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[07:10] <AndyEsser> 72% on my latest OU assignment, despite really dodgy marking :(
[07:10] <AndyEsser> ah well, only needed to get 40% - I'll lie
[07:10] <AndyEsser> live*
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[07:21] <SA6BSS-Mike> ta2mun just launched a aprs tracker with a custom balloon . https://picoballoon.ist/2018/08/14/pbf-13/#more-644
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[08:13] <AndyEsser> woo - new lab manager have confirmed storage of gas cylinders within the lab is not a problem, nor is there a charge associated if I choose to store the cylinders in the dedicated chemical storage building outside :D
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[08:16] <edmoore> there will likely be a rental charge from supplier AndyEsser
[08:19] <AndyEsser> edmoore: yep, aware of that - just wanted to make sure I could even have the in the lab before ordering anything :D
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[08:26] <AndyEsser> https://imgur.com/a/sGdP25H
[08:26] <AndyEsser> just a much nicer space to work in :D for both my usual software stuff - and the future hardware-y stuff I'd like to get involved in
[08:30] <fsphil> the exterior has got a bit of a 70s sci-fi vibe to it
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[08:30] <AndyEsser> haha
[08:31] <AndyEsser> https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPO5pjTD-D9JeSdMAVE6YupMpEGnT4uQPAd7U_258q5z5qV3TK4SbzraTuDbAilCw?key=WjlfSU9udFhWaVJYNDVvQ2o0NHRzM0ZsM004dXJn
[08:32] <bertrik> i only recognise the word 'araf', vaguely
[08:33] <AndyEsser> araf = slow
[08:34] <fsphil> ah, they even use a made up sci-fi alien language ;)
[08:35] <AndyEsser> I'll pass that on to them when I'm next there :P
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[08:54] <Cheeseman> Hellote
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[08:54] <gonzo_> that building looks very 1970's
[08:55] <Cheeseman> Needs a texture upgrade?
[08:56] <gonzo_> (google translate will do welsh! When I found that I strated leaving inlone commenting in welsh, just to get my own back on the french lot here who comment (and more annoyingly use french for var names, so you can;y read the code))
[08:57] <Cheeseman> Variable names don't have to make sense, but it's handy when they do
[08:58] <Cheeseman> Honestly I was a little annoyed that I couldn't use numbers as variable names but I get why that's a dumb idea
[08:58] <fsphil> that would be horrific
[08:58] <Cheeseman> lol
[08:58] <Cheeseman> I tried to do it
[08:58] <fsphil> to be honest, you probably can with unicode
[08:59] <bertrik> try this for fun ÝlqP yP›Žo
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[09:00] <Cheeseman> Ok, using characters that aren't on one's keyboard is pretty impractical
[09:01] <Cheeseman> Anybody a Skyrim fan?
[09:01] <Cheeseman> I'm preparing my computer for Skyrim VR :D
[09:03] <Cheeseman> Will be upgrading video from a GTX 560 to a GTX 1070 in 24 hours
[09:03] <Cheeseman> assuming it arrives when I paid for it to arrive
[09:04] <gonzo_> having quite wordy var/fn names makes code easy to read, self documenting
[09:05] <Cheeseman> I usually only worry about using good names when I'm planning to share a piece of code
[09:05] <Cheeseman> the rest is more or less bedroom floor lol
[09:06] <Cheeseman> You know, the part of your life you don't want strangers to see lol
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[09:07] <Cheeseman> Probably don't have to tell you that, you guys have seen some of my code already lol
[09:09] <chris_99> i was just reading about a new Nvidia gf card with 48GB+ ram iirc, for raytracing
[09:09] <bertrik> I try to make all of my code clean, e.g. reasonable names, no compiler warnings, etc. But it doesn't have to be perfect the first time.
[09:10] <Cheeseman> Chris, are you talking about that $8,000 one?
[09:11] <Cheeseman> Just reaffirms there are people out there with more money than sense..
[09:13] <Cheeseman> I mean I realize I was talking about paying the same amount for a satelite kit AND a ride to low earth orbit for it.. But that's a lot more than what you're going to get out of a graphics adapter
[09:14] <chris_99> heh yeah it was some crazy price
[09:14] <Cheeseman> Pretty dumb
[09:15] <Cheeseman> I think $440 with a $20 rebate is high for a 1070 but I realize that's inflated by all of the damn data miners and that the price isn't likely to go down any time soon
[09:15] <chris_99> i don't know if it's more designed for film makers to test render maybe
[09:15] <Cheeseman> You can order lots of 6, 8, 10, 20 of the same video card now because of it
[09:16] <Cheeseman> Normal people don't buy 10 video cards at a time lol
[09:16] <chris_99> heh
[09:17] <Cheeseman> Anyway I'm excited, going to upgrade my ram and probably processor too, Hopefully prices have come down a bit and some bugs have been fixed
[09:17] <chris_99> nice
[09:17] <Cheeseman> Then I'll order the Oculus Rift
[09:17] <Cheeseman> And nerd out for a while
[09:17] <Cheeseman> probably be late to work a lot for a bit..
