highaltitude.log.20181129

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[00:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5PW_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5PW_chase
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[03:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VE5BNC-15 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE5BNC-15
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[08:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS18 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS18
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[10:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DG2FS-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DG2FS-1
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[11:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LODGE - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LODGE
[11:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[12:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03tracker1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=tracker1
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[14:51] <g8fjg> Lodge 434.650 50/380 8n2
[14:52] <PE2BZ> tnx info Ron !
[15:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 039A1RBZ - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=9A1RBZ
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[15:09] <g8fjg> afk
[15:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SSTAR0271 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SSTAR0271
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[15:18] <Bozzy> !flights
[15:18] <SpacenearUS> 03Bozzy: Current flights: 03EPSOM OUTREACH 10(b1df)
[15:19] <PE2BZ> Bozzy good aftenoon, Ron reported Epsom on 434.650 MHz
[15:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SSTAR0272 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SSTAR0272
[15:19] <PE2BZ> Which I can confirm
[15:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SSTAR0275 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SSTAR0275
[15:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SSTAR0274 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SSTAR0274
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[15:22] <Bozzy> Thanks. No signal here though
[15:30] <Bozzy> Just getting the signal now
[15:32] <PE2BZ> You see how I solve problems ? I just wait 9 minutes ;-)
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[15:42] <Bozzy> Hmm, just too much interference here :-(
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[16:05] <Bozzy> Finally got a decode
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[16:14] <Bozzy> Is Epsom frequency unstable?
[16:15] <HABISRAEL> Is Epsom 434.075 or 434.650?
[16:16] <Bozzy> 650
[16:16] <HABISRAEL> Ok
[16:20] <PE2BZ> I think the power does fluctuate a bit, the signal is quite stable on the frequency, but mark and space do shift a bit. But it´s -45 degrees out there ;-)
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[16:38] <Ian_> ??? with FSK the mark and space frequencies are indicative of the frequency stability . . . :-)
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[17:07] <Bozzy> Really struggling with Epson here
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[17:17] <Bozzy> POP
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[17:33] <jarod> https://twitter.com/ZonePhysics/status/1068144911881506816 cube sat :-)
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[17:54] <PE2BZ> Ian_ no, I was mentioning that the mark shifts itself by a few hz which is not unstable :-)
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[17:55] <Bozzy> PE2BZ, did you track that to 30,990 ft?
[17:55] <SIbot3> In real units: 30,990 ft = 9446 m
[17:56] <PE2BZ> No, that was PE1ANS
[17:56] <PE2BZ> I still receive but no decodes
[17:57] <Bozzy> Any idea the model of antenna he has or what yours is?
[17:57] <PE2BZ> it´s about 8 dB s/n now in fldigi
[17:57] <PE2BZ> He has 10 el yagi with filtered preamp, in a quite silent area, I have 7 elements and no pre-amp
[17:58] <Bozzy> Make/Model?
[17:58] <Bozzy> I only got about 8 complete decodes
[17:59] <PE2BZ> https://www.truckerswereld.nl/sirio-wy-400-10n/
[18:00] <PE2BZ> Mine is 6 el https://www.truckerswereld.nl/sirio-wy-400-6n/
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[18:00] <Bozzy> Many thanks, have bookmarked to have a read later
[18:01] <PE2BZ> Signal is gone now. Faint mark in the waterfall
[18:02] <Bozzy> I really struggled with that one, so much interference here, I find it easier with quicker rtty baud rates, les chance of interference for me on a packet
[18:03] <PE2BZ> I have 225 on 6 elements, PB0AHX 238 on 10 elements, he is 7 km away from me with same antenna height
[18:03] <PE2BZ> Can you paste a waterfall image of your receiver ? So I can see what kind of signals appear ?
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[18:04] <PE2BZ> Over here in the Netherlands the USM band 434 MHz is crowded with all kind of signals
[18:04] <PE2BZ> http://websdr.pe2bz.nl:8075/
[18:05] <Bozzy> This page cant be displayed
[18:05] <PE2BZ> is my web receiver (RTL dongle) at 27 m altitude at my qrl.
