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[00:46] <Ian__> chris_99 Bruce is still very active on the xjet and the rcmodel YouTube channels and currently having a go at those that dream up knee jerk drone regulations and the like.
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[00:51] <Ian__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jutZizaEHUg
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[01:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB
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[06:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB-P32 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-P32
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[08:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS18 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS18
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[10:13] <dbrooke> I just went for a short drive and fetched https://sondehub.org/P1730138
[10:14] <dbrooke> my first retrieve of a "free" STM32 dev board 8-)
[10:14] <Darkside> nice!
[10:15] <dbrooke> was in a tree but I'd guessed as much as I was still receiving it this morning so took poles and gaffer tape
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[10:17] <dbrooke> the chute and balloon were in the field across a drain and are now in a big tangle in my garage
[10:17] <Darkside> you get chutes!
[10:17] <Darkside> we don't get chutes
[10:18] <dbrooke> yeah, I'll try and disentangle it for possible re-use if it's not damaged
[10:18] <dbrooke> you get radar reflectors instead?
[10:18] <Darkside> yep
[10:18] <Darkside> they use them as parachutes
[10:20] <dbrooke> I'll put up some photos in a little while ...
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[10:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CHANGEME - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHANGEME
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[10:53] <dbrooke> https://album.dbrooke.me.uk/RS_P1730138/
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[11:49] <PE2BZ> dbrooke Congrats !
[11:49] <PE2BZ> Quite a bit of Latex left !
[11:50] <dbrooke> yeah, I'll get rid of that and then try to disentangle the cord and free the chute
[11:51] <PE2BZ> Is there text printed on the balloon ?
[11:52] <fsphil> flammable warning
[11:52] <dbrooke> "highly inflammable"
[11:52] <PE2BZ> thanks
[11:52] <fsphil> doesn't that mean it isn't flammable? :)
[11:53] <dbrooke> haha
[11:53] <fsphil> guessing they're using H2 for these
[11:53] <dbrooke> maybe it does say flammable, I think such things were changed to avoid misunderstanding
[11:58] <fsphil> the last one I got had the same, https://i.imgur.com/olgUmu0.jpg
[11:59] <dbrooke> that seems surprisingly intact
[12:00] <Darkside> i think pretty much everywhere uses H2 now...
[12:01] <fsphil> yeah this one stopped half way up, came down slowly. just a slight rip rather than bursting
[12:03] <Darkside> i wonder where you get those protective suits..
[12:03] <fsphil> tin foil and duct tape :)
[12:05] <dbrooke> when I was little my dad got hold of some kind of fireproof suit to cut up and line a brazing hearth, I played with the "space suit" for a while first, ended up covered in dust - it was asbestos lined!
[12:06] <dbrooke> bit it's OK, it wasn't dangerous back then
[12:09] <chris_99> eek
[12:14] <dbrooke> I'm not dead, yet
[12:15] <chris_99> :) is asbestos dangerous mainly because of the small particles, or is it toxic also?
[12:18] <russss> it's carcinogenic because of the small particles
[12:18] <chris_99> oh i misunderstood what toxic meant though. yeah that makes sense
[12:18] <russss> it's like...microscopic fluff
[12:18] <chris_99> it seems strange to me, that it's from minerals, and yet it's fluffy
[12:20] <daveake> dbrooke I remember taking a large sheet of asbestos home from school once to cut into small sheets. As you say, it wasn't dangerous then :p
[12:22] <dbrooke> I think it was quite widely used, I removed the panel to access under the bath for some cables in my previous house and I'm pretty sure it was asbestos sheet, I just put it back carefully
[12:24] <russss> the sheets are pretty inert, and it's really only an issue with long-term occupational exposure
[12:26] <dbrooke> yes, it was more a case of not damaging it and creating dust
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[13:33] <Ian__> At RAF Swinderby as a kid of 11, 12 & 13 we lived in a prefab built of asbestos. I slept with the wall about 12" from my nose.
[13:33] <Ian__> Sibot is asleep
[13:34] <craag> 12 inches
[13:34] <craag> hmm
[13:35] <Ian__> Standard 2' 6" Vono single bed.
[13:35] <craag> ah yes it only does ft, lbs and fahrenheit
[13:36] <Ian__> So not truly imperial Sibot then :)
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[13:36] <craag> it was targeted ;)
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[13:36] <Ian__> Sibot loves me
[13:39] <daveake> So what size balloon do I need to get my flight to 1200000 inches ?
