highaltitude.log.20190726

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[02:11] <TimMc_> 7 rs41 launched in MEL this morning :O
[02:11] <TimMc_> BOM are busy
[03:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS22 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS22
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[03:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ICT3 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ICT3
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[07:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YM2KV-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YM2KV-11
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[08:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0RPI_Chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0RPI_Chase
[08:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SANTAFE_Chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SANTAFE_Chase
[09:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03STELLA22 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STELLA22
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[09:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP3PJA-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP3PJA-11
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[10:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03APOLLO_50_EX - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=APOLLO_50_EX
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[10:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP3PJA - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP3PJA
[10:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OnFoot_Chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OnFoot_Chase
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[11:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LCARS_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LCARS_chase
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[12:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD0HIP-7 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0HIP-7
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[12:28] <Darkside> apologies for the SSDV spam...
[12:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VINCENT - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VINCENT
[12:33] <bertrik> oooh nice
[12:33] <Darkside> testing out some new SSDV uploader code
[12:33] <Darkside> canned images..
[12:33] <Darkside> actual flight images are higher res...
[12:33] <bertrik> I was looking at http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[12:35] <daveake> Chase team for the vincent/apollo flight on site @ M4 services
[12:35] <Darkside> daveake: ill stop spamming SSDV :P
[12:35] <Darkside> so you can see whats going on
[12:35] <daveake> heh what are you doing? :)
[12:36] <Darkside> just testing some new queued uploader code
[12:36] <daveake> righto
[12:36] <Darkside> that shoudl hopefully be a bit more robust to internet dropouts
[12:36] <fsphil> how goes it?
[12:36] <daveake> I'm not watching that anyway
[12:36] <Darkside> working on my net connection. need to test it on something flaky
[12:36] <daveake> Drive not tooooo bad for M5/M4 on a Friday
[12:37] <daveake> Launch site is probably about the worst place in the country for easy chases
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[12:38] <fsphil> ooh way down there
[12:39] <daveake> yup
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[12:39] <fsphil> planning to get this one back?
[12:39] <fsphil> it's not looking great
[12:40] <daveake> Was about to say ....
[12:40] <daveake> ... plan is ascent=7.5, burst=22
[12:40] <fsphil> ah ha
[12:40] <Darkside> eek
[12:40] <daveake> So if you could set the burst please :)
[12:40] <fsphil> right on the edge
[12:41] <Darkside> fsphil: can you do it?
[12:41] <Darkside> or should I
[12:41] <daveake> The delayed launch helps a little
[12:42] <fsphil> yeah
[12:42] <fsphil> I can
[12:42] <fsphil> APOLLO_50_EX and VINCENT?
[12:42] <daveake> Yes, please
[12:45] <daveake> Launching now I'm told
[12:45] <daveake> ISH=106 minutes today
[12:45] <fsphil> updated, waiting on the map catching up
[12:45] <daveake> ta
[12:46] <fsphil> how's the lag issue today, anyone know?
[12:46] <daveake> I'm told they filled for 21km, but we have to include the Chinese Factor
[12:46] <fsphil> that compact must be done by now
[12:46] <daveake> dunno
[12:46] <daveake> Well the time on the map seems close
[12:49] <fsphil> updated prediction looks a bit friendlier
[12:50] <fsphil> heading for Pensarnau
[12:50] <fsphil> did someone use a password generator to name places in wales?
[12:51] <daveake> lol
[12:51] <fsphil> oh, the National Wool Museum
[12:51] <daveake> As we live close, we've been there a few times ...
[12:51] <daveake> .... in the sat nav you start typing LLANEL... and there's still 155 options in the list
[12:52] <Darkside> bahaha
[12:52] <PE2BZ> Appears to me there is no lag at the moment.
[12:52] <fsphil> Rhydcymerau
[12:52] <PE2BZ> Yesterday max lag was 9 minutes.
[12:53] <fsphil> I shouldn't make fun, we've some weird names in NI
[12:53] <daveake> Our Ozzy friend might follow that lead :)
[12:54] <fsphil> Woolloomooloo still my fave ozzy place name
[12:54] <bertrik> hm, I was in australia 25 years ago, and I found some of the place names there a bit uninspiring to be honest
[12:55] <Darkside> correct.
[12:55] <bertrik> I think I've seen a bunch of "stony creek"
[12:55] <bertrik> windy point
[12:55] <daveake> "Mount Buggery"
[12:55] <bertrik> anything with "william" in its name
[12:56] <daveake> I clearly didn't need to rush here
[12:57] <Darkside> Danny Bhoy did a good standup segment on australian place names
[12:57] <Darkside> but i cant find it all
[13:00] <daveake> This is worth a watch https://twitter.com/LateNightAstro/status/1154196049642369024
[13:01] <Darkside> hrm images are upside down
[13:01] <Darkside> from both apollo and vincen
[13:01] <daveake> No that's just you :p
[13:01] <Darkside> pff
[13:01] <Darkside> yeah that video is cool
[13:01] <Darkside> i really want to set up a telscope to do that
[13:01] <daveake> Yes
[13:02] <fsphil> don't think the launch times are too friendly for videoing here
[13:02] <fsphil> it's either in broad daylight, or too dark
[13:03] <Darkside> urghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh all this wenet code is so python 2 specific
[13:03] <Darkside> ugh
[13:04] <fsphil> I thought I had a flag to flip images based on the callsign, can't find it now
[13:05] <PE2BZ> Is Vincent confirmed to be mode1 ?
