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[04:37] <Lahti> There is no time and sometimes there is burst kill https://tracker.sondehub.org/?sondehub=1#!mt=osm&mz=8&qm=All&mc=60.23468,24.70184&f=RS_M10-T-810-2-11885&q=RS_M10-T-810-2-11885
[04:45] <Darkside> Lahti: what?
[04:46] <Darkside> the M10 doesnt have burst kill information
[04:48] <Lahti> strange why the Estonian M10 then turns off at maximum altitude?
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[05:34] <Darkside> Lahti: i didnt mean that they dont have a burst kill function
[05:35] <Darkside> its just that if they transmit burst timer information (like the RS41), we don't know how to read it
[05:36] <Lahti> ok, wonder and strange that sometimes use and sometimes not
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[06:45] <tjanos> Good morning!
[06:45] <tjanos> Lahti, In our practice was M10 case, when at the burst of balloon the battery connection breaked for a short time, and the sonda went down.
[06:46] <tjanos> Some times later it booted and sent the coordinates again.
[06:46] <tjanos> it was successfully recovered, and we checked the case.
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[07:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PI9GVQ - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI9GVQ
[08:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9ONO-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9ONO-9_chase
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[09:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS20 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS20
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[09:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 034FSKTEST after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4FSKTEST
[09:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PE2BZ-4FSK after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PE2BZ-4FSK
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[10:49] <PD3JO> where can i find horusbinary.exe (freedv uploader hab ) for windows?
[10:53] <Darkside> https://github.com/projecthorus/horusbinary/wiki/FreeDV---HorusBinary-Setup-&-Usage-Instructions#windows-1
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[10:59] <PD3JO> thanks @darkside
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[11:06] <Darkside> PE2BZ: so are there actually 2 payloads, or is NL13771 doing somethign wrong
[11:15] <PE2BZ> Darkside, I made a flight doc wtih the pe2bz-4fsk callsign, and that´s the transmitted callsign
[11:15] <PE2BZ> $$PE2BZ-4FSK,438,11:14:51,51.7776,4.1793,2880,0,9,2960,25*A1B9
[11:15] <PE2BZ> in fldgie
[11:15] <PE2BZ> fldigi that is ;-)
[11:16] <PE2BZ> Horusbinary says $$4FSKTEST,442,11:15:35,51.77516,4.18015,2914,0,9,24,2.94*6FF1
[11:16] <PE2BZ> so the Horus receivers appear on the map with their own payload now ?
[11:16] <PE2BZ> Just back home from the launch location.
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[11:31] <Darkside> PE2BZ: is the one payload flying RTTY and 4FSK?
[11:31] <Darkside> and did you make the RTTY callsign different from the 4FSK decoded callsign (which should be your PE2BZ-4FSK)
[11:32] <Darkside> if horusbinary is decoding the callsign as 4FSKTEST, then you didn't change your payload ID number
[11:34] Action: PE2BZ is now hitting his head on the desk.
[11:35] <PE2BZ> You mean like #define BINARY_PAYLOAD_ID 0 // Payload ID for use in Binary packets
[11:35] <Darkside> yes
[11:35] <PE2BZ> that should have been changed to 6 on the transmitter side also :-(
[11:35] <Darkside> which is kind of the point of having that payload list
[11:35] <Darkside> so its flying with an ID of 0
[11:35] <Darkside> no wonder its showing up as 4FSKTEST then
[11:36] <Darkside> oh well, i guess now you can see who is receiving the 4FSK and who is receiving the RTTY
[11:36] <PE2BZ> My error, I thought that the uploader would recognize the pe2bz-4fsk and upload it as payload ID number 6
[11:36] <Darkside> nope
[11:36] <PE2BZ> I have 5 more rs41´s left now :-)
[11:36] <Darkside> but yeah, i wouldnt be setting the RTTY callsign to the same as the 4FSK callsign
[11:36] <Darkside> that just leads to confusion
[11:37] <Darkside> particularly since it looks like the RTTY telemetry format is different to the 4FSK decoded format
[11:37] <Darkside> i.e. that extra gps error field, and a different way of showing the battery voltage
[11:37] <PE2BZ> So I should set the rtty callsing to anything different and the binary_payload_id to the requested number
[11:38] <PE2BZ> the battery indicator in RTTY missed the ¨divide by 1000¨
[11:38] <Darkside> yes
[11:39] <Darkside> and yes
[11:39] <PE2BZ> Settings saved, and now being transmitted ¨over the air¨ to my radiosonde ;-)
[11:40] <Darkside> >_>
[11:40] <PE2BZ> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Bqy2ArxJQzUqNavc9
[11:43] <F5MVO> Windi !
