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[02:14] <Astrophiz> Greetings from Oz
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[09:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YO9GJX_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YO9GJX_chase
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[10:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS18 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS18
[10:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SITS-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITS-1
[10:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SQ2LYF-1 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ2LYF-1
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[11:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-25 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-25
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[11:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SITS-4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITS-4
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[12:04] <mwheeler> Darkside: I forgive you
[12:04] <mwheeler> your code didn't break anything
[12:05] <mwheeler> faulty switchmode powersupply, no power into the bias-t
[12:05] <Darkside> ya
[12:05] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[12:05] <Darkside> ffs
[12:05] <Darkside> ~yay
[12:05] <mwheeler> along with creating a nice 150v AC feed into the box -_-
[12:05] <mwheeler> fluttershy yay :P
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[13:27] <Darkside> TimMc_: fix your IRC!
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[13:36] <PE2BZ> !flights
[13:36] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03PICO-32 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(33b0)
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[13:36] <PE2BZ> !track PICO-32
[13:36] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PICO-32
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[14:07] <fsphil> TimMc_: your internet connection sucks
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[15:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SVGARC - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SVGARC
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[15:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OAQ-PIS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OAQ-PIS
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[15:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9UOB-P28 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-P28
[15:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YO3ICT after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YO3ICT
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[16:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9UOB-P33 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-P33
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[16:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ND6W-4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ND6W-4
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[16:10] <MattB2> hello - has anyone ever tried to get insurance for a launch?
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[17:28] <SteveHyde> Dear All - was hoping for some advice. Can connect and post fine suing webclient, but am unable to post using LimeChat on computer or mutter on phone...What am I doing wrong - getting Error(404): #highaltitude Cannot send to nick/channel...
[17:29] <SteveHyde> !flights
[17:29] <SpacenearUS> 03SteveHyde: Current flights: 03PICO-32 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(33b0)
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[17:31] <chris_99> SteveHyde: could be doing that if your nick isn't signed in?
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[17:36] <Viproz> mwheeler, Darkside here ?
[17:37] <Viproz> actually it's pretty early in the morning for them
[17:43] <SteveHyde> Chris_99, with the web interface I just any user name and its ok... for the clients I need to sign in??? if honest I've never really understood irc...
[17:44] <chris_99> oh hmm, maybe i'm wrong then
[17:44] <SteveHyde> Not saying you're wrong... what client do you use what settings?
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[17:44] <chris_99> im just using irccloud
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[17:45] <chris_99> but i thought for this channel, you have to be identified with nickserv, but i could be wrong
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[17:57] <Viproz> chris_99, yeah I had the issue this afternoon but there probably is an exception for the web interface
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[17:58] <hyde00001> chris_99 genius!
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[18:22] <hyde00001> 10 feet
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[20:39] <TimMc__> i should try irccloud?
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[21:01] <mwheeler> Viproz: good morning
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[21:34] <Viproz> mwheeler, Hey, I had done some testing with detection and the bandwidth for M10 and my conclusion was that 15 kHz really wasn't large enough, I tested it on a sample with different offsets and at 15 kHz it really wasn't decoding it properly
[21:35] <Viproz> I don't have live M10 to test with though, I've been having some issues receiving the one closest to me (Bordeaux)
[21:37] <mwheeler> yeah, I think that's why detect happens at 22k. I think Darkside has a plan
[21:44] <Viproz> You know if he usually showup early on Saturdays here ? ^^
[21:47] <mwheeler> It depends, probably not this early, he was up all night playing with testing decoding performance
[21:47] <mwheeler> I know we do detect at 15k
[21:47] <mwheeler> erm
[21:47] <mwheeler> 22k
[22:24] <mwheeler> tfw you find an rs92 under your couch when cleaning
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[22:25] <SpeedEvil> I tripped over an old sealed battery from a RS80 the other day. Squashed it.
[22:41] <Darkside> grghzzhzh
[22:43] <Darkside> Viproz: yo
[22:44] <Viproz> Darkside, hey
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[22:44] <Darkside> so my testing script allows me to siulate frequency offsets
[22:45] <Darkside> what kind of offsets have you seen in real life?
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[22:56] <Viproz> Darkside, I had seen some that were way off, 5kHz iirc but let me check
[22:56] <Darkside> hrm
[22:57] <Darkside> ok thats definitely harder to deal with
[22:58] <Darkside> so we claw some detection performance back by switching to dft_Detect
[22:58] <Darkside> but not all of it
[22:58] <Viproz> hum, my file names are really bad, it's in the chat log somewhere :D
[22:59] <Viproz> when it doesn't detect it can it decode it sometimes ?
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[22:59] <Darkside> not ure about when its offset
[22:59] <Darkside> at the moment we can decode to alower SNR than we can detect for most sondes
[22:59] <Darkside> but thi sis because when we decode a sonde we can narrow up the filters to get better performance
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[23:00] <Viproz> ah that's annoying
[23:00] <Darkside> when we do detection, we have to compromise the filters
[23:00] <Darkside> grrg 9:30 am and its 33 degrees already
[23:02] <Viproz> I don't see any solution other than trying to detect a few times with different filters but that's annoying
[23:02] <Darkside> yeah
[23:02] <Darkside> I was thinking about adding a 'M10 mode'
[23:03] jayvee (~quassel@2402:1f00:8100:400::d60) got lost in the net-split.
