highaltitude.log.20190416

[00:03] <Medad_> Ah I understand
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[00:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LACHLAN_RX_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LACHLAN_RX_chase
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[01:51] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS19 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS19
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[07:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3S31 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3S31
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[07:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS19 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS19
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[09:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SITS-6 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITS-6
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[10:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03GLAUB40 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GLAUB40
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[10:25] <garymortimer> Hello all, a silly question..... why don't I have a received line firing out from my receiver position? What did I unclick?
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[10:48] <Darkside> garymortimer: you need to have the payload of interest selected on the left of the scren
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[11:21] <Medad> PE2BZ what is SITS-6 transmitting on? what frequency?
[11:22] <PE2BZ> rtty 300 bd 600 shift 8n2 434.662 MHz
[11:22] <Medad> thanks
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[11:26] <Medad> wow 300 baud is so fast!
[11:29] <garymortimer> Ah thanks darkside
[11:30] <TimMc_> mwheeler: it just needs to land a little to the left ^_^
[11:34] <PE2BZ> It´s the default setting for some tracker designs. But it´s way overdone for ¨just position updates¨
[11:35] <Darkside> we used to run 300 baud all the time..
[11:35] <PE2BZ> In dl-fldigi you have to adjust the RX bandwidth (400 Hz over here) to be able to decode
[11:35] <Darkside> now we run 100 baud, but with a way better modem
[11:36] <Darkside> still get roughly the same position update rate, but like 10db better performance
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[11:43] <garymortimer> That didn't work Darkside. Medad is no using the same receiver and managed a line, I am feeling left out ;-) Must be something I did
[11:44] <Darkside> odd
[11:44] <Darkside> dunno sorry
[11:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> you use dl-fldigi-HAB
[11:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> or hab mode
[11:45] <SA6BSS-Mike> whn u install u get two shortcuts on the desctop
[11:45] <Medad> you will need to input your position into dlfldigi
[11:45] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, thats one think moste miss
[11:46] <SA6BSS-Mike> https://i.imgur.com/3dFkUYG.png
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[11:52] <Medad> Yesterday's ICSPACE11 launch was very successful. 12h 52min flight. Longest flight we have done. Looks like the battery ran out
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[11:54] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, looked like battery as there whas quite a few listners for the last packet
[11:59] <mwheeler> TimMc_: haha, i take it you'll nab that one?
[12:00] <Medad> yes. ICSPACE11 decended from 8600m to 3100m during the flight and then recovered. I believe there must have been some icing problems. After decending, the ice must have melted, evaporated and then it recovered altititude
[12:01] <TimMc_> mwheeler: hoping too, yeah :-P might be 15min away
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[12:28] <Medad> SITS-6 falling quite fast.-6.6m/s. Is that normal? it is at 1600m
[12:29] <daveake> Yeah that's normal
[12:30] <daveake> That works out at a landing speed of 6.2m/s, which is a tad over what we normally aim for (5m/s)
[12:31] <daveake> The reported speed is a bit noisy anyway as GPS altitudes are noisy, so it might be a bit faster or slower
[12:33] <Medad> ok. WebSDRs are really nice. I could listen to much of the flight without taking out my antenna and equipment!
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[12:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MARS2018 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MARS2018
[12:46] Nick change: pe2bz_ -> Wasdatnou
[12:46] Nick change: Wasdatnou -> PE2BZ-12
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[12:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BAG13-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BAG13-12
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[12:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC1EAI - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC1EAI
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[13:03] <TimMc_> mwheeler: so far :(
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[13:04] <mwheeler> The prediction might be derpy
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[13:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Tablet_Chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Tablet_Chase
[13:06] Nick change: pe2bz__ -> PE2BZ
[13:06] <mwheeler> Darkside: is there any issues with how many sondes in habhub are generating predictions? There are so many sondes now!
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[13:19] <Darkside> mwheeler: the server doing the predictions is pretty beefy
[13:19] <Darkside> i think the issue is more on the browser side
[13:19] <Darkside> adamgreig: or DanielRichman would know more
[13:20] <mwheeler> ah cool, just want to make sure we aren't causing issues
[13:29] <TimMc_> might just see where it lands and go after it :P
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[13:39] <ve9vw> Hi All :-)
[13:40] <ve9vw> I am setup in Canada
[13:40] <ve9vw> Can I set up auto_rx to listen to 1680 mhz also
[13:40] <ve9vw> I got my first reception after a few days. on 402.870 2019-04-15 Dfm radiosonde mhz dfmxx-xxxxxxxx but it not decode.