[11:43] <F5MVO> windy !
[11:48] <PE2BZ> Very ! It went down about 15 meter, the payload collided with a 45 degree angled roof, got dragged up ¨1 floor¨ after which the payload collided with a metal wall and finally decided to go up again. Luckily the hard case of the RS41 was removed and the payload is ¨foam only¨and one tyrap around the 2 pieces so all kept working :-) We had a flight in our early days where the balloon took off with only the bottom of an RS41 ca
[11:48] <PE2BZ> se, leaving the tracker and 2 batteries at ground level...
[11:48] <Darkside> whoops
[11:51] <F5MVO> telemtry upload looks better since yesterday ?
[11:54] <F5MVO> more latency it looks like
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[11:56] <Darkside> looks like the compact has finished running
[11:56] <F5MVO> yes
[11:56] <Darkside> so hopefully thats the end of the issues for a while
[11:56] <daveake> woo
[11:57] <daveake> I shall plan some flights now :)
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[12:28] <PE2BZ> daveake you promised me to send one of your payloads ;-)
[12:28] <PE2BZ> I would prefer a Pi Zero with camera, and a view of my house !
[12:28] <daveake> I did? By post or by air? :)
[12:28] <PE2BZ> By air ;-)
[12:28] <Darkside> haha
[12:29] <daveake> Slightly less dependable than our postal service
[12:30] <PE2BZ> I did send solar panels to Rumania, hidden as christmas card, all arrived in one piece :-) The 100 he ordered from China arrived in about 1000 pieces after 6 weeks....
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> Proper panels are getting very ridiculously cheap.
[12:33] <SpeedEvil> As in $100 for 250W, new.
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[12:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ND6W-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ND6W-9
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[12:45] <PE2BZ> SpeedEvil, that´s a good return on investment. Mine where ¨a bit more expensive¨ but repayed in 7 years and much better as the interest ;-)
[12:46] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
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[12:48] <F5MVO> Pe2bz: its a long flight ?
[12:48] <PE2BZ> Estimated to last till about 7 local time
[12:48] <PE2BZ> Aimed for 1.2 m/a and 6 hours flight
[12:49] <F5MVO> and burst ?
[12:49] <PE2BZ> Usually 22 km for the Pawan 100 gram, but with lower ascend rate that could also be 24 km or even 25 (last PC4L-HAB flight)
[12:51] <F5MVO> ist 2 RS41 modified ?
[12:51] <PE2BZ> One re-programmed RS41 but with the wrong (binary) callsign on the transmitter so it appears as 2 payloads
[12:52] <F5MVO> ok
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[13:07] <PE2BZ> M0JCU, you are familiair with the ´untested documenst found¨ message ?
[13:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DK0FR-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK0FR-11
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[14:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W5NQH-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5NQH-11
[14:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HAPRSB - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HAPRSB
[14:08] <M0JCU> PE2BZ, yep I'm familiar with the message. I got it last time I created a flight document. The payload had been tested successfully that time as well.
[14:08] <M0JCU> I'm going to create a new payload document and retest.
[14:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB9QLS-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB9QLS-13
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[14:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX1 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX1
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[14:23] <PE2BZ> !payload VORTEX1
[14:23] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[14:24] <M0JCU> !payload HADT1
[14:24] <SpacenearUS> 03M0JCU: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[14:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-22 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-22
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[15:00] <PE2BZ> Hi, anyone knows a site like this https://www.ventusky.com/?p=52.4;6.6;5&l=temperature-200hpa but with a bit more to choose between 12000 m and 30000 m ?
[15:05] <Robert_mja> maybe "windy.com"
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[15:11] <PE2BZ> Robert_mja, tnx. that one ¨ends¨ at 13500 meter just below my point of interest where my tracker turns from moving East to movint West ;-)
[15:13] <Robert_mja> Yes, it's comming back to you ;-)
[15:13] <PE2BZ> I finally can pay myself finders fee ;-)
[15:13] <Robert_mja> :-)
[15:14] <PE2BZ> You did not succeed with the binary uploader ? which kind of windows do you use ?
[15:14] <Robert_mja> windows 10, but I stopped trying after it killed my dl-fldigi...
[15:15] <PE2BZ> Which is quite strange....
[15:16] <Robert_mja> I think it happened when the two programs try to use the audio interface at the same time.
[15:17] <PE2BZ> Did it fail when running FreeDV or when trying the binary uploader?
[15:18] <Robert_mja> I dit not set up the binary uploader at that moment.
[15:19] <PE2BZ> I regularly run multiple programs from one audio device, 2 times fldigi and freedv without problems. But every Bill Gates update makes it necessary to rename the audio devices again....
