highaltitude.log.20190314

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[05:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MD1506_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MD1506_chase
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[10:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS18 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS18
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[11:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PICO-WL - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PICO-WL
[11:24] <PE2BZ> SA6BSS-Mike, is it coming down ?
[11:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K6DWA-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6DWA-11
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[11:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD4BFP after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD4BFP
[11:45] <SA6BSS-Mike> PE2BZ: looks like it
[11:49] <PE2BZ> Back to 10 km now :-)
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[11:52] <YO3ICT> SA6BSS-Mike, so 20m WSPR. What dial frequency? Or the usual one?
[11:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> usual one
[11:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> 14.095600
[11:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> PE2BZ: gps glitch, the script inputs 10000m when there is no valid alt data
[11:54] <SA6BSS-Mike> oh its going up again :)
[11:55] <SA6BSS-Mike> https://i.imgur.com/6R5lX6o.png
[11:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-25 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-25
[12:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> YO3ICT: its quite high in the bandpass 14.97180 4x tx in a row, qrss 300hz down and repeat
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[12:02] <SA6BSS-Mike> lunchbrealk over, l8er
[12:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VORTEX1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX1
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[12:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD4BFP-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD4BFP-11
[12:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kd4bfp_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kd4bfp_chase
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[13:54] <PE2BZ> SA6BSS-Mike, now I get a place in the Pie :-)
[13:54] <PE2BZ> 2019-03-14 13:50 SA6BSS 14.097168 -26 0 HO42 +13 0.020 PE2BZ JO21cx 2377 1477
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[14:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM4RGO-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM4RGO-1
[14:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> PE2BZ: :)
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[15:33] <YO3ICT> 1530 -28 0.7 14.097190 0 SA6BSS HO62 13 3924
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[18:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03E3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=E3
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[19:12] <PE2BZ> T - 4 minutes for soyouz launch
[19:12] <bertrik> PE2BZ: do you have a youtube link, or somthing like that?
[19:12] <PE2BZ> nasa tv
[19:13] <PE2BZ> https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/#public
[19:13] <bertrik> nasa launches soyouz?
[19:15] <PE2BZ> Nasa monitors Soyouz launch I guess ? 70 Million for each astronaut ?
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[19:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[19:43] <PE2BZ> SA6BSS-Mike, for 26 gram payload (with battery) and 30 gram foil balloon, would you go for 4 or 6 gram free lift ? (now don´t answer with ¨solar panels¨ please, that´s for the next one....)
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[21:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> PE2BZ: I think 6 gr is a bit to mouch, I would def go with 4 gram
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[21:21] <michal_f> !flights
[21:21] <SpacenearUS> 03michal_f: Current flights: 03PICO-32 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(33b0)
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[21:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OE3OSB-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OE3OSB-12
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[21:56] <The> greetings from greece!!!
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[21:57] <Garc> Greetings from Greece!
[21:57] <Darkside> hello mr definite article
[21:57] <Darkside> or mr used to be definite article
[21:57] <Garc> hahaha I would like to join as The Garc Project but it doesn't let me
[21:58] <Darkside> yes you cant have spaces in your nickname
[21:58] <Darkside> The_Garc_Project would probably work
[21:58] <Garc> oh great idea
[21:58] <Garc> one min to try it
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[21:59] <The_Garc_Project> it worked! thanks!
[21:59] <The_Garc_Project> now I have a question
[22:00] <Darkside> 42
[22:00] <The_Garc_Project> In greece this Sunday we have a festival
[22:00] <The_Garc_Project> they suggested to our team
[22:01] <The_Garc_Project> to take off a high altitude balloon project with 2 meteorological balloons!
[22:01] <Darkside> as in, 2 together?
[22:01] <Darkside> or separate launches
[22:02] <The_Garc_Project> and I would like to ask if it's a good idea or not!
[22:02] <The_Garc_Project> as 1 project!
[22:02] <Darkside> 2 balloons side-by-side will likely interact in bad ways
[22:02] <The_Garc_Project> 1 mission hith 2 meteorological balloons tied in!
[22:02] <Darkside> and result in an earlier failure
[22:02] <The_Garc_Project> what do you mean?
[22:02] <Darkside> as in, they will rub against each other
[22:03] <The_Garc_Project> yes! i know but we have an idea!!!
[22:03] <The_Garc_Project> the one balloon will have a rope of 5 meters
[22:03] <Darkside> then the other balloon will rub against the rope
[22:04] <Darkside> resulting in early railure
[22:04] <The_Garc_Project> and the 2nd one will be in the half of the rope 2.5 meters
[22:04] <Darkside> failure*
[22:04] <The_Garc_Project> yes but we will not have rubbing
[22:04] <Darkside> how?
[22:04] <Darkside> it sounds like you are engineering a solution for a problem that shouldnt exist in the first place
[22:05] <The_Garc_Project> the problem is that we find a sponsor!
