highaltitude.log.20180906

[00:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[00:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1133789 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1133789
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[00:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M4343081 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M4343081
[00:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4020323 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4020323
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[02:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M4853347 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M4853347
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[02:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YERRA - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YERRA
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[04:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3920586 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3920586
[04:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P3320970 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P3320970
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[05:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0610819 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0610819
[05:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1730432 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1730432
[05:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1830253 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1830253
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[05:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1750907 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1750907
[05:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4420617 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4420617
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[07:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P3320967 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P3320967
[07:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P3250389 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P3250389
[08:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1730372 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1730372
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[09:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03REL_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=REL_chase
[09:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1750642 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1750642
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[10:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P3528019 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P3528019
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[10:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0610820 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0610820
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[11:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[11:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3730306 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3730306
[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3720018 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3720018
[11:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3920572 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3920572
[11:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_L3743017 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_L3743017
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[11:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2531380 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2531380
[11:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ATest_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ATest_chase
[11:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4840734 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4840734
[11:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4430103 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4430103
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[12:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4720330 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4720330
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[12:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-23 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-23
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[12:37] <testusername> Hi all, can anyone point me to what URL I should use to post payload telemetry?
[12:38] <testusername> For habhub, that is
[12:39] <Darkside> testusername: so there isn't a direct URL to do it
[12:39] <Darkside> you have to POST a json blob to habitat
[12:40] <Darkside> but its not that difficult to do - i have some python that'll do it
[12:40] <testusername> oh awesome, please can you link it?
[12:40] <testusername> I couldn't find any info on the wiki about protocols for uploading data
[12:40] <Darkside> https://github.com/projecthorus/horusbinary/blob/master/horusbinary.py#L61
[12:40] <Darkside> you're after the HabitatUploader class
[12:41] <Darkside> and you add your ascii sentences to it using the add() function
[12:41] <Darkside> its a queue'd uploader, so it'll handle net dropouts and other fun issues
[12:42] <testusername> Ok, thanks very much, will try to set up with it
[12:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M2253256 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M2253256
[12:43] <Darkside> so i take it you're using some kind of custom telemetry system?
[12:43] <testusername> Yeah, I'm doing a low budget LoRa system
[12:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2610078 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2610078
[12:44] <Darkside> ok
[12:44] <testusername> I've got the payload talking to the receiver, the last step is just sending the data to habitat
[12:44] <Darkside> well if you make your over-the-air format compatible with what daveake's stuff receives, you could use his lora gateway code
[12:45] <Darkside> but that is essentially sending ascii sentences over the air, which is a bit wasteful
[12:45] <daveake> We have habpack support now
[12:45] <daveake> thanks to craag
[12:46] <testusername> ok thanks
[12:46] <Darkside> daveake: that would get converted to an ASCII String before being uploaded to habitat though?
[12:46] <daveake> at that point yes indeed
[12:47] <Darkside> right
[12:47] <Darkside> and you're sending the whole callsign down in the binary frame?
[12:47] <daveake> yes
[12:47] <daveake> Still have the binary format too
[12:48] <daveake> I've only used that when I've been tight on timing - my networked balloon flight
[12:48] <daveake> I had to get the normal transmissions and repeated transmissions within 10% duty cycle
[12:48] <Darkside> oh yeah, your 10% suty cycle stuff
[12:48] <Darkside> all of my packets are fairly time sensitive
[12:49] <Darkside> as all the uplink communications to the cutdown payload follow a TDMA cycle
[12:49] <Darkside> telemetry packet can't be longer than ~800ms
[12:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4840079 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4840079
[13:02] <craag> you can send a 7-bit numeric id as callsign in habpack :P
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[13:08] <Darkside> craag: yeah but then we hit the same issue as i have with horusbinary - keeping a register of those IDs
[13:09] <craag> yeah :/
[13:09] <craag> '1900' callsign for my cornwall flight was sent as a 16-bit numeric field.
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[13:34] <KD4BFP> Question for Darkside et.al. Im having problems with signal distances on Lora. I have four PITS/Lora systems on 434MHz and have trouble getting packets beyond 20km distance.
[13:34] <KD4BFP> In most cases, the chase crew are 30-40km directly under a payload with Yagis etc. And that payload has a simple 1/4 wave inverted ground plane antenna.
[13:34] <KD4BFP> Daveake suggested that I ping you about ideas for payload antenna designs with a more vertical component to them.
[13:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-18038092 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-18038092
[13:35] <daveake> KD4BFP: I asked darkside earlier - the antenna he uses is a "turnstile" design
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[13:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1750860 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1750860
[13:40] <Darkside> yes, tht
[13:40] <Darkside> i purchased one off e-bay and modified it to suit my car roof racks
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[14:20] <KD4BFP> Thank you! That looks pretty cool. I'll give it a try
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[15:40] <testname_> Hi, Darkside, are you still here?
[15:44] <craag> He's probably asleep
[15:46] <testname_> Ok
[15:47] <testname_> Any chance you could answer a couple of questions?
[15:47] <craag> possibly, go ahead
[15:47] <craag> there's plenty of other people lurking here to who might chip in
[15:47] <testname_> Ok
[15:48] <testname_> I'm attempting to upload sentences from python to habitat at the moment
[15:48] <testname_> Am I correct in thinking that they should end up here: http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/ if uploaded successfully?