[18:05] <PE2BZ> You say What ??
[18:05] <PE2BZ> and the same for port 8074 ?
[18:06] <Bozzy> Your link not working
[18:06] <PE2BZ> Are you behind a proxy server ?
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[18:06] <PE2BZ> From my work I also cannot connect to those pages, all exept port 80 is blocked
[18:07] <Bozzy> Works now using chrome
[18:08] <Bozzy> I'll see if I can take a video of my waterfall and upload it somewhere for you to look at, would appreciate some advice to my interference.
[18:09] <PE2BZ> You can put the link over here, other radio amateurs from the UK might spot issues I do not see :-)
[18:10] <Bozzy> OK, will try and do it over the weekend, I have a webserver here so can put video on that with a link on here.
[18:11] <PE2BZ> Because of a lot of telemetry users over here at frequencies rounded at 25 kHz we tend to program our payloads at 12,5 kHz steps, like 434.3875 or 434.4125 and for the broadband modes (LoRa mode 3 needs 250 kHz) we switched to 432.700 MHz (with appoval for airborne use if output is lower as 25 mW )
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[18:13] <Bozzy> I have only been playing with all this for 2 weeks, so I have a lot to learn.
[18:14] <PE2BZ> Happy to see that you received at least some HAB´s till now :-) That´s good to keep pleasure in this hobby !
[18:14] <PE2BZ> You are using an RTl-SDR dongle ?
[18:15] <PE2BZ> Try to record some settings like gain and agc when you make a videoclip ?
[18:15] <Bozzy> I have one, but mainly use my SdrPlay, RSP2
[18:16] <Bozzy> And Watson W-30 antenna
[18:18] <Bozzy> I live about 30 miles away from this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Fylingdales someone suggested I could be getting interference from that so a directional antenna could help.
[18:18] <PE2BZ> RSP2 is even better as RTL-SDR but I find setting the gain right for the RSP (I have the 1a) a pita.
[18:19] <Bozzy> My RTL dongle is a NESDR Smart
[18:19] <PE2BZ> Could be, but I live 2 km from my work, there is a C2000 tower with 200 W @ 392 MHz, 1000 W @170 MHz (pager system) and Tetra for our company. I
[18:20] <PE2BZ> I use a RAF base with P25 trunking transmitter @ 404.525 as Tropo indicator for conditions on UHF :-)
[18:20] <Bozzy> Yea, I get a lot of interference from Pagers here too around 150 to 170
[18:21] <PE2BZ> Pagers around 150 interfere with 434 MHz signals ?
[18:22] <PE2BZ> Did you try if the same happens with the NESDR ?
[18:22] <Bozzy> No, they just mess with me trying to recieve noaa satellite around 137 :-)
[18:22] <Bozzy> No, not tried hab yet with the dongle, I will over the weekend
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[18:27] <PE2BZ> rtl-dongle with SDR-Sharp is most easy setup
[18:28] <Bozzy> Yup, I do like my dongle, but use RSP2 more as it can go down to short wave frequencies
[18:29] <Bozzy> But I will try hab with the dongle and see if any better
[18:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03mad-lora-rtty - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=mad-lora-rtty
[18:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Nl04E1694_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Nl04E1694_chase
[18:30] <Bozzy> Only problem with SDR sharp is that only very old versions will only work with rsp2
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[18:32] <PE2BZ> So, you should not use SDRSharp with the RSP2, not all gain settings are working / supported. I even guess that the support was for the older rsp1
[18:32] <PE2BZ> Did you try the ¨original RSP¨ software with the RSP2 ?
[18:33] <PE2BZ> SDRUno that would be ?
[18:33] <Bozzy> Not sure what you mean, I use SDRuno with my RSP2
[18:33] <Bozzy> Yes
[18:34] <PE2BZ> That software supports the right gain settings. But I did not use it for some time now (the rsp-1a is in the laptop bag for travelling) but if I remember well the gain settings are not actual gain, but a reduction of the maximum gain.