[13:06] <RocketBoy> when are they scheduled to lanch the apollo50 thing?
[13:07] <Darkside> RocketBoy: 1969
[13:07] <Darkside> you missed it
[13:07] <Darkside> (soon, apparently)
[13:08] <Darkside> no wait, its in the air now!
[13:08] <PE2BZ> as 2 minutes ago ?
[13:11] <RocketBoy> cheers
[13:11] <Darkside> well, that prediction is not looking good
[13:11] <daveake> Supposed to be 7.5m/s ... sigh
[13:11] <RocketBoy> so this is a HY-350 with lots of gas?
[13:12] <daveake> 500
[13:12] <RocketBoy> gosh
[13:12] <daveake> And evidently less than lots
[13:12] <RocketBoy> any idea of the weight
[13:12] <RocketBoy> payload
[13:12] <daveake> I think he said (bad line) 900g
[13:12] <daveake> He said the fill was for 7.5m/s and 21km
[13:14] <daveake> Certainly that was the intention when I set off
[13:16] <Darkside> so are you LCARS?
[13:16] <Darkside> or M0RPI?
[13:17] <RocketBoy> suspect burst will be a little higher - but might just about be OK
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[13:18] <RocketBoy> place your bets now - dry or wet
[13:18] <daveake> Wet
[13:19] <Darkside> soaking
[13:19] <daveake> Just called him.... he said 970g all-in weight, 3.7kg neck lift
[13:19] <daveake> That does check out as 7.5m/s, but at 23km (which wouldn't make an awful lot of difference as the wind changes around 21km)
[13:19] <RocketBoy> thats what the burst calculator says
[13:19] <RocketBoy> (23)
[13:20] <daveake> yup
[13:20] <daveake> tho he told me 21
[13:20] <daveake> but anyway it's the lack of ascent rate that's going to drown it
[13:20] <RocketBoy> bust suspect 25 more realistic based on your experiance
[13:20] <daveake> yeah
[13:21] <RocketBoy> but the predictor puts it (25K) inland by about 10Km
[13:21] <RocketBoy> yeah - the MM/X161 flight the other day was a couple of Km over
[13:22] <RocketBoy> itll speed up me thinks
[13:22] <daveake> predictor assuming 7.5m/s you mean?
[13:22] <RocketBoy> yep
[13:22] <daveake> ok
[13:22] <RocketBoy> the MM/X161 was on the money for ascent rate
[13:23] <RocketBoy> (average ascent rate)
[13:23] <RocketBoy> this on Helium?
[13:23] <RocketBoy> MM/161 was H2
[13:24] <daveake> Cool we're getting telem now
[13:24] <fsphil> I've flipped the images for those two callsigns
[13:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB1KVR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB1KVR
[13:24] <daveake> hero :)
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[13:24] <PE2BZ> fsphil, much better :-)
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[13:28] <fsphil> looks like he's singing
[13:28] <Darkside> flyyyyy me to the moon
[13:31] <daveake> fsphil we want a lyrics overlay on each new image now :p
[13:32] <daveake> "Up, up and away"
[13:32] <daveake> "In my beautiful balloon"
[13:32] <daveake> "Under the sea ...."
[13:32] <Darkside> pff
[13:32] <Darkside> "somewhere... beyond the sea"
[13:34] <daveake> "Float, float on"
[13:34] <PE2BZ> ¨don
[13:34] <PE2BZ> ¨don´t let the sun go down on me¨
[13:35] Action: PE2BZ is to scared to use ¨yellow submarine¨
[13:35] <dg2fs> "And the Pi in the sky keeps on turning..."
[13:38] <daveake> We're setting off, with fingers crossed
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[13:43] <PE2BZ> Good luck !
[13:43] <PE2BZ> Can we have some tropo please ?
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[13:48] <PE2BZ> !flights
[13:48] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03Hottest day 10(bf64), 03HAB Workshop SW Flight One 10(d286), 03BZ around the world 10(62b6)
[13:48] <PE2BZ> !dial d286
[13:48] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03VINCENT 10(d286): none
[13:48] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03APOLLO_50_EX 10(d286): 03434.5 MHz
[13:49] <PE2BZ> BZ around the world and Hottest day could both be in the yellow submarine....
