highaltitude.log.20180820

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[00:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2430434 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2430434
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[00:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2240638 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2240638
[01:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1020544 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1020544
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[04:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-18021556 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-18021556
[04:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P3150222 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P3150222
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[04:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P3131009 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P3131009
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[04:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2040419 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2040419
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[05:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0950809 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0950809
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[05:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1750868 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1750868
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[05:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2240639 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2240639
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[05:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4420318 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4420318
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[06:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HG8LXIR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HG8LXIR
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[06:43] <PE2BZ> Meet Transavia TRA4J at 2390 m flight altitude, with the Pi Zero camera at 2890 m altitude https://www.dropbox.com/s/snf860fovb96jcj/11_20_03.JPG?dl=0
[06:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-18021590 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-18021590
[07:20] <fsphil> nice
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[07:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1751088 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1751088
[07:20] <fsphil> wonder if the pilots noticed it
[07:21] <SA6BSS-Mike> thats a nic shoot!
[07:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS17 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS17
[07:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BSS18 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS18
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[07:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P3150572 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P3150572
[07:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2120396 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2120396
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[08:08] <AndyEsser> the conference go?
[08:09] <AndyEsser> how did the conference go*
[08:10] <fsphil> it did indeed go
[08:11] <fsphil> all good. interesting talks, crisps, got to launch a balloon from a (small) airport
[08:11] <fsphil> there was cake, but it was a lie
[08:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P3131010 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P3131010
[08:13] <Darkside> hah
[08:13] <Darkside> becauase you never got to eat it?
[08:13] <Darkside> or was it fake
[08:14] <fsphil> was a fake one, it got launched on the balloon
[08:15] <fsphil> it was the discovery of helium's birthday
[08:15] <fsphil> 150 years
[08:15] <fsphil> there where a few sondes too: https://i.imgur.com/BKfeS3U.jpg
[08:16] <Darkside> SO I HEARD
[08:16] <Darkside> whoops
[08:17] <Darkside> now you can run 4FSK
[08:17] <Darkside> but laggy atm, im on a plane
[08:17] <fsphil> nice
[08:18] <fsphil> is the 4FSK data easy to detect? it would be neat to have something like the sonde decoder that just scans all the time
[08:20] <Darkside> hrm
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[08:20] <Darkside> if you tweak the frequency acquisition range on the fsk demod, maybe
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[08:21] <Darkside> you could have it dwell on chunks of spectrum, and attempt to demod packets
[08:21] <Darkside> if you were smart enough it, you could possibly do something like channelising the output of a RTLSDR or sme other IQ source into many overlapping SSB channels, and run all of those through the decoder
[08:22] <Darkside> but that'd blow through CPU i expect
[08:23] <Darkside> the danger woul db ethings like multiple signals within one channel output
[08:23] <Darkside> or other strong interfers which may mess up acquisition
[08:24] <fsphil> <unique word> = 0x2424
[08:24] <fsphil> arg
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[08:24] <fsphil> does the unique word get scrambled and interleaved?