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[18:37] <Bozzy> Input level can be toggled between "gain" and "gain reduction", I have mine set at gain
[18:38] <PE2BZ> I am some versions behind I guess :-)
[18:38] <Bozzy> But I get your point, my default the software is set at gain reduction which did confuse me
[18:39] Action: PE2BZ has glued a 150 ohm resistor to the 32 MHz crystal of the RFM98W module and is heating is with 72 mW now
[18:39] <Bozzy> So toggled my install to gain
[18:40] <PE2BZ> Thats the best way in my opinion.
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[18:44] <Bozzy> SDRuno has other issues, the developers are working on them and issueing updates in stages, just a bugger that SDR# will not support SDRplay anymore
[18:46] <PE2BZ> Did you try the SDR-Console software ? If I remember right V3 supports the RSP2 without additional need to install stuff and has a satellite tracker for doppler correction.
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[18:53] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> SDR-Console thats a good sw, all I usee and ofc hd-sdr, both works well with sdr play and rtl:s
[18:53] Nick change: SA6BSS-Mike|2 -> SA6BSS-Mike
[18:54] <PE2BZ> Thanks Mike. I use V2 for server / client and V3 for RX at home. The server client in V2 even works for doppler correction in satellite mode.
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[19:00] <jp_> hello, i have created two payload documents for testing telemetry of 2 ballons being at the same location; can both be displzyed on the map
[19:00] <PE2BZ> Sure, if all parameters are OK they will appear as soon as you have GPS lock and upload enabled
[19:02] <PE2BZ> so, is your payload on ?
[19:02] <jp_> tracker 1 is ok, but cannot see tracker2 (I just created the payload document) - is there some delay usually ?
[19:03] <PE2BZ> My payloads usually appear within one minute. rtty or lora payload ?
[19:03] <PE2BZ> You are ¨tracker1¨ on the map ?
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[19:04] <jp_> tracker1 is on map, both are lora (cayenne LPP format) coming from the things of network server (using TTNHABhub bridge)
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[19:06] <PE2BZ> That means the problem could be in the TTN bridge / settings. The tracker displays the information from the bridge, there are no direct receivers for your payload. Did you try to look at the parser logfile on the habitat page to see if you appear with error messages ?
[19:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/
[19:06] <PE2BZ> tracker2 is on now ?
[19:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> CantExtractCallsign exception in simple_binary: CantExtractCallsign
[19:07] <jp_> ok i will check this first.
[19:07] <PE2BZ> 2018-11-29 19:06:44,201] INFO habitat.parser MainThread: All attempts to parse failed
[19:07] <PE2BZ> [2018-11-29 19:06:44,201] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: CantExtractCallsign exception in simple_binary: CantExtractCallsign
[19:07] <PE2BZ> [2018-11-29 19:06:44,201] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Exception in UKHAS main parse: ValueError: (field altitude): invalid literal for int() with base 10: '260.8'
[19:07] <PE2BZ> Sorry, Mike had more speed ;-)
[19:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> :)
[19:08] <jp_> does it mean altitude field is wrong ?
[19:09] <SA6BSS-Mike> you set intergear
[19:09] <jp_> could it be float instead ?
[19:09] <SA6BSS-Mike> but I guess as you have . it might be a float?
[19:10] <jp_> ok i will change this. thanks
[19:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> gl , we watching the map for tracker2 :)
[19:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03tracker2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=tracker2
[19:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> yayy !!
[19:11] Action: PE2BZ is renaming his maduino payload to Tracker2 just to confuse everyone
[19:11] <jp_> that's work now you're the best
[19:13] <PE2BZ> You fixed it yourself ;-)
[19:15] <jp_> we plan a launch with 5 ballons the same day/same place/same launching time, is it possible ?
[19:16] <PE2BZ> Sure !
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[19:16] <PE2BZ> Just a matter of enough volonteers :-)
[19:17] <PE2BZ> HE is more expensive as
[19:17] Action: PE2BZ forgot the waterstofgas word...
