highaltitude.log.20190128

[00:07] <Darkside> oh
[00:07] <Darkside> hold on
[00:08] <Darkside> you shouldnt need a crimp tool for the clamp type connectors
[00:08] <Darkside> however a crimp tool is very useful to have!
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[00:24] <Ian_> The N-type plugs have a gland clamp fitting, so you only need to solder the centre pin to the coax. The gland and the shroud on the bottom of the Diamond X50N will keep out water ingress.
[00:30] <Ian_> Note: viki84 the picture that you posted showed SMA plugs and sockets, and the magmount had a 1/4" CB type fitting and the cable was a PL259 not an N-type plug.
[00:31] <Ian_> The Diamond X50 comes in two variants X50 (SO239) requiring a PL259 plug and the X50N with an N-type socket, requiring an N-type plug.
[00:35] <Ian_> Crimp tools used to cost the earth, but in the last few years they have become available at quite reasonable prices. Cheap enough to put a few into the tool box for when they might be needed.
[00:38] <Ian_> Real crimp tools, not the stamped out things.
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[02:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5PET_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5PET_chase
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[06:39] <viki84> Thanks a lot Ian. :) re crimp tools, which one do you recommend (or any other?) : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ratchet-Crimp-Tool-RG316-RG174/dp/B00OZQV0EA/ref=sr_1_19?ie=UTF8&qid=1548628929&sr=8-19&keywords=RG58
[06:39] <viki84> or https://www.amazon.co.uk/coaxial-cable-crimping-connectors-crimper/dp/B072QWCZYW/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&qid=1548626746&sr=8-17&keywords=coaxial+cable+crimp+sma ?
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[09:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HORUSLORA1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA1
[09:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HORUS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUS
[09:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HORUSBINARY - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSBINARY
[10:07] <Darkside> yup that all still works...
[10:10] <LIERO> https://www.enhancedradio.com/products/hamshield-mini
[10:10] <LIERO> Looks interesting for HAB APRS.. 200mW should okay?
[10:10] <LIERO> I wish they had more reviews on these shields
[10:11] <Darkside> oh that looks interesting
[10:33] <Ian_> viki84 No recommendation for any crimp tools really. Make sure that it's a ratchet type, suitable specifically for what you need to crimp and that the price is good for you at the time. There is no point in spending unwisely. Mostly in my many years I haven't needed a crimper for very much at all.
[10:34] <LIERO> I got one of the aliexpress ones for RG58, it works very well
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[10:36] <Ian_> I suspect that at the moment you don't really need a crimping tool.
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[11:49] <Daniel39> I am looking for 'an item' which can mount Antenna to the wall. Something like this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Alda-PQ-Antenna-mounting-cable/dp/B06XB5TFLW/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1548676073&sr=8-7&keywords=wall+mounting+antenna
[11:49] <Daniel39> What's the name for it? :)
[11:50] <Daniel39> I need exactly the same thing but without an antenna as I have one.
[11:51] <Viproz> you just need the piece of angle iron with two holes ?
[11:51] <Daniel39> Yes.
[11:51] <Daniel39> :>
[11:54] <michal_f> Daniel39, https://www.google.com/search?q=antenna+wall+bracket ?
[11:54] <Viproz> If you have a drill you can make it yourself otherwise it looks a lot like pieces of some shelves so maybe you can find something fairly similar at a hardware store
[11:56] <Daniel39> :) I don't have a drill.
[11:56] <Viproz> How are you going to attach it to a wall then ?
[11:56] <Daniel39> I thought people see these things...
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[11:57] <Daniel39> not see, I mean -> sell things things
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[11:57] <Daniel39> I will attach it using a glue or silicon.
[11:59] <Viproz> Just make something with some pieces of wood then, wood is not going to be your weak point
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[12:16] <Daniel39> Why a metal/iron would be a weak point? if that's what you mean.