[15:22] <Robert_mja> It is no longer possible to find out what exactly went wrong, I think, but the settings of dl-fldigi were destroyed...
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[15:30] <Robert_mja> He is nice following the predicted path!
[15:31] <PE2BZ> This one was originally from Germany ;-) It goes for a visit now....
[15:34] <Robert_mja> Ah, the Norderney one :-)
[15:35] <PE2BZ> Indeed :-)
[15:37] <PE2BZ> 2 fresh batteries, 25 seconds tested at home. Aimed at 1.2 m/s but the traject is completely different from what I expected. At 1.2 m it should travel to the border, revers, travel to Utrecht, reverse and end up in Nijmegen....
[15:38] <PE2BZ> DK6OV, welcome :-)
[15:40] <DK6OV> Hi Ben
[15:41] <PE2BZ> Good afternoon, I noticed you as receiver on the Pie ;-)
[15:41] <PE2BZ> Was it Walter or am I totally wrong now...
[15:43] <PE2BZ> Entshuldigung, Dieter :-)
[15:43] <DK6OV> my name is Dieter
[15:44] <DK6OV> At this time the signal of the Balloon is at the edge fpr fldigi. Only a few decodes jet.
[15:44] <PE2BZ> Can you run the FreeDV software for the 4fsk mode ?
[15:45] <DK6OV> I tried horusbinary too. But have error-messages from horusbinary.py on my arch-linux system.
[15:46] <PE2BZ> Sorry to hear. I have no experience with the Linux version.
[15:46] <PE2BZ> Does the error message have anything to do with ¨startswitch first arg must be bytes...... ¨?
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[15:50] <DK6OV> no, I get an error: File "horusbinary.py", line 839, in <module> main() File "horusbinary.py", line 827, in main handle_binary(data, payload_list) File "horusbinary.py", line 612, in handle_binary _binary_string = data.decode('hex')
[15:53] <PE2BZ> No clue. And I am quite shure that Darkside is asleep now, living on ¨the other side of the world¨. Or he´s hunting STM32 development boards ;-)
[15:55] <Robert_mja> And now the question is how long the payload will continue to work on the batteries with this software ...
[15:55] <Robert_mja> It takes more than an hour to make the turn ...
[15:59] <PE2BZ> I measured last year 120 - 150 mA so it could run 12 -14 hours on these 3000 mAh batteries. Did not measure the current with this newest firmare however.
[16:00] <PE2BZ> https://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/PE2BZ-4FSK#g/battery
[16:00] <PE2BZ> quite stable for the last 2 hours now.
[16:00] <PE2BZ> Should have programmed a sleep timer between 23 and 08 local time ;-)
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[16:10] <Robert_mja> So, Dave could find it tomorrow and send this back ;-)
[16:12] <PE2BZ> :-)
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[16:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HAPRSA-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HAPRSA-11
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[16:31] <Bozzy> Hoping to see a signal here in York England when it starts moving more East, 432.7mhz is very wuiet here, no interference...
[16:31] <Bozzy> More West I mean....
[16:43] <DK6OV> Ben: I tried a bit with horusbinary.py on python 3.7, but alwas get error like this: TypeError: a bytes-like object is required, not 'str'
[16:44] <DK6OV> I think, that is to complex for me to fit it on the run.
[16:45] <DK6OV> I tried with python-2, but there are some libraries missing in the repositories.
[16:51] <PE2BZ> Hi, someone reported that error with as comment ¨solving the Capital problem in ¨import queue as Queue¨ solved that problem. Can you locate that ? I agree that it´s quite complex to solve but if that´s the same problem for you there is chance to fix it.
[16:51] <PE2BZ> Bozzy, I hope it going to keep this altitude for a while :-)
[16:52] <PE2BZ> Could burst between 21 and 25 km is our experience with this type of balloon.
[16:53] <DK6OV> I had to change that line too, to get the program running. But that is not the problem.
[16:54] <PE2BZ> I´ll notice Darkside that there are some Python problems. Thanks for trying anyway !