[23:03] <Darkside> where if you know you are in an area that doesnt fly M10s, you can change a setting and it goes back to the narrower filter
[23:04] <Viproz> yeah that could be a solution until we can do some parallel stuff
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[23:04] <Darkside> ill look into that today
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[23:06] <Darkside> good work on the rtl_fm hack though :-)
[23:06] <Darkside> thats enabled me to go baseline the current performance
[23:07] <Viproz> I have a bit of code that is the (I think) most optimal way of detecting RS headers, I think it's pretty slow and maybe doesn't work well for multiple RS detections but can you try it on some samples to compare it to dfm_detect ? I have no idea what dfm_detect is doing, I didn't look at the code so maybe it's doing the exact same
[23:08] <Viproz> no worries, how does it compare then ? :)
[23:08] <Darkside> its actually surprisingly good
[23:08] <Darkside> i still dont know how the -s parameter on rtl_fm related to FM channel bandwidth
[23:08] <Darkside> relates*
[23:09] <Darkside> i suspect it may just be half what is provided with -s, which would explain a lot
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[23:13] <Viproz> I sent you my little code to do the detection, integrating and doing all the summing for each new samples, just to see if it compares with dft_detect or not, I've programmed the RS41 header in
[23:13] <Darkside> can it take files via stdin?
[23:13] <Darkside> i need that to be able to test
[23:14] <Darkside> oh yep, it can
[23:14] <Darkside> how do i compile?
[23:15] <Viproz> gcc all the .cpp
[23:16] <Viproz> hum wait
[23:16] <Darkside> thats builds
[23:17] <Viproz> g++ not gcc x)
[23:17] <Darkside> ye
[23:17] <Darkside> yes i figured that :P
[23:18] <Darkside> oh yeah, your rtl_fm hack needs to detect the end of the data on STDIN
[23:18] <Darkside> at the moment it doesnt
[23:18] <Viproz> oh yeah it probably just holds
[23:18] <Darkside> yup
[23:18] <Darkside> i have to kill it with a timeout
[23:20] <Darkside> hmm
[23:20] <Viproz> I don't actually know how it works to end a pipe, I'm guessing there is an EOF somewhere
[23:20] <Darkside> on startup its saying sampes per bit of 4.99?
[23:20] <Viproz> shit I forgot the baudrate
[23:21] <Darkside> wheres that set?
[23:21] <Viproz> FrameDetector.h
[23:21] <Viproz> int baudRate = 9615;
[23:21] <Viproz> int baudRate = 4800;
[23:22] <Darkside> yup
[23:24] <Darkside> i think its about the same
[23:24] <Darkside> doesnt detect as many frames as the rs41 decoder decodes
[23:25] <Darkside> actually it might be the same without --ecc on the decoder
[23:25] <Viproz> okay, I don't think there is any significant margin of performances in the detector then , you were doing the tests at 22 kHz right ?
[23:26] <Darkside> oh this was comparing at 15 khz
[23:26] <Darkside> will run again at 22
[23:26] <Darkside> so part of the difference comes donw to thresholding
[23:27] <Darkside> at 22 khz, your code is detecting frames right down at the lowest SNR im testing with
[23:27] <Darkside> but im pretty sure dft_detect will be getting a correlation there too, but its just below the thereshold rs1729 has set
[23:28] <Viproz> I'm not doing any thresholding, I'm getting the samples minux a running averaged sum
[23:28] <Darkside> yes i can see that you are outputting a frame count
[23:29] <Viproz> yeah that's just to compare it with my M10 decoder
[23:29] <Darkside> the point is, we need to be careful with how the output is used to confirm a detect
[23:29] <Darkside> we cant just call a detect on a single frame
[23:29] <Viproz> how many does it detect ?
[23:29] <Darkside> 13 at 10db SNR
[23:30] <Darkside> ill paste the outputs somewhere, hold on
[23:31] <Darkside> (still running...)
[23:31] <Darkside> https://slexy.org/view/s215jBabxk
[23:33] <Viproz> well 13 is still really significant, very low chance of false positive
[23:33] <Darkside> sure
[23:33] <Darkside> but i expect if i twiddle the thresholdon dft_detect down by 0.05, i'll end up with teh same performance
[23:34] <Viproz> float thres = 0.76; it's this value you're talking about ?
[23:34] <Darkside> in dft_detect.c, theres a table of baud rates, headers, and names
[23:35] <Darkside> yup, if i change the RS41 threshold to 0.60, i get detections right down to 10 db SNR
[23:36] <Darkside> though i'd need to run the detector over the whole sample set to make sure i havent broken somethign else
[23:37] <Viproz> yeah if it doesn't give any significant false positive wa can get away with a lower value
[23:37] <Darkside> yup
[23:37] <Darkside> that means i probably need to go include some white noise recordings in my test set
[23:37] <Viproz> I guess Zilog already played with this number, would be good to have his input
[23:39] <Darkside> yup
[23:40] <Darkside> i might work on building up some additional test samples designed to trigger false positives
[23:40] <Darkside> like, recordings of the common interferers i find around my place
[23:40] <Darkside> then when we test the detection scripts, we run them over those signals too
[23:41] <Viproz> I'm guetting issue with my USB connection from the SDR to the pi, it's not helping to decoding the RS from far away
[23:41] <Viproz> yeah some negative testing
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[23:43] <Darkside> then i need to figure out how to present all these results nicely :P
[23:43] <Darkside> if you can figure out how to make rtl_fm close when an input sample finishes, that'd be good
[23:44] <Darkside> and will speed up testing
[23:45] <Darkside> (also making it not actually need a rtlsdr attached would be good too :P
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[23:46] <Viproz> haha yeah I'll see what I can do :p
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