[12:23] <dbrooke> I suspect he meant the glue would be the weak point
[12:24] <dbrooke> my last antenna install was a little more substantial https://album.dbrooke.me.uk/adsb_ogn/tn/P1020408.JPG.html
[12:26] <Viproz> This is indeed what I meant and you can do wood even without a drill, you just need a small saw, 3 pieces of wood, a screwdriver and some screws, you make an L shape with a diagonal and a slot to put your antenna
[12:29] <Viproz> Darkside, I don't understand something, I'm trying to decode a M10 right now, it doesn't really want to decode it so I've used tee to get a sample of the audio and if I analyse it on my PC I get 2 matches (8 with the last recording) but it doesn't show up in the logs, you have an idea of what could be happening ?
[12:31] <Viproz> Decoder #0 M10 401.000 - rtl_fm -p 0 -d 0 -g 40.0 -M fm -F9 -s 22k -f 401000000 2>/dev/null |sox -t raw -r 22k -e s -b 16 -c 1 - -r 48000 -b 8 -t wav - 2>/dev/null |tee /home/pi/test.wav |./m10 -b -b2 2>/dev/null
[12:31] <Viproz> I'm taking the audio exactly at the same place as the script is reading it so I don't know how it could be different
[12:31] <Viproz> same version same arguments
[12:33] <Viproz> mwheeler, tagging you too if you have some insight of what could be happening, maybe the thing that waits to have 5 IDs but I had 8 decodes in the last file
[12:36] <Viproz> when running the m10 program on the machine directly using the compiled binary I get the same result, a few decodes
[12:39] <Viproz> also it doesn't seem to upload correctly to APRS all the time, I see this message in the console "APRS-IS - Uploaded to APRS-IS: Viproz>APRARX,SONDEGATE,TCPIP,qAR,Viproz:;ME782404 *123445h4812.54N/00234.27EO167/005/A=079813 Clb=5.7m/s t=-59.1C 401.000 MHz Type=M10 Radiosonde http://bit.ly/2Bj4Sfk !waW!" so a successful upload but it doesn't appear on APRS.fi
[12:41] <Viproz> last thing for now it sometimes (like 1/5) says this "APRS-IS - Error converting telemetry to APRS packet - 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0x81 in position 3: ordinal not in range(128)"
[12:48] <Viproz> To rule out any issue with piping I've ran "sox -t wav ~/test_1.wav -t wav - 2>/dev/null | ./m10 -b -b2 2>/dev/null
[12:48] <Viproz> " same number of decodes as expected
[12:49] <Viproz> (I'm done spamming the chat, all of this is just some memo for Darkside for when his side of the planet will be in the daylight)
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[13:21] <Daniel39> Whenever Im trying to use zeusbot log search function it gives me this error: Unauthorized access to internal API. Please refer to https://support.google.com/customsearch/answer/4542055. What should I do?
[13:30] <dbrooke> That sounds like something the site admins would need to fix, they live in #habhub so if you can paste it in there they'll be more likely to spot it
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[14:54] <Ian_> Daniel39 it's called a bracket . . . I observe that you don't have a drill, but apparently you don't have a bracket either. With a bracket, you can apparently do very little. With a drill, you can arrange to mount a bracket . . . you need to decide which is really the more important :)
[14:55] <Ian_> I have a 25' pole that sits on/in the ground and is secured by a length of string. Various lengths over it's 18 year tenure. No drill required.
[14:57] <Ian_> The pole is secured to a washing line pulley mounting eye at around 7' and supports a W300 colinear.