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[13:50] <craag> < daveake> So what size balloon do I need to get my flight to 1200000 inches?
[13:50] Action: craag kick SIbot
[13:51] <dbrooke> and what target ascent rate in furlongs per fortnight?
[13:51] <daveake> btw craag having put a few more of those RS powerbanks around on my Pi collection, on one of them (running HABDEC) it eventually discharges. Limitation is the charge rate.
[13:52] <daveake> So if you have heavy CPU usage or something else hanging off the 5V, you might see the same
[13:52] <craag> daveake: :( I was concerned about that, hadn't got around to stressing it yet.
[13:53] <daveake> I think it's probably about 500mA
[13:53] <craag> Hmm it talks about doing 500mA and attempting 1000mA if it thinks the charger can do it.
[13:53] <daveake> Yeah I could try a different charger
[13:56] <dbrooke> I was noticing low voltage warnings from some of my Pis so bought a variable load and measured various supplies to find that the problem was mostly cables, the decent looking thick ones often having the most drop
[13:57] <craag> A lot of thick-looking ones have just well-insulated the 40awg data wires
[13:57] <craag> Ive had good experiences with the anker 'powerline' cables
[14:00] <daveake> Yeah I tested most of my cables with one of those variable load things
[14:00] <dbrooke> I have a couple of partapow ones which are 20 awg but most are just random no-name with variable quality
[14:00] <daveake> Binned 4 which measured 1 ohm or so
[14:00] <dbrooke> portapow
[14:01] <dbrooke> btw craag my latest Pi project appears to be the result of a script by your father 8-)
[14:02] <craag> hah portsdown?
[14:02] <dbrooke> yeah
[14:02] <craag> I've just finally started building mine too for es'hail
[14:02] <dbrooke> I already had a Lime SDR mini so it seemed rude not to try it
[14:03] <craag> same, realised the only thing I was missing was an attenuator to drive the PA!
[14:03] <craag> that's on it's way... c920 -> rpi3b+ -> limesdr mini was all plug'n'play
[14:04] <dbrooke> ah, I'm still missing a PA so have only tested across the room (to Airspy + sdrangel on my desktop PC)
[14:05] <craag> We're talking about adding nb modes to the limesdr, should be able to use it for an ssb tx at least.
[14:05] <craag> then can add freedv on top of that
[14:05] <craag> so it does atv talkback too :)
[14:06] <daveake> This is using the sat as an ATV relay ?
[14:06] <craag> yes
[14:06] <daveake> nice
[14:07] <craag> there's a dedicated tpx with 8M bandwidth
[14:07] <daveake> Do you have to book time on it? Or just Tx if it's not in use ?
[14:07] <craag> https://eshail.batc.org.uk/wb/
[14:07] <daveake> Ta will take a look
[14:07] <daveake> Not that I need any more projects just yet :)
[14:07] <craag> just tx :)
[14:07] <daveake> Planning a "chat via HAB" with fsphil soon
[14:07] <craag> :D
[14:08] <daveake> Actuall 2 HABs ... Phil --> his HAB --> my HAB --> me
[14:08] <craag> awesome
[14:08] <daveake> More punybaud than 8M though :)
[14:08] <craag> heh the datv is taxing on the power
[14:09] <craag> people are working ssb through the sat at 100mW into a 60cm dish
[14:09] <craag> datv needs about 25W into a 1.2m for a decent pic so far I think
[14:10] <dbrooke> I had a listen via your(?) goonhilly websdr a few days ago
[14:10] <craag> :)
[14:12] <dbrooke> I even joined BATC again (last did ATV about 30 years ago)
[14:15] <russss> yeah I dislike the fact that all this stuff is only published in magazines, but it's not that expensive so I have reluctantly joined too
[14:16] <russss> still not that interested in ATV though
[14:18] <craag> the model of cq-tv is something that we've spent a long time discussing
[14:19] <craag> and it seems that the only way to get 90% of the people producing 'cool stuff' to write it up at all, is if it goes into a nice printed publication.
[14:19] <craag> (even then finding content can sometimes be a slog)
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[14:24] <craag> So we make a quarterly printed, glossy, publication - which then needs funding. And we all really dislike adverts.
[14:29] <russss> heh
[14:30] <russss> part of the reason I'm not a member of the RSGB is the mandatory printed magazine tbh
[14:30] <russss> I might be minded to consider it if they cut £10 off the price and didn't send me the magazine. Less paper pls.