[22:05] <The_Garc_Project> we find a sponsor that it is going to give us for free to meteorological balloons 5,5 ft each one filled with helium
[22:05] <SIbot> In real units: 5,5 ft = 17 m
[22:06] <The_Garc_Project> two meteorological*
[22:06] <Darkside> i woud expect that the sponsor should know that launching two balloons in this way is a bad idea ^TM
[22:07] <The_Garc_Project> yes but why? the 1st balloon will have a rope of 5 meters and the second can have 10 meters rope or be connected on the half of the main rope (2,5 meters)
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[22:08] <daveake> Whatever you do, there will be contact. Either do 2 flights, or forget the 2nd balloon
[22:08] <Darkside> the lower balloon will rub against the rope going up to the top balloon
[22:08] <Darkside> what he said
[22:08] <Darkside> daveake: sup
[22:09] <daveake> Waiting for decent weather to start my HAB year :)
[22:10] <The_Garc_Project> yes you have right.... i thought it but i thing it will have small impact
[22:10] <The_Garc_Project> so my question is
[22:11] <The_Garc_Project> what are you thinking and why if we attach 2 meteorological balloons instead of one can we have a higher altitude record or they would burst much more quicly resulting in lower altitude?
[22:12] <Darkside> one of them will fail earlier resulting in the flight not going to plan
[22:12] <Darkside> use a single balloon
[22:12] <Darkside> a larger single balloon
[22:13] <daveake> Even without rubbing, 2 balloons won't go higher than 1
[22:13] <The_Garc_Project> so if we use only one 5,5 ft meteorological balloon instead of 2 we would gain much more altitude you think?
[22:13] <SIbot> In real units: 5,5 ft = 17 m
[22:13] <daveake> Because one will burst first, and the other will then have the weight of the first to lift as well as the payload
[22:14] <The_Garc_Project> oh ok so in order to gain much more altitude we must use only one 5,5 ft right? :)
[22:14] <SIbot> In real units: 5,5 ft = 17 m
[22:15] <daveake> erm
[22:15] <Darkside> when we talk about balloons, we usually specify their size by their weight
[22:15] <daveake> Sibot is sub-optimal :)
[22:16] <The_Garc_Project> yes here is an another problem
[22:16] <The_Garc_Project> this sponsor is also selling balloons
[22:17] <The_Garc_Project> meteorological balloons but it doesn't specify the balloon weight!
[22:17] <daveake> So is 5.5' the burst size ?
[22:17] <Darkside> can you link to a specification page?
[22:17] <The_Garc_Project> I used a kitchen weighter
[22:17] <The_Garc_Project> yes of course!!!
[22:17] <The_Garc_Project> one minute!
[22:18] <The_Garc_Project> the kitchen weighter wrote 350 to 400 grams!
[22:18] <The_Garc_Project> for the balloon inside the small nylon bag
[22:18] <Darkside> what kind of altitude were you aiming for? and what weight is your payload
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[22:20] <The_Garc_Project> http://78200.asisupplier.com/ProductDetails/?productId=4923334&imageId=34648761&tab=Tile&referrerPage=ProductResults&refPgId=501667027&referrerModule=PRDREB
[22:20] <The_Garc_Project> asi 78200
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[22:20] <The_Garc_Project> the code of the balloon
[22:20] <The_Garc_Project> payload mass ~1kg
[22:21] <Darkside> ok
[22:21] <Darkside> these are not weather balloons
[22:21] <Darkside> these are designed for display, and therefore the burst diameter is effectively unknown
[22:22] <Darkside> they will likely not be very good for high altitude balloon launches
[22:23] <Darkside> you will not be able to estimate the correct fill to acheive a given burst altitude
[22:24] <The_Garc_Project> hmm yes but it says cloudbuster and the seller said that it is used from our local weather authority to meter the weather
[22:24] <Darkside> i call bullshit on that, sorry
[22:24] <Darkside> they *might* be used as ceiling balloons (to measure cloud layer height) but not for radiosondes
[22:25] <The_Garc_Project> pff
[22:25] <The_Garc_Project> it cost was 35 euros!
[22:25] <Darkside> if they do not specify a rated burst diameter (which they do not), i'd be very concerned
[22:26] <The_Garc_Project> i wanted to buy a well known brand but I had to wait 1-2 months and I didn't!
[22:26] <daveake> Well, for a 1000g payload, you will need to fill it to nearly the stated 5.5 feet diameter. You will have no idea how much larger it can get before it bursts. It might be a short flight.
[22:26] <SIbot> In real units: 5 ft = 1.52 m
[22:26] <Darkside> could be very short
[22:27] <daveake> Very
[22:27] <daveake> I wouldn't bother launching it myself
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[22:27] <daveake> http://www.randomengineering.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Welcome.html should be able to deliver in a few days
[22:28] <The_Garc_Project> so which altitude you think that we would reach according to this balloon?
[22:28] <daveake> I have no idea
[22:28] <Darkside> this is the point we are trying to make
[22:28] <daveake> That's our point
[22:28] <Darkside> without a rated burst diameter, there is no way to even predict the expected burst altitude
[22:29] <The_Garc_Project> you thing that it is possible for this to reach 20000 meters?