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[17:05] <Jerry_> !flights
[17:05] <SpacenearUS> 03Jerry_: Current flights: 034fsk-rtty-pe2bz 10(1c53), 03HABKi_03 10(83b8)
[17:05] <Jerry_> !payload 1c53
[17:05] <SpacenearUS> 03Jerry_: Payload 03PE2BZ-4fsk-rtty 10(1c53) 03$$PE2BZ-4FSK - 03FreeDV 4fsk and 100 baud RTTY - 03432.71 MHz USB 03RTTY 100/810Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[17:07] <Jerry_> !dial 1c53
[17:08] <PE2BZ> I am on 432.710.3
[17:08] <SpacenearUS> 03Jerry_: Latest dials for 03PE2BZ-4fsk-rtty 10(1c53): 03432.674558 MHz, 432.708651 MHz, 432.710332 MHz, 14.297181 MHz, 432.7101 MHz, 432.71 MHz, 433.233432 MHz, 432.71078 MHz, 432.708652 MHz
[17:08] <Jerry_> OK thank you, sadly nothing here (G8DXZ)
[17:09] <PE2BZ> A lot of strange values in the dial results. I am convinced I am on 432.710 MHz + or - a few Herz
[17:09] <PE2BZ> Are you in or outside the blue circle ?
[17:09] <Jerry_> inside
[17:10] <PE2BZ> and tuned to 432 MHz and not the more common used 434.710 MHz ?
[17:11] <Jerry_> yes, 432
[17:12] <PE2BZ> If it does not burst it should come a bit closer :-)
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[17:12] <Jerry_> i have only got a vertical collinear so maybe a ago would give me a few more db's
[17:13] <Jerry_> a yagi
[17:13] <PE2BZ> aha ;-)
[17:14] <Jerry_> after a while you think you can hera itty in the noise !
[17:14] <PE2BZ> I guess you do :-) Look at the waterfall if there are any traces
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[17:26] <Jerry_> i can see traces now but the spacing looks more like 460, is that right?
[17:27] <PE2BZ> M0JCU, this appeared to be the payload which was received this afternoon: 1e97accefddf95552247f407af2467d4
[17:27] <Jerry_> 432.71057 dial
[17:27] <PE2BZ> Sound allright :-)
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[17:30] <PE2BZ> the dial that is. The spacing is 810 Hz for the RTTY, alternating with 4fsk (4 ¨carriers¨ instead of 2 )
[17:30] <M0JCU> PE2BZ that is pretty much the same payload.
[17:30] <M0JCU> I tried setting up a flight plan using that payload value which didn't work either.
[17:31] <M0JCU> Well it identifies it now. Let's try a flight plan
[17:32] <PE2BZ> Good luck!
[17:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC6QIU - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC6QIU
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[17:44] <Robert_mja> And learned something again today. If the balloon is approaching too close, switching from the colinear antenna to a groundplane helps. Signal goes from almost nothing to perfect reception again
[17:45] <Jerry_> ok, dial is now 432.71020, 810 shift, i can see two traces but s/n 5 to 6db. I've got a upu habamp preamp in. I will have to get another aerial up :)
[17:48] Action: PE2BZ wonders What´s the bandwidth of the habamp....
[17:48] <chris_99> interesting Robert_mja , what groundplane antenna do you use? or did you make it
[17:49] <PE2BZ> The habamp is specified for 15 Mhz so that would not hurt being on 432 MHz and not 434 MHz
[17:50] <Jerry_> oh, good point, do you think we are too low at 432?
[17:51] <PE2BZ> No, that would nicely fit in the specified bandwidth. You could test without but I do not expect it to improve.
[17:54] <Robert_mja> It's just a sma connector with 5 pieces of copper wire soldered on it. Placed on an photo tripod, inside under the roof of the house. Use google and search for "groundplane calculator".
[17:57] <Jerry_> tested without the preamp and no real difference except everything is much quieter. Both traces have all but dissapeared now. When do you expect it to burst?
[17:57] <PE2BZ> From experience about now till about 24 km
[17:58] <Jerry_> ok
[17:59] <chris_99> cheers Robert_mja
[17:59] <Robert_mja> Hopefully no burst, starts just to float :-)
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[18:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03AZUBI_DE after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AZUBI_DE
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[18:18] <PE2BZ> Robert_mja, it might have happened :-)
[18:19] <Jerry_> yep
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[18:20] <Robert_mja> Sunset will help :-)
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[18:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC1LIP-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC1LIP-11
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[18:48] <happysat> still some light http://happysat.nl/2019_05_11_LRPT_20-20-05.s_123.jpg
[18:49] <Robert_mja> Nice picture!
[18:50] <happysat> tnx :)
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[18:54] <Robert_mja> 4 Free, Send to the united Kingdom :-)
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[19:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB after 0316 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB
[19:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9UOB-P35 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-P35
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[19:54] <PE2BZ> Daveake ready to retrieve mine ;-)
[19:58] <PE2BZ> !payload azubi_de
[19:58] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[20:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD9IEA-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD9IEA-11
[20:30] <Robert_mja> If 4fsk is going below 19000m, it looks like it's going south(-west) instead of west...
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[23:36] <Darkside> PE2BZ: noted the python 3 incompatability, will fix
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