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[15:54] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> new sdr console is out https://www.sdr-radio.com/Blog/PostId/43/release-304
[16:09] <Viproz> hum their use of console is confusing, I got excited I thought it was a command line console
[16:10] <fsphil> I've seen a few other windows programs use console to refer to GUIs
[16:11] <fsphil> and shell for the text-mode variety
[16:13] <dbrooke> for the minimal amount of GUI there's https://github.com/simonyiszk/csdr
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[16:25] <Viproz> Yeah I know it's a valid use to say GUI but it means a lot of other things as well
[16:30] <Viproz> dbrooke, this looks very good though, really seems to be a lot better than rtl_fm and with some tweaking might allow to listen to two frequencies at the same time
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[16:32] <dbrooke> I keep meaning to try more things, currently I have a funcube dongle / csdr / direwolf APRS receiver/gateway on a beaglebone black
[16:38] <dbrooke> I see it now has a non-blocking tee command, I wrote my own for an earlier version so that I could write to a fifo and stdout to get 2 parallel chains from one receiver, so that should work for 2 frequencies
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[16:41] <Viproz> This is something I still need to figure out, I have an ok understanding of piping but I don't understand how you can create two streams in parallel yet
[16:42] <Viproz> oh if wa can just do it with a cat it's a lot simpler than I expected
[16:42] <dbrooke> so the tee command sends to both stdout for piping to the next thing on the command line and to a file, if the file is a fifo then just cat it to pipe into another chain
[16:43] <dbrooke> yeah
[16:45] <dbrooke> this is what I have on the bbb for the direwolf chain (albeit with my own ftee command) https://stuff.dbrooke.me.uk/sp-FPsCgT
[16:46] <Viproz> can 3 program read the same fifo at the same time ? I'm guessing no cause the two would pull things from the pipe and would not get all of the data ?
[16:47] <dbrooke> I think you'd need to tee to a separate fifo for each reader
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[16:48] <dbrooke> in my case above I have a funcube telemetry decoder reading the fifo and a scheduler which retunes the dongle for each predicted satellite pass
[16:49] <Viproz> I'm starting to think of a tee feeding a fifo read by a cat feeding into another fifo fith tee and doing something and so on to get as many programs running on the same data at a time, I wonder when the rpi 3 would explode from all of this :D
[16:50] <dbrooke> with a wider bandwidth sdr it should be possible to offset to a different frequency in each chain to allow simultaneous receive of both
[16:51] <dbrooke> well, sdr_rx | tee fifo1 | tee fifo2 | tee fifon ... | process one stream
[16:51] <dbrooke> cat fifo1 | process second stream
[16:52] <dbrooke> etc.
[16:52] <Viproz> yeah and if you just have 3 normal SDR running at 2.4 M -> 2M usable you have 6MHz of bandwidth usable so the whole spectrum of Radiosondes
[16:54] <Viproz> I had "sdr_rtl > fifo1" + "cat fifo1 | csdr tee fifo2 | myprogramstuff" + "cat fifo2 | csdr tee fifo3 | myprogramstuff" + "cat fifo3 | csdr tee fifo4 | myprogramstuff"
[16:54] <Viproz> in mind so that you can always add one at the end no matter how many you had planned
[16:54] <dbrooke> the aprs reception runs at about 25% cpu on the bbb which is a fair bit less powerful than a Pi3, though the funcube dongle is only 96kHz bandwidth I think so there's less data to process
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[17:01] <Viproz> Thanks for linking this, I guess I'm going to learn more signal processing in the next few hours !
[17:02] <dbrooke> have fun! 8-)
[17:04] <dbrooke> I've always been a bit of a fan of the unix cli and pipelines of (relatively) simple commands used together to get jobs done
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[17:08] <day> the amount of data these SDR's produce still boggles my mind
[17:14] <Ian_> Sounds like it's about to boggle a Pi3B owned by someone here pretty soon too :) feed it gently guys.
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[17:36] <dbrooke> They seem quite resilient, and surely everyone has at least one spare just in case
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[17:42] <jp__> hello, I try to understand how the diameter of the blue circle arround my tracker is defined ? can you help here ? Br,JP
[17:47] <dbrooke> it's the range at the horizon, green is at 5 degrees elevation if I remember right
[17:50] <jp__> hello, (for teh blue) is it like the max distance of the balloon we can expect at a certain altitude due to the curve of the earth ?
[17:52] <jp__> I mean the max distance a receiver can hear our balloon due to its altitude...
[17:58] <Viproz> dbrooke, csdr tee is spamming my console with "csdr tee: fwrite tee zero, next turn
[17:58] <Viproz> " does this sound familiar to you ?
[17:59] <Ian_> You remember correctly dbrooke
[17:59] <Viproz> jp__, yeah exactly, the largest circle is the distance at which the balloon is exactly on the horizon
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[18:03] <jp__> ok. but this is not the distance we've got hear ?