[08:24] <Darkside> hrm
[08:24] <Darkside> no i don tthink so
[08:25] <fsphil> if there was some fixed code it could look for, it would be easier
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[08:25] <fsphil> just look for peaks, similar to the sonde tracker
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[08:25] <fsphil> monitor each peak for a while, see if the unique word appears
[08:25] <Darkside> could look to see if freq aquisition returns decent values
[08:25] <Darkside> or if the SNR looks ok
[08:25] <Darkside> you can grab the SNR out of the modem
[08:26] <Darkside> could just let the demod run over a bit of spectrum for a few seconds, an dthreshold based on SNR
[08:26] <Darkside> issue is, the modem works down to -2db SNR or something
[08:27] <AndyEsser> don't make it so good :P
[08:27] <Darkside> another option could be a calling mode on a known frequency
[08:27] <Darkside> like whats been done with lora
[08:27] <fsphil> the payload ID thing seems impractical
[08:27] <Darkside> oh yeah thts just a stsrt
[08:27] <fsphil> ah
[08:27] <Darkside> and will be hard to organise when it gets used more
[08:27] <Darkside> but i didnt want to waste space on a full callsign
[08:27] <fsphil> yeah, you don't wanna be doing that full time
[08:28] <Darkside> could make it 2 bytes and have some web service that allocates them
[08:28] <fsphil> or have the payload transmit it at a lower frequency
[08:28] <fsphil> once a minute or something
[08:28] <Darkside> a good next step in the modem development would be to mak eit more generic
[08:29] <Darkside> move to 32 byte packets
[08:29] <Darkside> or maybe 64
[08:29] <Darkside> IMO 32 bytes should be enough for most things
[08:30] <Darkside> again, theres ways you could make it very fancy
[08:30] <Darkside> flag in a packet header which says there's another 32 bytes coming up
[08:30] <Darkside> or whatever
[08:30] <Darkside> but this is all lots of work
[08:30] <fsphil> different unique word for longer packets maybe
[08:30] <Darkside> yeah perhaps
[08:30] <fsphil> is the preamble necessary?
[08:30] <Darkside> actually thats not that bad an idea
[08:31] <Darkside> not if you transmit continuously
[08:31] <Darkside> i.e. no gaps between packets, or just sending idle symbols if you have no data
[08:31] <Darkside> the preamble was to let the frequency est sync up
[08:31] <Darkside> in my RS41 code i have a 'continuous' mode, where if theres no data in the buffer to send, it just continuously increments the symbol number on each symbol
[08:31] <fsphil> I'd love to know how the frequency estimator works, but I suspect I wouldn't understand it
[08:32] <Darkside> ask drowe67 in #freedv
[08:32] <fsphil> frequency estimation for dummies
[08:32] <Darkside> i think with som esimple changes it could be made more useful
[08:32] <Darkside> move to 32 byte packets to start with
[08:32] <Darkside> figure out a better payload ID system
[08:33] <Darkside> make a cleaner GUI
[08:33] <Darkside> also davids FSK demod will decode RTTY too
[08:33] <Darkside> and is better than dl-fldigi at it
[08:33] <Darkside> but it would be best if we can get rid of RTTY
[08:34] <Darkside> no FEC makes mark a sad person
[08:34] <Darkside> bbl, food
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[08:58] <AndyEsser> good lord running my demod rinses my CPU....
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[09:00] <AndyEsser> https://imgur.com/a/0bv7GTc
[09:00] <AndyEsser> :D
[09:01] <AndyEsser> on the plus side.... I FOUND MY AIRSPY
[09:01] <AndyEsser> and my STM32F4 disco board
[09:01] <AndyEsser> and my Bosch IMU on breadboard
[09:02] <vaizki> are you demodulating rtty at 1.25 cpus? :)
[09:02] <AndyEsser> not even demodulating....
[09:02] <AndyEsser> just doing FFT
[09:04] <vaizki> reimplementing or reinventing the wheel
[09:04] <vaizki> which one today? :)
[09:04] <AndyEsser> there's a reason my company name is Zero Dependecy :P
[09:04] <AndyEsser> Dependency*
[09:04] <AndyEsser> even.... stupid keyboard
[09:08] <Darkside> yes, lets all code more demodulators that aren't tested
[09:09] <Darkside> at least do some BER vs Eb/N0 testing on it to be sure its performing as it should
[09:09] <Darkside> i think david's has somethign like 0.5dB implementation loss
[09:16] <vaizki> AndyEsser, your OS looks remarkably similar to Windows.. does your CPU use x86 instruction set too?
[09:29] <daveake> AndyEsser: Don't blame the keyboard; make your own :)
[09:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3350293 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3350293
[09:31] <fsphil> Primitive Technology, the software dev version
[09:32] <fsphil> you have some sticks and mud, build a CPU
[09:33] <fsphil> probably could do some basic logic with flowing water...