[13:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK3FTMC_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK3FTMC_chase
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[13:54] <PE2BZ> ve9vw congrat with first RX :-)
[13:55] <PE2BZ> I think the 1680 MHz will be received but I don´t think there are supported sondes in that frequency band with this software ? What type does fly in Canada in the 1680 MHz ?
[13:58] <ve9vw> I am not sure about 1680 Mhz just heard that theyre could be some. but I will keep trying on 400mhz I like to able to chase one down one day
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[14:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SSTAR0295 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SSTAR0295
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[14:18] <TimMc_> mwheeler: getting better at opening RS41's :-P
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[15:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0ZTV-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0ZTV-3
[15:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0ZTV-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0ZTV-2
[15:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-25 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-25
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[17:45] <w5kub-tom1> question. i have a balloon w5kub-1 and it has gone into an area that has no coverage. i see that it it totally missing from the map today
[17:45] <w5kub-tom1> normally i have seen it on the map until the next aprs connection.
[17:46] <w5kub-tom1> Will it show back up once it is in range of an aprs ?
[17:47] <w5kub-tom1> on the left by the map is says no vehicles :(
[17:51] <PE2BZ> Hi.
[17:51] <PE2BZ> Is it solar powered ?
[17:51] <PE2BZ> !whereis w5kub-1
[17:51] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: 03W5KUB-1 was over 03Caribbean Sea 10(14.5385,-67.52934) at 039039 meters about 032 days ago
[17:52] <PE2BZ> !track w5kub-1
[17:52] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=w5kub-1
[17:54] <PE2BZ> w5kub-tom1, if I follow the tracker and select Hysplit it will be in range of South Africa close to 09 UTC tomorrow morning.
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[17:55] <SA6BSS-Mike> You mean North :) ?
[17:56] <PE2BZ> w5kub-tom1, if I follow the tracker and select Hysplit it will be in range of Africa close to 09 UTC tomorrow morning.
[17:56] <PE2BZ> Better :-)
[17:56] <SA6BSS-Mike> haha :) better
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[17:57] <PE2BZ> Even Africa is still divided ;-)
[17:57] <w5kub-tom1> im not seeing it on the map. in fact where hysplit normally is, that area is all blank
[17:57] <SA6BSS-Mike> it will be aout of aprs range for at least a week
[17:57] <PE2BZ> https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=4&qm=All&mc=18.42814,-16.63065&f=W5KUB-1&q=w5kub-1
[17:57] <w5kub-tom1> at the very top it has w5kub-1 but under that it says no vehicles
[17:57] <PE2BZ> Does my url work ?
[17:57] <SA6BSS-Mike> it works here
[17:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> I get the last pos of the balloon and hysplt
[17:58] <w5kub-tom1> yes your url works
[17:58] <PE2BZ> by the way, if I type ¨ !track w5kub-1 ¨ in my IRC does anyone see the results or only me ?
[17:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> everyone sees it
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[17:58] <w5kub-tom1> but when i go to tracker.habhub.org and put in w5kub-1 it does not work
[17:59] <PE2BZ> what´s below MAP ? 1 hr, 6 hr, 3 day ?
[17:59] <SA6BSS-Mike> you have to extend the days to 3
[17:59] <SA6BSS-Mike> ^^
[17:59] <PE2BZ> You´re 1 second late.. Is it the age ;-)
[18:00] Action: PE2BZ ia angry not being able to get Adalm-pluto to mount my network drive
[18:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> if im 1 sec after you im fine with it even at my young age of 46 :)
[18:00] <bertrik> PE2BZ: how do you like that SDR?
[18:00] <PE2BZ> That young :-)
[18:00] <bertrik> It's looking like a nice device
[18:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> :)
[18:00] <w5kub-tom1> yes that fixed it
[18:01] <w5kub-tom1> the balloon is just a mylar party balloon, hydrogen and aprs tracker
[18:01] <w5kub-tom1> hey guys i have a weekly ham radio show on Tues nights. and on our webpage i have the tracker embedded
[18:01] <w5kub-tom1> please go to w5kub.com
[18:01] <PE2BZ> bertrik It´s quite good for the price. Not to much filtering, if you extend the rx range to below 150 MHZ you can get digital TV at the FM radio frequencies but that´s not a big problem
[18:02] <w5kub-tom1> our show is 0100 UTC Wed and we will report each week on the show
[18:02] <PE2BZ> I succesfully transmitted KG-STV with it over Es¨Hailsat
[18:02] <w5kub-tom1> soon we will be launching a better balloon using the sushi wrap plus wspr
[18:02] <bertrik> cool
[18:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> w5kub-tom1: where did you get the sushi wrap?