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[18:04] <dbrooke> Viproz: I've not used the csdr tee function as it wasn't available in the older version I used
[18:05] <dbrooke> jp__: with a good setup you should be able to hear it at the horizon
[18:05] <jp__> ok understood.thanks
[18:06] <Viproz> jp__, It's an indication, depending on the frequency you can hear further than the horizon (ground wave) otherwise the horizon is usually your limit
[18:07] <Viproz> okay well with simple tee it's working with 4 decoders at the same time, system seems to be at around 50% so I'm going to push a bit more :p
[18:09] <dbrooke> OK, simple tee will probably work if all fifos are being read but it will block and not output to its stdout if the fifo isn't read
[18:10] <dbrooke> it may also introduce jitter as the different read processes are scheduled and tee potentially blocks/unblocks (not sure about buffer sizes)
[18:11] <Viproz> csdr seemed to have the same behaviour, it blocked and didn't continue until something was reading the fifo. But if you don't block, isn't there a header problem, there is no header with the raw data ?
[18:15] <Viproz> 7 running and no crash yet, I need to wait for tonight RS to verify that it all works though, I don't have any recording of raw rtl_sdr output :/
[18:17] <dbrooke> I'm not sure there's ever a header, though I don't know how it synchronises to multi-byte data types
[18:19] <dbrooke> according to the documentation the reason for implementing the csdr tee function was so that it writes to both outputs even if one stops reading and that was the problem I had which caused me to write my ftee function to use with the older csdr version
[18:21] <dbrooke> I'll have a play with the newer version on my desktop system but at the moment it's compiling gcc fortran (for fftw) which takes a while
[18:22] <Ian_> viproz 7 decoder instances, I am suitably impressed.
[18:23] <Viproz> Ian_, it was only at 80% CPU max so I'll push it more when I have some actual data I can feed it like a 10-20min recording of rtl_sdr with a RS in it
[18:24] <Ian_> You can bet that I'll be watching.
[18:24] <Viproz> Actually it wouldn't be realtime but I can see how long it takes to decode the whole thing and compare it with the sample length
[18:25] <dbrooke> time for some food, maybe if I run a Pi like Viproz is I can use that to heat it 8-)
[18:26] <Viproz> Yeah the heating in my house is limited so I'm getting creative with a RPi 3 B+ :p, Bon appetit
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[21:23] <Darkside> Viproz: ok, the APRS 'error converting telemetry' one is a known issue that i havent got around to yet (should raise an issue on that). Not aure about not uploading correctly in the other case
[21:24] <Darkside> Viproz: the 5 pakt thing can be checked by running in debug mode, where it will show you all the received data in the main log
[21:25] <Darkside> Viproz: also im trying to avoid using csdr wherever possible. it's not nicely cross platform at the moment
[21:26] <Darkside> i was using it in wenet, but ended up diching it
[21:28] <Darkside> what im hoping is with the new signal processing chain we wont need to do any processing before feeding samples into the fsk demodulator
[21:29] <Darkside> well, we may possibly ned to do a single resampling operation for some SDRs, but for the RTLSDRs we shouldnt need to do anything
[21:34] <Darkside> I had "sdr_rtl > fifo1" + "cat fifo1 | csdr tee fifo2 |
[21:34] <Darkside> myprogramstuff" + "cat fifo2 | csdr tee fifo3 | myprogramstuff"
[21:34] <Darkside> + "cat fifo3 | csdr tee fifo4 | myprogramstuff"
[21:34] <Darkside> urgh
[21:34] <Darkside> also thats not how you add together SDRs :-)
[21:35] <Darkside> (if thats what you were trying)
[21:35] <Darkside> anyway, need to get ready for owrk
[21:35] <Darkside> work*
[21:35] <Darkside> cya
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[23:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PEPER-1 after 0315 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PEPER-1
[23:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PBLSSL-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PBLSSL-11
[23:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PC4L_MADHAB - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PC4L_MADHAB
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