[22:29] <daveake> Who knows
[22:30] <daveake> I weather balloon 350g will get to about 20km with 1000g
[22:30] <daveake> But that balloon ... a) we don't know, b) nobody knows, c) likely it will burst long before 20km
[22:33] <The_Garc_Project> if the balloons are the same at the sunday festival
[22:34] <The_Garc_Project> you think again that we must try again with one balloon?
[22:36] <The_Garc_Project> also
[22:36] <The_Garc_Project> we have an idea
[22:36] <The_Garc_Project> of making a HAB with a 3meters diameter PVC balloon
[22:37] <The_Garc_Project> with connected solar panels
[22:37] <The_Garc_Project> for how many days you suppose that it would fly?
[22:37] <Ian_> Bearing in mind also that for a balloon/system that will exceed 2m diameter in any direction "at burst", there will doubtless be permissions required from the Helenic CAA. and that will take a bit of time to arrange.
[22:38] <Ian_> Keep GCP legal
[22:38] <Ian_> eee TGP
[22:39] <The_Garc_Project> what do you mean?
[22:40] <The_Garc_Project> if we have a balloon under 3 meters diameter we don't require a permission from hellenic caa?
[22:40] <daveake> Well to start with, do you have permission from your aviation authority for your flight ?
[22:40] <The_Garc_Project> yes we have!
[22:40] <daveake> Good
[22:41] <The_Garc_Project> but ian said for 3meters and up!
[22:41] <The_Garc_Project> so if we are under 3 meters in diameter we don't require a permission?
[22:41] <daveake> He's thinking of flights that do not need permission ... for UK that's ones <2m (for everything)
[22:42] <The_Garc_Project> which flight's don't want permisions?
[22:42] <The_Garc_Project> in greece?
[22:42] <daveake> No idea.
[22:43] <The_Garc_Project> in Greece no one knows what is the Hab
[22:43] <daveake> Well someone does to give you permission !
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[22:44] <The_Garc_Project> off course
[22:44] <The_Garc_Project> but let me ask me something different
[22:45] <The_Garc_Project> ian said that under 3 m diameter no permission is required
[22:45] <The_Garc_Project> so I ask
[22:45] <daveake> No ignore him :)
[22:45] <The_Garc_Project> If someone use two 2m balloon?
[22:46] <daveake> Again, I don't know what the rules are in Greece
[22:46] <The_Garc_Project> in order not to buy 4 meter diameter balloon to buy 2 balloons of 2 meters
[22:46] <daveake> For UK, *everything* has to fit inside a 2m sphere
[22:46] <daveake> So the answer he would be no you would need permission
[22:46] <daveake> here ^
[22:46] <The_Garc_Project> also for uk for the pattend i mentioned before?
[22:47] <The_Garc_Project> with the 2 2m balloons?
[22:47] <daveake> That would make 4m so would need permission, as I explained
[22:48] <The_Garc_Project> pff I understand...
[22:48] <The_Garc_Project> yes but uk is European
[22:48] <The_Garc_Project> for the moment right?
[22:49] <The_Garc_Project> so it will be the same for Greece right as per easa
[22:49] <The_Garc_Project> ?
[22:50] <daveake> Assuming Greece are applying the European rules, yes, 2m max
[22:51] <daveake> Always check with local authorities
[22:51] <The_Garc_Project> in Greece if you also flying a drone you nead a licence called £œ—•‘
[22:51] <The_Garc_Project> need*
[22:53] <The_Garc_Project> with the licence you mentioned
[22:53] <The_Garc_Project> can you fly a drone in uk?
[22:56] <The_Garc_Project> ?
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[23:00] <The_Garc_Project> ok
[23:00] <The_Garc_Project> if we use 3m pvc balloon
[23:01] <The_Garc_Project> with the special permission
[23:01] <The_Garc_Project> for how many days will be flying?
[23:02] <Darkside> we cannot answer these questions
[23:02] <Darkside> all of this requires experimentation
[23:03] <Darkside> you cannot expect it to work first try
[23:05] <The_Garc_Project> we want to try it because our calculations says that if we buy a 3m pv balloon fill it untill 2m and release it would fly for approximately 25 days!!
[23:05] <The_Garc_Project> so we can collect information with telemetry systems!
[23:06] <The_Garc_Project> this would be a great project because it would be like taking off a sattelite!
[23:12] <The_Garc_Project> now something else
[23:13] <The_Garc_Project> it says #habhub for flight approvals
[23:13] <The_Garc_Project> what it means?
[23:14] <SA6BSS-Mike> test
[23:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> you can paste you flight dock in there and a boot check for errors and if all is ok an admin approves it
[23:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> after that it appears on the ggogle callender visible on habhub map
[23:17] <The_Garc_Project> oh great!
[23:17] <The_Garc_Project> I suppose for habhub map you must use the well known rtty trace method
[23:17] <The_Garc_Project> right?
[23:18] <Darkside> its certainly the simplest way
[23:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> you can have aprs importer as well as others
[23:19] <The_Garc_Project> great!
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[23:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5NE_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5NE_chase
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