[18:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://www.scientificballoonsolutions.com/products/?
[18:03] <w5kub-tom1> Im working with Bill Brown wb8elk on it. bill has launched over 500 balloons
[18:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, I know
[18:04] <w5kub-tom1> there is a company i thin in calif that sells the sushi wrap balloons for about $130
[18:04] <SA6BSS-Mike> 500 I did not know but alot I did know :)
[18:04] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://www.scientificballoonsolutions.com/products then?
[18:06] <w5kub-tom1> next balloon will have wspr on it. it seems on this one we might not see a new track for 1-2 weeks
[18:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> wspr is great on a balloon, steady reports every day
[18:06] <w5kub-tom1> the skytracker board we are using has both aprs and wspr on it. but it was windy and we cant launch the wspr with wind
[18:06] <w5kub-tom1> because of the 34 ft dipole
[18:06] <SIbot> In real units: 34 ft = 10 m
[18:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> nop, im not launching if the winds are over 4m/s , the +10m trail of a 20m wspr balloon is a pain in the wind
[18:08] <PE2BZ> w5kub-tom1, 1 or 2 weeks for w5kub-1 you mean ? Why not tomorrow morning ? Africa is quite sunny.
[18:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> but no aprs network
[18:08] <w5kub-tom1> i didnt think there were many if any aprs there
[18:08] <PE2BZ> ahhh
[18:09] <w5kub-tom1> also we are running solar power only. no battery so even in aprs coverage it night we wont get a position
[18:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> w5kub-tom1: when you launch the 20m wspr tracker when you make the antenna make it the usual way and counf in the 0,95% shortening factor, alot of myth about the balloonn should be a "free spece antenna" as they travel at high altitude, thats so wrong!
[18:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> I tried it does not work, make them arounf 5.08-5.10 and you will have alot of sucsess
[18:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> thats in meter
[18:13] <SA6BSS-Mike> next tracker built and tested, probably launch Friday https://imgur.com/qWeVz5W
[18:14] <chris_99> nice! do you have the pcb design online out of interest, curious what chips etc. you've used
[18:17] <SA6BSS-Mike> pm me your email and I can send you the eagle files of the normal pcb, this have to many specilalitys on it, but its still about the same weight within a couple of milli grams
[18:21] <SA6BSS-Mike> it uses atmega328 ublox or china 3$ gps I cant remeber name of now and a si5351 tx, it works with qrplabs u3s wf
[18:21] <chris_99> oh nice, i've got a silabs module somewhere
[18:23] <chris_99> !flights
[18:23] <SpacenearUS> 03chris_99: Current flights: 03ICSPACE11 10(c67a), 03ICSPACE10 10(acef)
[18:24] <chris_99> i can finally start listening to flights this week, fingers crossed, just got an old colinear antenna (or at least that's what i assume it is heh) and will get the sma cable tommorow
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[20:05] <LIERO> no insulation SA6BSS-Mike ?
[20:05] <SA6BSS-Mike> nop, its flying but naked :)
[20:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> using a good low ppm tcxo takes care of tx stability
[20:07] <LIERO> oh, you make your own pcb?
[20:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes
[20:07] <LIERO> I think that's what makes sense in the long run, tbh
[20:08] <LIERO> wasting space with separate microcontroller, radio, GPS. etc
[20:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes, and with the prices of pcb: s (CHEAP) its the easiest and cheapes and most lightweight way to do it
[20:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> exactly
[20:08] <LIERO> jlcpcb?
[20:09] <SA6BSS-Mike> its a very weight driven hoby, evry part of a gram counts
[20:09] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes
[20:09] <LIERO> cool
[20:09] <LIERO> I'm eager to just get my parts and try my first flight.. it will be with separate PCBs and everything.. just to wet my feet and see the practical problems that come up
[20:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> lots of stuf you realy cant explain , you have to do it to see whats needed and wahts can be improved for next lauch
[20:11] <LIERO> solar panels only available from china, will probably come after easter
[20:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, have not seen any of those 100psc packs on EU side ebay for resonable price
[20:12] <LIERO> yeah.. on amazon they do the expedited delivery but it's still the same seller from China
[20:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> where are you located?