[13:57] <nmcc> !flights
[13:57] <SpacenearUS> 03nmcc: Current flights: 03Hottest day 10(bf64), 03HAB Workshop SW Flight One 10(d286), 03BZ around the world 10(62b6)
[13:57] <nmcc> !dial d286
[13:57] <SpacenearUS> 03nmcc: Latest dials for 03VINCENT 10(d286): none
[13:57] <SpacenearUS> 03nmcc: Latest dials for 03APOLLO_50_EX 10(d286): 03434.25 MHz, 434.250576 MHz, 434.250064 MHz, 434.249813 MHz
[13:58] <RocketBoy> oh - burst - earlier than I expected
[13:58] <RocketBoy> thats handy
[14:01] <nmcc> Predictor puts that as about half way between the south & north coast - plenty of margin
[14:01] <nmcc> Did anyone change the altitude on the tracker?
[14:02] <fsphil> Plwmp. Place name, and also the sound it'll make when it lands
[14:02] <fsphil> the live predictor *should* be using the actual burst altitude
[14:03] <fsphil> the descent rate might be slower than expected
[14:03] <RocketBoy> yeah but it consistently predicts long
[14:03] <fsphil> true
[14:08] <RocketBoy> So they should be OK since its already pulled back to inland.
[14:08] <Darkside> fsphil: you were involved with the BATV ISS video stream stitching stuff?
[14:10] <Darkside> BATC*
[14:10] <nmcc> RocketBoy: yup, and the predictor confirms. Just got to miss the sheep
[14:13] <nmcc> On mode 1, should I really expect CRC errors at -101? I thought it was more sensitive at that rate.
[14:14] <bertrik> what spreading factor is mode 1?
[14:14] <nmcc> 12
[14:15] <bertrik> from my lorawan experience, SF12 should be able to go deeper into the noise than -100
[14:16] <nmcc> Exactly - in theory -134 but thats just fantasy
[14:16] <nmcc> Helping AFC isnt helping either.
[14:16] <dbrooke> my decode threshold for VINCENT has been about -115
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[14:18] <nmcc> dbrooke, what freq have you got it on
[14:19] <nmcc> At 503 Im getting -98 now, but will lose line of sight shortly
[14:20] <dbrooke> 434.502.0 was my last indicate, it's been out of my range for a while now
[14:24] <nmcc> RSSI dropping one digit at a time - will stop fiddling and go and look at my new PCBs
[14:32] <dbrooke> dry, but tree by the look of it
[14:32] <RocketBoy> yeah - still getting updates
[14:33] <nmcc> Not now, but will do when Dave gets closer.
[14:33] <nmcc> Dont understand the tree landing - Ive got the UKs TreeFinder 2000 module on my desk &
[14:36] <nmcc> Last Reported Altitude - Local Elevation = 15m
[14:36] <nmcc> You may understand that I have experience in this department.
[14:38] <BillH> Thanks to everyone for tracking, our HAM boys kept up to it up to about 23000 feet. Not bad at all from Devon. Some great pics.
[14:38] <SIbot> In real units: 3000 ft = 914 m
[14:38] <BillH> Everyone who came to the workshop enjoyed the last two days.
[14:42] <BillH> For those interested VINCENT is the Action Mans name who we flew today. Hes a 1964 version and whilst not the first in space hes now pretty unique.
[14:44] <BillH> We also had record breaking 2.4 GHz Lora transmission of 89KM, so I have been told.
[14:46] <bertrik> LoRa on the 2.4 GHz band is something I'd like to experiment a bit with
[14:46] <bertrik> I guess it's not such much the distance that is a challenge, but interference from other devices
[14:56] <nmcc> Does Vincent have his Action Man sleeping bag just in case hes set for an overnight in the tree tops?
[15:00] <daveake> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/CioOdWzR/IMG_20190726_155359810_HDR.jpg
[15:00] <daveake> Parachute in one tree; payload in another.
[15:00] <nmcc> Excellent - thats how I like it
[15:00] <daveake> About to return to landing site with suitable equipment :)
[15:01] <nmcc> 30 party balloon on balloon line, snag the line running between the two, pull (gently)
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[15:37] <tweetBot> @daveake: Pole(s) 1, tree 0. #ukhas https://t.co/rZX5Yw0Nbg
[15:37] <daveake> It was a 2-pole problem
[15:46] <nmcc> How big is your pole?
[15:46] <gonzo_> poles and zeros
[15:47] <nmcc> And of what construction - my tent poles end up too wobbly - do you have a line attached internally?
[15:54] <tweetBot> @daveake: Still singing ... #ukhas https://t.co/trzi3RDot9
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[16:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> pickoballoon qsl-form anyone :) ? https://www.baktrad.org.tr/ym2kv-pico-balloon-qsl
[16:14] <BillH> daveake when you get a chance can you take / send a pic of Vincent safe and sound? Appreciate all your help.
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[19:13] <daveake> Home now :)
[19:13] <daveake> Second longest chaser I've done
[19:13] <daveake> -r
[19:14] <gb73d> that french one during the week was good
[19:14] <gb73d> poss saw some signal on indoor ant
[19:14] <gb73d> RSP2
[19:14] <gb73d> Apollo 11
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[19:31] <SM0ULC-David> daveake: got the payload? :)
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[20:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE2BZ catched two rs41, and made an order for a st-link. then ill try it out.
[20:41] <SM0ULC-David> )
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