[09:18] <chris_99> oh cool, i've only played with the goggles you put a phone in heh, but even with that, it seemed pretty decent graphics wise
[09:19] <Cheeseman> Yeah, I watched a few gameplay vids for Skyrim VR and was like "I need this"
[09:19] <Cheeseman> Nee.
[09:19] <Cheeseman> need.
[09:19] <Cheeseman> not want :)
[09:20] <chris_99> heh
[09:21] <Cheeseman> Man why do you waste entire lines of internet sending "heh" don't you know there's an energy crisis? lol
[09:21] <chris_99> i apologise, i'll try to be more considerate in future ;)
[09:22] <Cheeseman> Alright man, preserve some innernuts for the childrens lol
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[09:23] <Cheeseman> Oh my god.. who has done this
[09:23] <Cheeseman> Somebody braided the video keyboard and mouse cables together
[09:24] <Cheeseman> TRIGGERED
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[09:26] <Cheeseman> Anyway that's my plan, upgrade my computer, get an oculus rift, pack all my things, load up my dogs and move to skyrim.
[09:27] <Cheeseman> I'm just gonna live in there lolk
[09:27] <fsphil> I've still not tried any of the newer stereo headsets
[09:28] <fsphil> they look like they're a good improvement over the ones in the 90s :)
[09:28] <Cheeseman> Me either
[09:28] <Cheeseman> There's a software mod that goes with them
[09:28] <Cheeseman> so sounds come from the correct directions
[09:28] <chris_99> i tried a 90s, which was pretty abysmal heh, compared to even a phone with fish eye lenses
[09:28] <fsphil> yeah
[09:29] <Cheeseman> I have a friend with too much money that will buy things if you talk them up enough.. So he betas a lot of things lol
[09:29] <fsphil> I remember playing Doom in one. couldn't look up or down
[09:30] <fsphil> someone should do a version of Knightmare for it. would almost be the ideal game for stereo vision
[09:30] <fsphil> just a small view of the room and puzzles
[09:30] <Cheeseman> I used to have one of those de-interlaced head worn things that worked with Doom.. Pretty pointless
[09:31] <Cheeseman> Got another later on with a max res of 640x480
[09:31] <fsphil> nice
[09:31] <Cheeseman> the claim was that because it was so close to your face you wouldn't notice
[09:31] <fsphil> lol
[09:31] <Cheeseman> Maybe.. if you take your eyes out..
[09:31] <Cheeseman> It was fun, but still pretty crusty
[09:31] <Cheeseman> and no head tracking
[09:32] <Cheeseman> Very heavy too, that was the worst part, it destroyed your neck in about an hour
[09:32] <fsphil> I didn't last that long
[09:32] <fsphil> the one I tried did have limited head tracking, but the speed was wrong
[09:32] <Cheeseman> Gonna have to go to best buy and try out the OR and maybe the Vive and see which I like better
[09:32] <fsphil> turning twice would only turn once in the game
[09:33] <Cheeseman> OR is like $250 less.
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[09:33] <Cheeseman> Yeah you would think head tracking would be pretty easy to do
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[09:33] <Cheeseman> considering how easy it is to set up a 3 axis gyro
[09:33] <fsphil> I'd love to use them to visualise data from the mars rovers
[09:34] <Cheeseman> Wow
[09:34] <Cheeseman> that would be awesome
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[09:34] <Cheeseman> 360 from curiosity
[09:34] <Cheeseman> Oh man
[09:34] <Cheeseman> Dead.
[09:35] <fsphil> it would beat using the red/cyan glasses for the sojourner rover
[09:36] <Cheeseman> Would be a cool VR experience to EVA the ISS, if you could work out how to make yourself feel weightless
[09:36] <Cheeseman> Or just get really high first
[09:36] <fsphil> get an inner ear infection
[09:36] <Cheeseman> lol
[09:37] <Cheeseman> That's probably the more elegant solution lol
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[09:40] <Cheeseman> I feel like whatever headset I do get.. I'll probably stop using my monitor completely
[09:41] <fsphil> I doubt you could use it for any useful length of time
[09:43] <Cheeseman> That's where I intend to prove you wrong sir :)
[09:43] <Cheeseman> My computer is strategically installed in my living room and my monitor is on a wall mount arm
[09:43] <Cheeseman> With the headset, I'll be able to lay down on my couch :D
[09:44] <fsphil> https://i.imgur.com/9g3pOWE.jpg -- 1 week later, "SEE, IT'S FINE"
[09:45] <Cheeseman> We WILL still need eyes where we're going.