[20:12] <LIERO> Bulgaria
[20:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> ah, ok
[20:14] <SA6BSS-Mike> have you listened and found any wx sondes?
[20:15] <LIERO> unfortunately not, I just started looking at habhub a couple of days ago
[20:15] <LIERO> I've had APRS igates before thought..
[20:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> thats quite fun, they are released daily from several locations in every country , just listen for and decode, once in a while they land nearby
[20:15] <LIERO> habhub is 433MHz ISM or what?
[20:15] <LIERO> weird frequency
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[20:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> ism band can be used without a ham radio license
[20:16] <LIERO> half the projects I see use APRS or WSPR
[20:17] <SA6BSS-Mike> thats whats avalible, I have heard something of a beacon mode on FT8 but not much else
[20:18] <LIERO> so UK uses ISM, because they aren't allowed to use ham frequencies airborne?
[20:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> best thing to use a already avalible listening network or you have to do al the listening youselg which can be tiresome and hard
[20:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes, correct
[20:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> and license free
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[20:20] <LIERO> I'm not going to even ask about the legal aspects of flying a vehicle across 15 countries with different regulations
[20:20] <SA6BSS-Mike> which goes for most if not all countrys in EY
[20:20] <SA6BSS-Mike> EU
[20:20] <SA6BSS-Mike> better not :)
[20:21] <SA6BSS-Mike> but try listening for the RS41 sondes, they are fun to go foxhunting for and you can rebuild them as a 70cm aprs/rtty balloon tx
[20:22] <SA6BSS-Mike> not rebuild, just reprogram, no hw mods requierd
[20:22] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://www.om3bc.com/docs/rs41/rs41_en.html
[20:22] <LIERO> will do, but essentially I can only do that stuff after work.. so if I have the energy
[20:22] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://escursioni.altervista.org/Radiosonde/
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[20:23] <LIERO> I have the rtlsdr and an upconverter, so I can do everything - HF WSPR, APRS, this ISM UHF stuff, etc
[20:23] <SA6BSS-Mike> they are sent up 00 and 12 , so I set hdsdr to record local frequncy as we only have nightlaunches here so if it land nearby I can go get it before work
[20:23] <SA6BSS-Mike> *00 & 12 utc
[20:24] <SA6BSS-Mike> here the batterys last up until about 9-10 in the morning if no killswitch is enabled
[20:25] <SA6BSS-Mike> which they are not here
[20:25] <SA6BSS-Mike> the rtl work fine
[20:26] <LIERO> aah, is that what all those RS-XXXX are.. on habhub
[20:26] <LIERO> meteorological service sondes?
[20:26] <SA6BSS-Mike> wx sondes RS41 mostly :)
[20:26] <SA6BSS-Mike> what we (I am) are talking about
[20:26] <SA6BSS-Mike> do you se any landing near you
[20:26] <LIERO> not many in my area, but..
[20:27] <LIERO> will need to drive up to Bucharest before work
[20:27] <SA6BSS-Mike> https://tracker.sondehub.org/?sondehub=1#!mt=osm&mz=2&qm=6_hours&f=none&q=RS_*;*chase
[20:28] <SA6BSS-Mike> I quite sure there is lauches in nearby you , its just that that there is noone listning for them and uploading to sondehub
[20:28] <LIERO> fair enough, nearest rx stations are hundreds of kilometers away
[20:29] <LIERO> although most of them travel east, no?
[20:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> you I can hear Polish and German sondes here when they get up to 30k , but the ones I shasing is launched 150km from here
[20:30] <SA6BSS-Mike> mostly but it varies quite a lot over the year and month
[20:30] <LIERO> right, so I'm at the western part of the Black Sea
[20:30] <LIERO> meteorological service in my town is right at the shore, literally 50m away
[20:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> try scan the 400-406 Mhz 30-90min after 12 this weekend
[20:31] <LIERO> but it's a thought to set up a rx station
[20:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> when I guess you are free
[20:31] <LIERO> yeah
[20:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> I have a small 70cm yagi on a rotator but I have tested it on my 2m bend dipole wih great sucsess
[20:33] <SA6BSS-Mike> anyway, its just a headsup, more balloons out there then most people know about :)
[20:33] <LIERO> map on habhub looks like littering!
[20:33] <LIERO> didn't know there are so many out there
[20:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> if its to littered put !RS_*; and it filter wx sondes
[20:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> *out
[20:35] <SA6BSS-Mike> I bb in 5min
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[21:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS19 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS19
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