[19:18] <PE2BZ> hydrogen :-)
[19:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> I belive they had 23 balloon liftof last summer at one go
[19:19] <jp_> diffult to distinguish all of them on the ground, but when in fly , this will be more visible...i guess
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[19:31] <PE2BZ> Our max was 3 on one day. 2 failures and one good flight :-)
[19:31] <PE2BZ> Mike I ordered 2 Pico payloads from the USA for next year. APRS and now RTTY is added ;-)
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[19:41] Action: michal_f wants a pico too...
[19:41] <michal_f> I need to find some simple project, to learn some electronics
[19:42] <michal_f> I learned so much from PITS... I wish there was smth similar for arduino
[19:42] <PE2BZ> michal_f no problem :-) You want to solder yourself, or program ?
[19:42] <michal_f> all of ot ! :)
[19:43] <michal_f> of it^
[19:43] <PE2BZ> There are arduino trackers which can transmit rtty and lora with an RFM module
[19:43] <michal_f> winter is a nice time of year to tinker at your bench
[19:43] <PE2BZ> About 20 Euro hardware including GPS module
[19:44] <michal_f> is there any documentation so I can understand why and how it's build ?
[19:44] <michal_f> This educational side of things is important to me
[19:44] <PE2BZ> why ? Because you wanted to :-P
[19:44] <PE2BZ> One moment
[19:44] <michal_f> In PITS case you just connect wires... With arduino there's some more electronics which I know verry little about
[19:50] <PE2BZ> https://github.com/LoRaTracker/HAB2
[19:50] <PE2BZ> I might have a PCB left for that tracker
[19:51] <PE2BZ> Because I was very lazy after finding out that the Maduino board with 433 MHz RFM module was compatible with that software library :-)
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[19:53] <michal_f> thanks! bookmarked.
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[19:56] <michal_f> PE2BZ, have you seen improved spectrum in habdec ?
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[20:04] <PE2BZ> I did, looks better, but I changed some colours in the html to have white signals :-)
[20:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> PE2BZ: what radio tracker did you buy?
[20:13] <PE2BZ> http://gmigliarini.wixsite.com/wb8elk
[20:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok, thats abot the only oneavailable commercially
[20:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> to my knowledge
[20:17] <PE2BZ> I think I can agree to that. I have not the patience to get to this low weight myself
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[20:27] <PE2BZ> Now patiently await springtime :-)
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[20:28] <julien> hello
[20:29] <julien> everybody
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[20:29] <PE2BZ> Hi Julien aka Guest
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[20:29] <Guest98363> I started a HAB project and I'm looking for some information
[20:30] <Guest98363> Someone could help me ?
[20:30] <PE2BZ> Most would at least like to try, but commonly you paste your problem and any one with knowledge responds
[20:31] <Guest98363> ok
[20:32] <Guest98363> In tab embed tracker
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[20:32] <Guest98363> It is written "There are options to limit the visible vehicles to a specific callsign."
[20:33] <Guest98363> How can I enable this option?
[20:33] <Guest98363> Because in Vehicle filter nothing happen
[20:34] <PE2BZ> I used this one on my webpage:
[20:34] <PE2BZ> https://tracker.habhub.org/index.html?embed=1&hidelist=0&hidegraph=0&expandgraph=0&filter=BZPITS
[20:35] <PE2BZ> And indeed it now shows ¨no vehicles available¨
[20:36] <nmcc> ?
[20:36] <TT7> michal_f: I am currently working on a light weight tracker. I've described the design here if you want to have a look at an example. https://tt7hab.blogspot.com/2018/09/the-tt7b-tracker.html
[20:38] <Guest98363> ok I have to use the url available in preview of embedded
[20:40] <Guest98363> Good thank you
[20:43] <michal_f> TT7, thanks, also bookmarked. Though it's only APRS and I'm not licensed, but anyway will be usefull
[20:43] <nmcc> 9b3265b35537bd220d44f6cbc1b49b28
[20:46] <TT7> there should be a follow-up to the blog at some point. more details on the code and how the tracker works
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[21:57] <PE2BZ> TT7 I did a quick scan on your blog but it looks nice and well documented !
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[23:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[23:08] <michal_f> yeah, great blogpost, TT7. full of info and well written
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[23:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-11 after 0324 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-11
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[23:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE5BNC-15 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE5BNC-15
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[23:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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