highaltitude.log.20190611

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[02:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SA6BSS-9 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SA6BSS-9
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[07:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03stm32_ecm after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=stm32_ecm
[07:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03stm32_isen after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=stm32_isen
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[07:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 034FSKTEST after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4FSKTEST
[08:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03stm32-polytechnice after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=stm32-polytechnice
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[08:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Pc4l-chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Pc4l-chase
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[08:36] <michal_f> Upu, I fixed my GPS, thanks
[08:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Ball12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Ball12
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[09:02] <Upu> Thumbs up
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[10:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03XX - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=XX
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[10:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PISKY after 0313 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PISKY
[10:44] <PB0AHX-Herman> !flights
[10:44] <SpacenearUS> 03PB0AHX-Herman: There are no flights currently :(
[10:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03stm32_polytechnice_bkp - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=stm32_polytechnice_bkp
[10:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS21 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS21
[11:15] <Ian_> There are no flights, but there is plenty of weather in the UK just at the moment, no much of it 'good' or summery :)
[11:21] <fsphil> summer has been rescheduled for 2021
[11:22] <chris_99> heh, it's been far too rainy of late
[11:22] <SA6BSS-Mike> Summer , best day in the year!
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[11:26] <daveake> s/year/leap year/
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[11:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03stm32_polym - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=stm32_polym
[12:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PC4L_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PC4L_chase
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[12:38] <PE2BZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TXYmIef-Wo&feature=youtu.be
[12:39] <PE2BZ> Youtube stream for the STM32 launch event
[12:40] <PE2BZ> Such a lot of trees....
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[12:48] <chris_99> cool! the balloon looks very large, or is that a fairly normal size?
[12:50] <PE2BZ> We usually fly 100 or 200 gr balloons, I think this is over 600 gram, for me ¨very large¨ ;-)
[12:51] <chris_99> cool, yeah heh, it does look massive, i've just never seen one in person before
[12:52] <chris_99> i was just thinking, are you allowed to use wifi at very low altitudes , i assume maybe you are? since drones work via wifi?
[12:52] <daveake> Call that a balloon? </crocodile_dundee_mode>
[12:53] <chris_99> haha
[12:53] <PE2BZ> Nice camera work :-(
[12:53] <craag> chris_99: You can use the wifi airborne in the uk on the segments listed in ir2030 as such
[12:54] <PE2BZ> chris_99, never seen video´s like this ? try http://37.72.97.164/~pe2bz/files/
[12:54] <chris_99> ooh
[13:01] <PE2BZ> chris_99, on https://photos.app.goo.gl/DU6F6any94o21KWi8 the preparations for the Dutch altitude record with a 600 gram hwoyee balloon which also flew 174 km/h
[13:03] <chris_99> nice :)
[13:04] <chris_99> So that document looks rather complex to me, but roughly what's the cut-off altitude for using wifi?
[13:05] <craag> chris_99: If it says 'permitted airborne' in ir2030, then legally probably 100km :)
[13:05] <craag> technically is a different story, as you are limited by the EIRP (transmit power + antenna gain) at each end
[13:06] <craag> so you can see that downlink works fine, you have an omni antenna on the balloon, at the rated power, and as-big-as-you-can-find receive dish on the ground
[13:07] <craag> but traditional wifi requires 2-way comms, and as you can't point/lift a big receive dish on the balloon, uplink at the datarates wifi uses is hard.
[13:07] <Bozzy> Anyone know afything about the current Pisky flight?
[13:07] <PE2BZ> Must be a test.
[13:08] <PE2BZ> View the images on ssdv.habhub.org
[13:08] <chris_99> craag: sorry i'm a bit confused, you know how some drones use wifi+camera, isn't there a point at which you can use full wifi power on a balloon?
[13:09] <Bozzy> yup, was looking at them earlier, just cannot see a signal despite that it looks like it is climbing and moving
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[13:10] <craag> chris_99: Sure, but 'full wifi power' with omni antennas only gets you a couple of kilometres range.
[13:10] <craag> at most
[13:10] <chris_99> ah gotcha
[13:10] <craag> good enough for drones, not for HABs :)
[13:10] <craag> *consumer drones
[13:11] <craag> continuing from my point, there are projects to make off-the-shelf wifi hardware work one-way such as: https://befinitiv.wordpress.com/wifibroadcast-analog-like-transmission-of-live-video-data/
[13:11] <craag> there's a few derivatives of that used widely in the DIY FPV drone space now
[13:13] <chris_99> cheers, not heard of 1-way wifi before
[13:13] <Darkside> at that points its not really wifi
[13:13] <Darkside> more just stuffing video into 802.11x frames
[13:14] <Darkside> still a neat idea though
[13:14] <craag> yeah it's the modulation and packet layers, without the IP layer
[13:15] <craag> using off-the-shelf hardware is the nice bit
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[13:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KM6BWB-3 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM6BWB-3
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[13:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03stm32_polym_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=stm32_polym_chase
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[14:59] <SWEATIHAB> Hi there
[14:59] <SWEATIHAB> anyone online who has succesfully compiled the flextrack code for a habduino
[14:59] <SWEATIHAB> i keep getting build errors
[14:59] <SWEATIHAB> libraries installed and correct version of arduino ide
[15:00] <SWEATIHAB> 1.6.5
[15:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03Ball12 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Ball12
[15:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03XSky4CAR_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=XSky4CAR_chase
[15:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Phoenix1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Phoenix1
[15:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ICT1 after 0312 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ICT1
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[15:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AD5VC-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AD5VC-11
[15:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K5LSU-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K5LSU-11
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[16:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-25 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-25
[17:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Ke5poj_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Ke5poj_chase
[17:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Ad5vc_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Ad5vc_chase
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[17:31] <bertrik> looks like tracking the flights with the STM32-based HABs from south of France worked
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[17:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS21 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS21
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[18:27] <Ian_> SWEATIHAB I don't know, but suspect that Arduino 1.8.7 (or later) may be current for the Habduino flextrack code, unless of course there are instructions to the contrary?
[18:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ALTRIPREP - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ALTRIPREP
[18:29] <daveake> Ian_ He's sorted
[18:29] <daveake> (assuming same guy who emailed me)
[18:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DC2EH-6 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-6
[18:41] <Ian_> Many thanks daveake
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[18:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SWHS_HAB - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SWHS_HAB
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[20:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KI7NYA-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KI7NYA-11
[20:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Phoenix1_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Phoenix1_chase
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[22:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Ki7nya_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Ki7nya_chase
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[23:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-22 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-22
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