[14:31] <craag> you mean the sales catalogue ;)
[14:31] <russss> heh
[14:32] <fsphil> I left the RSGB when I noticed a nearly years worth pile of unopened mags in the corner
[14:32] <russss> the only printed magazine I genuinely enjoy receiving is the http://www.subbrit.org.uk/ one because it's just astoundingly well produced and there are zero ads
[14:33] <russss> and it's half the price of the RSGB!
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[14:35] <russss> and they have a better website
[14:35] <fsphil> 50% fewer typos maybe :)
[14:39] <dbrooke> I downloaded some pdfs of cq-tv and just skimmed through the recent ones, 3 contributors are locals who I know (and another 2 are in this channel)
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[15:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG7OAS-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG7OAS-11
[15:34] <kristianpaul> o/
[15:45] <michal_f> !flights
[15:45] <SpacenearUS> 03michal_f: Current flights: 03PICO-32 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(33b0)
[16:29] <daveake> craag: Here's the plan for the HAB Relay Chat flight :) http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=2431
[16:31] <craag> excellent :)
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[16:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KALI04-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KALI04-12
[16:48] <fsphil> looking forward to this
[16:49] <craag> How long since you last did a hab fsphil ?
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[16:51] <fsphil> my last solo one was 2015 for the partial eclipse, and that didn't get above 1km - landed in a lake
[16:51] <craag> excellent, jumping back in with a rather exciting one then :)
[16:52] <fsphil> I've got two other payloads to test too. might be this year too
[16:52] <fsphil> wenet 10k and nbtv
[16:52] <fsphil> might combine them
[16:53] <craag> oh yes that'd be cool to see
[17:02] <daveake> I'm sure I asked before, but what throughput can you get within UK rules on wenet ?
[17:03] <fsphil> about 10kbit/s
[17:03] <fsphil> on 434mhz
[17:04] <fsphil> probably a bit more if it was 4FSK
[17:04] <fsphil> well, exactly double :)
[17:04] <fsphil> there's FEC so the actual useable rate is less
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[17:06] <daveake> 50 baud is enough for anyone (c) Bill Gates
[17:06] <chris_99> haha
[17:08] <chris_99> basic question, is there a list of all future flights somewhere, i can see a google calendar widget on the tracker, but i can't seem to get that to list all future ones
[17:09] <daveake> Well, it needs people to make flight docs and get them approved ...
[17:09] <daveake> ... doesn't always happen
[17:10] <chris_99> gotcha, is there a list of flight docs?
[17:10] <daveake> Also, most people only do that around 3 days before launch, as that's when the weather forecast is mostly reliable
[17:10] <chris_99> ahh
[17:11] <craag> on the mailing list used to be the most reliable source of "i might launch this in a month or two", the next best thing is that calendar.
[17:11] <daveake> I tend to do an announcement maybe 5 days before flight, depending on how variable the predictions are, so people have a bit of notice to get ready
[17:12] <daveake> Problem is, this hobby is so wind-dependent, and wind forecasts are as reliable as any other weather forecast
[17:13] <chris_99> mm, makes sense
[17:13] <daveake> At least these days we don't, on a Friday, suddenly get 4 people announcing a flight the next day on 434.650MHz :D
[17:15] <craag> and then "oh it's ok because we're using RFM22s and they're not often on exactly the same frequency".. cue chaos.
[17:15] <daveake> lol
[17:16] <daveake> Remember my first Buzz flight? The challenge was retuning quick enough to get a whole sentence out of the rfm22b
[17:16] <daveake> Insulation lost out to aesthetics on that one ...
[17:16] <craag> I have a screenshot somewhere of an ntx2 in the middle of the dlfldigi waterfall with 2x different-flight rfm22s dancing around it
[17:16] <daveake> lol
[17:16] <craag> hah yes
[17:18] <daveake> Never mind the insulation; watch the blinkenlites :D http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/P1030196-1024x768.jpg
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[20:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03tracher4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=tracher4
[20:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W7OZT-4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7OZT-4
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[20:54] <PE2BZ> SA6BSS-Mike maybe saturday http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=38c5a5951be16bdc2ab2265a8808bb0bfaa3b0e6
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[21:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03CHANGEME after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHANGEME
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[21:43] <SA6BSS-Mike> PE2BZ: Il be ready :)
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[22:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03V3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=V3
[22:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RSH-mobile_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSH-mobile_chase
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[23:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RSHKGM_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSHKGM_chase
[23:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RSH123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSH123_chase
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