[09:47] <Cheeseman> That was one of my first favorite.. weird space scifi movies
[09:49] <fsphil> I love that some of the bits they cut from that film for being too graphic, ended up in Star Trek Voyager
[09:50] <Cheeseman> Right? lol
[09:50] <Cheeseman> Things have changed a lot
[09:51] <Cheeseman> I think one of my favorite spare semi reality provided you know absolutely nothing about physics space movies might be gravity
[09:51] <Cheeseman> but mostly because my wife is in it
[09:51] <fsphil> I enjoyed that film, despite it not understanding how orbits work
[09:52] <Cheeseman> Yeah, lets talk about how hard it would be to transit from Hubble to the ISS right?
[09:52] <Cheeseman> It was hard enough to do with a shuttle
[09:52] <Cheeseman> Frickin nightmare really
[09:53] <Cheeseman> Some stuff they did very well
[09:53] <Cheeseman> it's not easy to simulate microgravity
[09:54] <Cheeseman> Though they must have been going off of very old plans of the inside of the ISS
[09:54] <Cheeseman> There's lots of things that I feel like most people wouldn't notice, or they would say "Meh, it's a movie"
[09:55] <Cheeseman> We all looked the other way when nobody had to orbit and retro burn to land at the death star.
[09:56] <daveake> I hate it when they get basic stuff wrong
[09:56] <daveake> Gravity I switched off after 30 mins couldn't stand it
[09:56] <Cheeseman> Me too
[09:56] <daveake> (the movie not the force)
[09:57] <fsphil> you can't turn that off. the force is with you, always
[09:57] <daveake> At least with Interstellar it got a lot of stuff right
[09:57] <daveake> heh
[09:57] <Cheeseman> If you're going to direct a space movie, you should have to play at least 100 hours of KSP with no mods.
[09:57] <bertrik> :D
[09:57] <daveake> And The Martian was good aside from the silly storm
[09:57] <Cheeseman> They sure ruined interstellar huh?
[09:57] <Cheeseman> The book case
[09:58] <fsphil> lol
[09:58] <Cheeseman> I was shouting and swearing
[09:58] <Cheeseman> I didn't see the end of that movie for another year and a half
[09:58] <Cheeseman> Still makes me mad
[09:58] <Cheeseman> Oh heres a good movie, wait, I gotta shit
[09:58] <daveake> Sounds great
[09:59] <Cheeseman> And that's how Interstellar was created lol
[09:59] <Cheeseman> have great movie followed by a middle aged man dropping one off.
[09:59] <daveake> Oh, there's a new movie later this year, about Neil Armstrong
[09:59] <Cheeseman> half of a great movie*
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[09:59] <Cheeseman> Wow, hope they let him peer review
[10:00] <daveake> From behind his bookcase ?
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[10:00] <fsphil> Interstellar should've done a 2001. Just have an ending that makes no sense at all
[10:01] <Cheeseman> My point is it's probably going to be 70% bs and 30% loosely based on facts
[10:01] <Cheeseman> The ending to Interstellar doesnt make sense
[10:01] <fsphil> it tries to though
[10:01] <daveake> Even Apollo 13 had its didn't-happen moments
[10:01] <daveake> But was excellent
[10:01] <Cheeseman> Yeah, guess that one was ok
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[10:02] <Cheeseman> bullshit meter stayed pretty active for that one too
[10:02] <daveake> Not a movie, but Mission Control is well worth a watch
[10:03] <Cheeseman> I'm almost to a point of not being able to enjoy a lot of space movies
[10:03] <Cheeseman> because PHYSICS
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[10:04] <zyp> I have that problem with space movies too
[10:05] <Cheeseman> Well there's always going to me magical space ship gravity. I think we all accept that most of the time
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[10:06] <Cheeseman> Imagine trying to make a show like Star Trek that didn't have space ship gravity
[10:06] <zyp> I really liked the expanse series
[10:06] <Cheeseman> it would take forever to get scenes right
[10:06] <zyp> or rather, I really liked the books, but the tv series was okay too
[10:06] <Cheeseman> Did you watch any of Dark matter?
[10:06] <Cheeseman> That one was alright
[10:07] <Cheeseman> Every ships android should strive to be more like the one in that show lol
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[10:09] <Cheeseman> Lost in space needs to hurry up and get back on Netflix too
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[10:16] <Cheeseman> So what are you guys doing on the side that it takes you so long to reply cause I've replaced hardware in about 15 servers and I'm dominating the conversation lol
[10:18] <Cheeseman> Maybe I don't want to know
[10:19] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: the building is brand new :)
[10:23] <gonzo_> yep, the 70's retro look was prob 'in' when they drew that up
[10:23] <gonzo_> (I did see 80's stuff becoming hip againg, not long ago. Makes me feel old!)