[15:50] <craag> yes
[15:50] <testname_> Right
[15:50] <craag> are you using http or couch interface?
[15:50] <testname_> http
[15:51] <testname_> So it's telling me I need a base 64 encoded sentence
[15:51] <craag> the http responses are often useful in the debugging
[15:51] <craag> ah
[15:51] <testname_> While the json doesn't seem to let me encode that
[15:51] <craag> I think it's an extra string field in the json
[15:51] <testname_> It comes up with a "'bytes' object is not json serialisable" error
[15:52] <testname_> What do you mean?
[15:52] <craag> it needs to be the base64 representation as a hex string I think
[15:52] <craag> one sec attempting to find some example code
[15:52] <testname_> ty
[15:53] <craag> darkside's own: https://github.com/projecthorus/horus_utils/blob/master/horuslib/habitat.py#L20-L39
[15:53] <testname_> Yeah ok so that's what I was basing mine off
[15:54] <craag> ah, I see
[15:54] <testname_> I'm getting the json serialising erro
[15:54] <testname_> *error
[15:54] <testname_> I think the only difference between the codes is python version
[15:54] <craag> are you using python3?
[15:54] <craag> yep
[15:54] <testname_> yeah
[15:54] <craag> yeah that's the change
[15:54] <craag> so you instead need to convert the bytes object to a hex string
[15:55] <craag> err sorry to a string
[15:55] <craag> not hex
[15:55] <craag> .. as it's base64
[15:56] <testname_> wait sorry just so I'm sure I understand:
[15:56] <testname_> It's currently encoding to base 64 in python 2.7
[15:56] <testname_> I need to convert it to a string instead?
[15:57] <craag> yeah, try b64encode(sentence).decode()
[15:58] <testname_> Ooh ok
[15:58] <craag> it 'decodes' the bytes to a string
[15:59] <testname_> Right, but the string would make to sense to a human reader
[15:59] <testname_> Ok thanks that's getting me 201's
[15:59] <craag> '$$HEllo World\n'
[16:00] <daveake> It works :)
[16:00] <daveake> Surprisingly
[16:00] <daveake> (Python waggling LoRa chip carrier frequency)
[16:00] <daveake> (to do RTTY)
[16:01] <daveake> Not sure it'll manage 300 baud mind
[16:01] <testname_> Welp now it's saying on the log it can't parse :) ah well I'll try to figure this one out on my own first
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[16:01] <craag> "CantExtractCallsign"
[16:02] <craag> it's not a ukhas format string, has no checksum, etc. so it's confused.
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[16:04] <WillDuckworth> nice one @daveake
[16:06] <daveake> It's only a test really ... I'll port the code over to my Arduino tracker soon
[16:07] <WillDuckworth> one module to rule them all?
[16:07] <daveake> Well it does save on hardware, but more importantly only need 1 payload antenna
[16:07] <mattbrejza> ive done rtty on the lora IC by putting it into FSK mode in the past, but you may need to duplicate bits to get teh lower baud rates
[16:08] <daveake> Yeah not tried that option yet
[16:08] <mattbrejza> https://github.com/mattbrejza/lora-tracker/blob/master/liblora/radio.c
[16:09] <daveake> cheers will take a look at that
[16:09] <mattbrejza> thats flown quite a few times
[16:19] <daveake> tvm
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[16:41] <testname_> It's working properly now; thanks for all the help
[16:42] <testname_> Apparently there's a test section on the map that my payload should be appearing on even if I don't have a flight document, can someone point me to that?
[16:44] <daveake> No, there's no test section, and the flight doc isn't needed to get on the map
[16:45] <testname_> so it should be appearing immediately?
[16:48] <testname_> ah, there are validation errors
[16:48] <testname_> nvm
[17:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BW1_LORA - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BW1_LORA
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0610826 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0610826
[17:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BW2_LORA - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BW2_LORA
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[17:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BW3_LORA - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BW3_LORA
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[17:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3650004 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3650004
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[17:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4410575 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4410575
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[19:55] <URMC> 02535c2be9d9e46dd24ff89392315771
[19:56] <daveake> Tey that in #habhub please
[19:56] <daveake> Try
[19:56] <URMC> Oops, sorry, wrong chat!
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[21:37] <michal_f_home> mosquito_killed++;
[21:38] <michal_f_home> daveake: I hope you succeed with LoRa/RTTY thing.... that would be so nice to have one radio and one antenna on payload
[21:38] <daveake> That'll be on AVR first
[21:39] <daveake> I'll work on it more tomorrow
[21:40] <michal_f_home> no hurry. with my tempo I'll fly next thing in 2030 or later :]
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[21:47] <daveake> :)
[21:47] <daveake> Well I have to fly it first anyway!
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[22:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STROMLO_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STROMLO_chase
[22:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-17031244 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-17031244
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[22:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2531362 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2531362
[23:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[23:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1750726 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1750726
[23:17] Nick change: BitEvil -> SpeedEvil
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3910261 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3910261
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3920570 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3920570
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2430286 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2430286
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[23:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3710994 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3710994
[23:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3710754 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3710754
[23:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_L4814091 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_L4814091
[23:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0520792 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0520792
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[23:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1620063 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1620063
[23:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4441083 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4441083
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