[13:07] <fsphil> not big enough
[13:08] <daveake> Oh from the ground? Need a telescope. It's been done
[13:08] <m6mux> There was a video somewhere the other day, twitter I think. Video of burst through a telescope.
[13:08] <daveake> From a payload http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Burst-1.jpg
[13:09] <m6mux> https://twitter.com/LateNightAstro/status/1154196049642369024
[13:09] <daveake> Yeah saw that one
[13:15] <hyde00001> Hats off to Adam for sorting zeusbot. Thank you!
[13:22] <MedadR> Lovely day for a pico balloon launch here in London. We will launch in I think 2 hours. One tracker is working but one is giving problems. Yet to fill balloons.
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[13:45] <PE2BZ> MedadR, any chance you can start one hour earlier ? Those pico´s need some time to get altitude ;-)
[13:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ICSPACE12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ICSPACE12
[13:52] <m6mux> Why is it that there is always a tracker problem? It seems to be a recurring issue in HAB...
[13:54] <Phil_M0DNY> There's a lot of things that have to work right - gps signal, received 434 signal, lack of local interference... and that's only the ones you can't control ;)
[13:55] <Phil_M0DNY> forgot news crews and media people, their proximity seems to scare trackers.
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[14:03] <PE2BZ> Battery connections, using metal tape on the outside of the box which keeps antenna signals away and so on...
[14:06] <Phil_M0DNY> Those are things that you can test and mitigate, but even those often get rushed in the name of deadlines.
[14:06] <Phil_M0DNY> It happens to us all :)
[14:08] <Phil_M0DNY> And imperial have built their own trackers, they won't learn anything if they don't have some issues every now and then ;)
[14:09] <PE2BZ> Breaking the solar panels on your payload with your sunglasses. decide to fly the payload with a CR123 instead releasing the payload and see the balloon go up and the payload go down because the battery connector you used for the wire to the balloon could not carry the weight of the battery....
[14:09] <SIbot> In real units: 123 in = 3.1 m
[14:09] <PE2BZ> As Phil said, it happens to us all...
[14:10] <PE2BZ> Some fly a balloon for the first time and do not calculate the weight of chute and ropes, making the payload to crawl up wit 0.6 m/s and reach float state (wit 70 gram payload) and get the longest flight to Poland...
[14:11] <PE2BZ> Which even got back from a holiday beach house in Letvia
[14:11] <PE2BZ> But 90 % succeeded :-)
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[14:57] <daveake> So ... PTE in the garden, no case, no lock
[14:57] <daveake> PTE on my desk, gets a lock
[14:58] <daveake> Maybe my cheapo GPS repeater is better than I thought :p
[15:06] <PE2BZ> But PTE in Elsworth, no lock. So that could not be caused by your repeater....
[15:06] <daveake> No, I mean, my repeater probably gives it a better signal than being in free air
[15:07] <daveake> Just tried moving the chip antenna away from the pi and that seems to help
[15:07] <PE2BZ> Ahh... I had an oscillating repeater once blocking my GPS signals with the tracker outside the window. RX and TX to close to eacht other.
[15:08] <daveake> Sure, no not that here
[15:09] <daveake> I'll put longer wires between Pi and GPS that should sort it
[15:09] <Phil_M0DNY> Yep I've had proximity issues with the Pi and GPS before :)
[15:10] <Phil_M0DNY> without a camera on it
[15:17] <daveake> Camera not close on this one
[15:17] <daveake> I did have a GPS drop out on one when the camera was doing video
[15:17] <daveake> That was quite a long camera cabke
[15:17] <daveake> The chip antenna is a bit marginal anyway
[15:19] <Phil_M0DNY> yeah I remember that one - hence why I mentioned
[15:19] <Phil_M0DNY> chip antenna is just a bit too broadband I think
[15:21] <Phil_M0DNY> but even the best antenna will get somewhat affected by a load of fast square wave clocks in close proximity
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[15:22] <Phil_M0DNY> I tried an arm mbed board once, that was terrible.
[15:22] <Phil_M0DNY> A sarantel board needed 20cm separation.
[15:23] <daveake> eek!
[15:23] <daveake> ISTR someone trying a beagleboard and having similar results
[15:23] <daveake> sarantel normally works just about anywhere
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[15:31] <daveake> So, modded tracker ... gets lock within 1 minute of boot
[15:33] <Phil_M0DNY> :)
[15:35] <Phil_M0DNY> if you want quicker.. https://github.com/philcrump/lora-tracker/blob/master/firmware-tracker-phil/gnss_aid/update_gnss_aid
[15:35] <daveake> ta :)
[15:37] <Phil_M0DNY> although I haven't flown the full ephemerides from that, not enough flash in the susf stm32f0
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[15:38] <Phil_M0DNY> also validity period means you *have* to flash them on just before launch. almanac and other data is fine for ~2 wks it seems.
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[15:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PTE after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PTE
[15:48] <PE2BZ> Now we believe it has GPS lock ;-)
[15:48] <daveake> :)
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[15:51] <daveake> I might put it in the neck of a 100g and fly it soon
[15:52] <m6mux> Some huge ssdv images coming in
[15:53] <fsphil> did PTE just send some queued images from the flight?
