highaltitude.log.20180905

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[00:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4010494 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4010494
[00:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1033714 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1033714
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[01:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-19 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-19
[01:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M4853353 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M4853353
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[02:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1143073 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1143073
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[02:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DC2EH-11 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-11
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[03:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2023306 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2023306
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[04:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P3250494 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P3250494
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[04:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P3510823 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P3510823
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[04:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M2023418 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M2023418
[04:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4840149 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4840149
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[05:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0521018 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0521018
[05:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1620061 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1620061
[05:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1750646 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1750646
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[05:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4441082 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4441082
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[07:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD2KPZ-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2KPZ-11
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[08:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD2KPZ-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2KPZ-12
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[09:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SITS-4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITS-4
[09:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1750908 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1750908
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[09:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SITS-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITS-3
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[10:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD2KPZ_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2KPZ_chase
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[10:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1830078 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1830078
[10:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2610059 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2610059
[11:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0521043 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0521043
[11:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F5APQ_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F5APQ_chase
[11:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3920575 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3920575
[11:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3730302 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3730302
[11:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3710652 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3710652
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[11:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4830307 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4830307
[11:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_L4814395 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_L4814395
[11:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2531133 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2531133
[11:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4441085 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4441085
[11:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1710372 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1710372
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[12:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M4010160 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M4010160
[12:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS18 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS18
[12:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-23 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-23
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[12:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4510111 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4510111
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[14:06] <michal_f> hi all.
[14:07] <michal_f> can anyone confirm that CRC check for HAB sentence is always 4 characters in length ?
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[14:08] <michal_f> that part after star * :]
[14:09] <fsphil> 2 or 4
[14:09] <fsphil> but nobody uses 2 any more
[14:10] <michal_f> right! thanks
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[14:43] <daveake> Someone uses it ... whoever it was that changed my XX payload doc :/
[15:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RS41C after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS41C
[15:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EGDCSONDE - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EGDCSONDE
[15:22] <tweetBot> @jamescoxon: @AJ_FI @elakdawalla Great use of @fsphil SSDV (originally developed for high altitude balloons in the UK) #ukhas
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[15:31] <daveake> WB tweetbot :)
[15:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N0ESE-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N0ESE-11
[15:35] <craag> wow, I honestly thought it was totally broken
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[15:43] <daveake> So did I :)
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[16:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS41B - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS41B
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[16:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0610822 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0610822
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[17:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3710751 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3710751
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[17:37] <fsphil> ah jcoxon, not heard from him in ages
[17:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4450067 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4450067
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[17:58] <wb4apr> Went to HABHUB but i am brand new. Are these WHSPR ballons? How to tell?
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[18:08] <daveake> They are radiosondes
[18:09] <daveake> There's a program "auto_rx" which uses an SDR to scan for sondes, decode when it finds one, and upload the position etc to habhub
[18:10] <chris_99> ooh that sounds cool. Could it do the same thing for RTTY balloons too?
[18:12] <superkuh> Wow. Neat program. Everyone talks about using rtl_power for peak detect then demodulation but this actually does it.
[18:13] <mfa298> chris_99: it's been talked about for rtty but there's a lot of variables for a rtty transmission which makes it harder
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[18:13] <chris_99> ahh, out of interest, what are the variables for rtty, could it not 'bruteforce' certain bauds, or ..?
[18:15] <michal_f_home> most important are baud speed, and ascii bits (like 8n2)
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[18:16] <chris_99> cheers
[18:16] <michal_f_home> some(most?) decoders need also frequency shift (peak separation), but this could be deduced from signal
[18:17] <mfa298> shift could be hard if there are other spurious signals that might confuse things.
[18:17] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> wb4apr: only wspr balloon up now is U3B-23
[18:22] <wb4apr> OK, U3B-23 is WSPR, how can you tell? thanks
[18:23] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> Im ben around for some time :) and I know the gus (Dave) sent it up
[18:23] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> it calls in on 20 and 30m under VE3KCL
[18:25] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> https://www.qrp-labs.com/flights.html
[18:34] <michal_f_home> What is the ratio of RTTY/LoRa flights in UK ? Has LoRa taken over ?