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[10:09] <PE2BZ> If someone is interested in a zip file ( 1 Gigabyte approx) with all the full resolution photo┬┤s (including the trip back, sorry) they are on http://37.72.97.164/~pe2bz/20180818/18_08_18.zip
[10:10] <mattbrejza> youre probably better off putting them on flickr/google photos etc
[10:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1050257 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1050257
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[10:39] <PB0AHX-Herman> !flights
[10:39] <SpacenearUS> 03PB0AHX-Herman: Current flights: 03Middlewich HS August Launch 10(1bd1), 03Tim Beak 2018 10(055a)
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[10:45] <AndyEsser> har di har.....
[10:47] <AndyEsser> apologies for being interested in how something works and learning :(
[10:47] <AndyEsser> vaizki: anyway - it's OS X not Windows :P
[10:47] <AndyEsser> snide comment regardless :P
[10:50] <fsphil> lol
[10:53] <AndyEsser> but on a "related" note... yes _my_ OS does use the x86 instruction set :P
[10:53] <AndyEsser> but doesn't really do much atm except print some chars to the screen :P
[10:53] <fsphil> that's more than mine
[10:54] <AndyEsser> can't find any of the screenshots atm :(
[10:55] <AndyEsser> it's been 2 years since I worked on it - and don't currently have access to the git server that it's all stored on
[10:55] <AndyEsser> due to an small faux pas with SSH keys :D
[10:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0950818 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0950818
[11:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2050643 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2050643
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[11:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1110155 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1110155
[11:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3820176 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3820176
[11:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[11:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3820008 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3820008
[11:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4010748 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4010748
[11:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4510098 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4510098
[11:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_L2823778 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_L2823778
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[11:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4420569 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4420569
[11:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0640390 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0640390
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[12:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1720174 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1720174
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[12:10] <tjanos> Hello, good afternoon
[12:11] <tjanos> I volud like to approve a filgh doc, but I dont able to join the habhub channel
[12:12] <tjanos> I would
[12:13] <tjanos> Can somebody to help me?
[12:13] <Darkside> sure
[12:13] <Darkside> im not sure why you cant join, you might need to register a nick
[12:13] <Darkside> but for now, past the flight doc id in here
[12:13] <Darkside> and i can have a look
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[12:15] <tjanos> How can I reister? I try to use the Connect web page on this link: https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=habhub
[12:16] <Darkside> just paste the flight doc id in here please
[12:16] <tjanos> but I dont have access to the Xhabhub channel
[12:16] <tjanos> Ok thaneks...
[12:16] <tjanos> ID: 77f60d3318b0a0b920fbdc1e15c7d0ac
[12:17] <tjanos> this is aplaned flght on 23 aug by our collegues
[12:17] <Darkside> er
[12:17] <Darkside> thats a paylaod foc
[12:17] <Darkside> doc
[12:17] <Darkside> not a flight doc
[12:17] <tjanos> flight doc: 9d4c7ddf99f088fc5f736ad030be5dc0
[12:18] <Darkside> so there are two payloads attached to that flight doc
[12:18] <Darkside> and the second payload has not been tested
[12:19] <tjanos> I didnot check it carefully, maybe thay want to use the tested payload
[12:19] <Darkside> if the second payload is not needed that i can approve it
[12:19] <Darkside> the other one was seen 5 hours ago
[12:19] <Darkside> so thats ok
[12:19] <Darkside> anyway, i'v approved it
[12:20] <tjanos> Mark, nmany thanks. I am at hollyday, may internet connections is very limited now
[12:21] <tjanos> Thanks a lot, good by!
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[12:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ZBR007 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZBR007
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[13:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2240641 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2240641
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[13:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Thanos2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Thanos2
[13:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Thanos1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Thanos1
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[16:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-14 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-14
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[17:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3640219 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3640219
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[17:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2240640 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2240640
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[17:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4430210 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4430210
[17:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0630452 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0630452
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[18:52] <PE2BZ> Mike-SA6BSS wspr on 20 and 30 mtr again ?