[15:54] <daveake> No, it was outside looking up
[15:54] <m6mux> Lovely images from VK5QI
[15:55] <fsphil> those are just someone testing
[15:55] <fsphil> not sure if PC4L is one of Darkside's stations
[15:59] <fsphil> callsign from the netherlands, so not likely :)
[16:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ICT3 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ICT3
[16:00] <YO3ICT> Yay!
[16:01] <fsphil> oh nice
[16:01] <fsphil> that's a good altitude to float at
[16:02] <YO3ICT> (y)
[16:02] <YO3ICT> Magic gas doing its magic.
[16:03] <fsphil> quite a detour it took back out over the pacific
[16:03] <YO3ICT> Yes, otherwise it would have started to cross the Atlantic by now, I guess.
[16:04] <fsphil> how is the telemetry sent? HF?
[16:04] <YO3ICT> Yes
[16:06] <YO3ICT> Although ignore the battery voltage. Its broken.
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[16:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ICSPACE13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ICSPACE13
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[16:29] <MedadR> ICSPACE12 launch. ICSPACE13 will be launched in a minute
[16:29] <MedadR> ICSPACE12 launched
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[16:55] <PE2BZ> !dial icspace12
[16:55] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03ICSPACE12 10(3473): 03434.56788 MHz, 434.567 MHz, 434.6 MHz
[16:57] <Ron_G8FJG> dial 434.567880 for ic9700 gps owners
[16:58] <PE2BZ> Now disconnect the GPS and give me the real frequency ;-)
[16:58] <Ron_G8FJG> same :-)
[17:00] <Ron_G8FJG> Ben , just realised 12 is on flex 5k...13 on 9700 434.598.00
[17:03] <PE2BZ> I have to be a bit patient....
[17:03] <Ron_G8FJG> now "looking" after grandson in garden , bucket on his head, I've not been paying too much attention..naughty grand dad
[17:05] <PE2BZ> Grab yourself another bucket :-)
[17:05] <Ron_G8FJG> ICSRACE 13 just went hypersonic vertically..but now returned
[17:06] <Ron_G8FJG> ICSPACE13 DOH.. old tiping skills
[17:07] <PE2BZ> ISS Race
[17:07] <Ron_G8FJG> dont start
[17:08] <PE2BZ> don´t stop till you get enough....
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[17:46] <SA6BSS-Mike> cant access http://habhub.org/ or tracker.habhub.org
[17:46] <SA6BSS-Mike> getting this https://i.imgur.com/rjD1192.png
[17:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> try https that works
[17:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> not here
[17:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> https://tracker.habhub.org/ works here
[17:54] <SA6BSS-Mike> getting certificate error
[17:55] <SA6BSS-Mike> same in IE
[17:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hmm ok
[17:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> works in chrome here
[17:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> http://habhub.org/ also works in chrome
[17:55] <SA6BSS-Mike> no go in chrome
[17:56] <daveake> both links fine here in chrome
[17:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> call SAPO and ask why :-)
[17:57] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, you have the Nr :)
[17:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> +46-10-568 70 00
[17:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LOL
[17:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> :)
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[18:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TA2MUN-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TA2MUN-11
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[19:24] <MedadR> Thanks to all those who are tracking ICSPACE12 and 13. Now after many launches we think that we have figured it out. We send out these slow pips when the GPS does not have a fix, all while it is searching for a fix. This pip is probably overwhelming the GPS RF front end, making it much more difficult for it to get a fix. The Pips are part of the problem.
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[19:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi MedadR, hope to get a signal here, did 13 stop transmitting or gps problem?
[19:53] <MedadR> I think GPS problem,
[19:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> R
[20:01] <daveake> James May Toy Stories, starring Steve, starting now on BBC4
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[20:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> cool a actionman launch :-)
[20:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hehe may doing rtty
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[20:19] <daveake> I remember rtty :)
[20:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> didnt may do another show about hab earlyer?
[20:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lol thats a dead actionman
[20:21] <daveake> Yes, the bird Vs cat one
[20:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah yes thats right
[20:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> seems to me all the meeting point are pubs :-)
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[20:31] <daveake> Quite right too :)
[20:33] <MedadR> Is the BBC4 program it quite old?
[20:35] <MedadR> -it
[20:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh no sms tracker
[20:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> MedadR 2014 it seems
[20:40] <nmcc> https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ukhas.org.uk says ukhas isn't around ...
[20:44] <Phil_M0DNY> Hmm looks like the DNS has dropped off
[20:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OAQ-PIS after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OAQ-PIS
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[21:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> daveake good show, thanks for the heads up
[21:01] <daveake> np :). Quite a good one that :)
[21:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> could someone activate hysplit for icspace12/13 ?
[21:07] <MedadR> Anyone knows websdrs that listen in at ~434Mhz in Germany, Netherlands?
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[21:15] <MedadR> OZ1SKY_Brian: Which part of Denmark are you in?
[21:15] <MedadR> South?
[21:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> just north of aarhus, so might not get into range
[21:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF5PGW-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5PGW-12
[22:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no joy its going too southern, off to bed, gn
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[22:17] <MedadR> ICSPACE12 and 13 now entering Germany. Longest distance flight yet for us. Massive thank you to all the Dutch listeners who listened in over the Netherlands
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[23:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K4CMS-1 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K4CMS-1
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