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[18:38] <daveake> I think most LoRa flights use RTTY also
[18:39] <michal_f_home> two antennas ?
[18:39] <daveake> Yes
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[18:40] <michal_f_home> has anybody managed to emit RTTY with lora chip itself ?
[18:40] <daveake> I always use LoRa, as it's so much easier to set up in the chase car, but often fly RTTY as well to make the RTTY receivers feel included :)
[18:40] <daveake> Yes, a couple of people have
[18:40] <daveake> I've not but it's on my todo list
[18:40] <michal_f_home> good news :)
[18:41] <michal_f_home> Here in Poland, LoRa is not that popular yet
[18:41] <chris_99> What is the advantage of lora out of interest, apart from iirc it has a 'mesh type network of receivers i think?)
[18:41] <michal_f_home> most guys are repurposing rs-41 sondes to send rtty
[18:41] <daveake> Well, receiving is a lot easier ... no need to mess with dl-fldigi for a start
[18:41] <daveake> Also makes uplinks very easy
[18:41] <chris_99> ah, as in you just use a lora chip to recive and it spits out digital data?
[18:42] <michal_f_home> and speaking of RTTY, my decoder is slowly improving, if anybody cares... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-5Ii4ME3Mg&feature=youtu.be
[18:43] <daveake> chris_99: Yes
[18:43] <daveake> It waggles a pin to say "packet received" then you pull off the bytes
[18:43] <chris_99> interesting, is it not possible to do that with any rtty chips?
[18:44] <daveake> never met an rtty chip!
[18:44] <chris_99> sorry i mean like the fsk chips
[18:44] <daveake> Tx only AFAIK
[18:44] <daveake> Well, LoRa chips do have an FSK mode but range is a lot less
[18:44] <daveake> So I lied
[18:45] <chris_99> heh, why is the range less out of interest?
[18:45] <daveake> All the LoRa special stuff makes it more sensitive than in FSK mode
[18:45] <chris_99> ah interesting, i thought with fsk you would be able to get similar distances to the css thing
[18:46] <chris_99> for a similar poweer output
[18:46] <michal_f_home> afair, LoRa's native FSK has a lot higher baud rate than what is typical for HAB (max 300bd). Not sure if Im right
[18:49] <daveake> It certainly has some much fast options than it does for LoRa, but I don't recall how slow it can go
[18:49] <daveake> faster
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[18:51] <chris_99> am i wrong wrt FSK/CSS out of interest, if so, i'd be very curious as to why? Or did you mean the it maybe alters the gain or something in lora mode?
[18:53] <craag> win 31
[18:53] <craag> well I might as well weigh in then
[18:54] <craag> It is possible to get similar performance out of some of the fsk transceiver chips, however lora has some advantages
[18:55] <craag> such as not being as critical on frequency accuracy, and so not requiring a (comparatively) expensive tcxo at each end
[18:56] <craag> it's a bit weird that the lora chip specifically does FSK worse than the cheaper FSK-only chip in the same product line, that is something I've also seen.
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[18:58] <chris_99> heh, that's interesting, thanks a lot for your response! Are there particular FSK chips you would recommend?
[18:58] <craag> at the cheap end we use the hoperf RFM69 for UKHASnet, our simple 868MHz mesh network.
[18:59] <craag> you can better performance out of an si446x with careful tuning I believe
[19:01] <chris_99> ah interesting, i think i bought some silabs modules a while ago, i'll have to investigate which ones i got
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[20:40] <Swisscheese66> Hi, I try to find the Android App "Hab Modem and Tracker", which I unfortunately removed unintentionnally. Its not available in the Play Store of my Samsung Tablett. Any hints/links on this? Best regards
[20:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS18 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS18
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[21:01] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> Swisscheese66: https://m.apkpure.com/hab-modem-and-tracker/com.brejza.matt.habmodem/download?from=details
[21:02] Nick change: SA6BSS-Mike|2 -> SA6BSS-Mike
[21:07] <Swisscheese66> Thanks to SA6BSS-MIKE from Switzerland quit
[21:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> :)
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[23:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2610076 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2610076
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[23:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4430108 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4430108
[23:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0520782 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0520782
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