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[20:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_J0523524 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_J0523524
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[20:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M2933072 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M2933072
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[20:50] <SA6BSS-Mike> PE2BZ: just testing it on 20m wspr
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[21:00] <David-SM0ULC> evening
[21:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> hi
[21:08] <fsphil> ahoy
[21:18] <David-SM0ULC> playing a bit with the satnogs software. they have really made it smooth. installing via ansible etc.
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[22:10] <Astrobiologist_> hello?
[22:10] <Astrobiologist_> hello there
[22:17] <fsphil> hullo
[22:27] <Astrobiologist_> ah I see that only Astrobiologist_ works, not Astrobiologist on my phone
[22:27] <Astrobiologist_> So basically the web interface to IRC on the UKHAS site includes captcha authentication etc so it knows I am not a spambot?
[22:28] <fsphil> the webchat is excluded from the moderation
[22:28] <fsphil> everyone else needs to be identified to services to talk
[22:28] <Astrobiologist_> thanks fsphil, it is basically the only thing that works for me now
[22:29] <fsphil> if you login to nickserv you'll be fine
[22:29] <fsphil> or alternativly, https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl
[22:30] <fsphil> * alternatively
[22:31] <Astrobiologist_> none of my IRC apps is listed I'm afraid
[22:31] <Astrobiologist_> What is the syntax for /msg NickServ please?
[22:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-17031145 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-17031145
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[22:34] <fsphil> see https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration
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[22:40] <Astrobiologist> hello
[22:40] <Astrobiologist_> hello there
[22:40] <Astrobiologist> well that's a relief
[22:40] <Astrobiologist_> albeit I have accidentally registered twice, but now I can hold conversations with myself
[22:41] <Astrobiologist_> what's an underscore between friends?
[22:42] <Astrobiologist> thanks fsphil, is this coming through?
[22:43] <fsphil> copy, over
[22:44] <Astrobiologist> well that's a relief, many thanks
[22:44] <Astrobiologist> in other news....
[22:44] <Astrobiologist> did you know that you can purchase copper impregnated epoxy resin for antifouling coatings on boa?ts
[22:45] <Astrobiologist> what would happen if I painted a balloon with that?
[22:45] <fsphil> sounds heavy
[22:46] <Astrobiologist> Yep, 2kg of copper per litre
[22:47] <Astrobiologist> but a very thin coat might do
[22:47] <Astrobiologist> straight on the balloon or on an outer canopy
[22:47] <Astrobiologist> very thin balsa perhaps
[22:47] <Astrobiologist> it can be sprayed
[22:47] <Astrobiologist> does epoxy dissolve latex?
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[22:48] <fsphil> dunno. not up on materials
[22:49] <fsphil> there's an easy way to find out though :)
[22:49] <Astrobiologist> yes, Steve even sent me some dud balloons for coating tests once
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[22:56] <Astrobiologist> amazing stuff really, you can paint it straight on to fibreglass or wood
[22:56] <Astrobiologist> so anything with a slightly porous finish I suppose
[22:56] <Astrobiologist> so maybe latex too
[22:58] <fsphil> it might not stretch well with the latex
[23:00] <Astrobiologist> well then I have a superpressure latex balloon
[23:01] <Astrobiologist> which might float but with a big payload
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[23:01] <Astrobiologist> that was my evil twin
[23:01] <Astrobiologist> I am still here
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[23:05] <Astrobiologist> but I guess it is late and I should join my evil underscored twin
[23:05] <Astrobiologist> I will start obsessing about copper antifouling paint again tomorrow
[23:05] <fsphil> lol
[23:05] <fsphil> need sleep too
[23:05] <fsphil> nite
[23:05] <Astrobiologist> nite nite for now
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[23:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[23:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1110392 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1110392
[23:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3650249 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3650249
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[23:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3810491 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3810491
[23:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2430435 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2430435
[23:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N0750727 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N0750727
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[23:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3910639 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3910639
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[23:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2620751 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2620751
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[23:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_L2753022 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_L2753022
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[23:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1620021 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1620021
[23:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1353105 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1353105
[23:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4430221 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4430221
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