[10:24] <AndyEsser> "vintage"
[10:24] <AndyEsser> :D
[10:24] <Cheeseman> Maybe the architect is just ancient and has no new ideas? :D
[10:24] <gonzo_> or it was something he drew up in the 70's and has been trying to sell ever since
[10:24] <AndyEsser> it's also on Anglesey which probably has some very old people ono the planning permission committee that had heavy restraints on what could be built
[10:25] <Cheeseman> There's a fine line between practical and ugly as shit
[10:25] <AndyEsser> tbh when I've been there, I've never thought the building looked or felt too dated
[10:25] <gonzo_> and architects often are a very long was from it!
[10:26] <Cheeseman> The only exception that I know of is steampunk, which has to be both practical and extremely ugly..
[10:27] <gonzo_> some of the 70's futeristic things do seem to have stod the test of time
[10:27] <gonzo_> very 2001 kubrick
[10:34] <Cheeseman> Well I'm out of work to do
[10:34] <Cheeseman> So there's that..
[10:35] <Cheeseman> Fires in the area have gotten so bad we were pretty much told NOT to work outside, which eliminates a lot of network troubleshooting between buildings.. So, guess I'll go find some training or something
[10:36] <Cheeseman> Can't see the moon tonight
[10:36] <Cheeseman> too much smoke
[10:37] <fsphil> spooky
[10:38] <Cheeseman> It's really bad
[10:38] <fsphil> there seems to be fires all over the place atm
[10:38] <fsphil> too wet here for that thankfully
[10:39] <Cheeseman> Pretty much the whole western united states
[10:39] <Cheeseman> and a lot of that smoke funnels into a place called the columbia basin
[10:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI0-BZ after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI0-BZ
[10:39] <Cheeseman> Guess where I am lol
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[10:41] <Cheeseman> wow almost got my tail taken off by a 600 pound door slamming at the speed of sound...
[10:41] <Cheeseman> That's what they're calling fixed around here
[10:41] <AndyEsser> £600 is a lot for a door
[10:42] <PE2BZ> I think it´s quite cheap for an aggressive door....
[10:44] <Cheeseman> lol
[10:44] <Cheeseman> pounds as in weight not money
[10:44] <Cheeseman> Obviously you cheese heads knew that though lol
[10:44] <fsphil> doors with genuine people personalities
[10:45] <fsphil> angry people
[10:45] <AndyEsser> Cheeseman: weight is not measured in pounds
[10:45] <Cheeseman> YEAH IT IS ANDY :-O
[10:45] <Cheeseman> :D
[10:46] <Cheeseman> Would you prefer if I quantify it in beers?
[10:46] <AndyEsser> also not a suitable measurement for weight :)
[10:46] <Cheeseman> It weighs about 525 beers
[10:46] <bertrik> bananas.
[10:46] <Cheeseman> It weighs 1/4 of your mom
[10:46] <bertrik> useful for size, as a radioactivity unit
[10:46] <Cheeseman> ok?
[10:47] <PE2BZ> I guess bertrik and myself are the cheese heads over here.... Or do they use that term for UK habitants also ?
[10:47] <AndyEsser> Cheeseman: 0.25 * 0 = 0......
[10:47] <PE2BZ> fsphil would take a lot of angry birds to fly that door....
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[10:48] <PE2BZ> One could make a game out of that....
[10:48] <PE2BZ> Ordered jupio lithium batteries with comparable specs to the Energizer, 15 gram instead of 17 gram and 25 percent cheaper
[10:49] <Cheeseman> How many Andy's moms do they weigh?
[10:49] <Cheeseman> I mean, before she was eaten by her cats
[10:50] <Cheeseman> Sorry I'm just guessing since that's likely how mine will go
[10:50] Action: PE2BZ is confused... comparing peoples weight with aggressive doors and batteries in the same IRC window
[10:51] <Cheeseman> I like to reuse my functions..
[10:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1040387 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1040387
[10:53] <Cheeseman> PE2BZ: To answer your earlier question, I just like to use cheese head as an insult sometimes, because it seems so harmless
[10:53] <Cheeseman> I'm also not sure of it's origins
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[10:54] <Cheeseman> Probably something to do with some sports team from Wisconsin
[10:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2120568 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2120568
[10:56] <Cheeseman> Wikipedia "The use of the term "cheesehead" as a derogatory word for Wisconsinites originated with Illinois football and baseball fans to refer to opposing Wisconsin sports fans. The term, however, was quickly embraced by Wisconsinites and is now a point of pride.[2]"
[10:56] <Cheeseman> They're basically Canadian level passive
[10:57] <Cheeseman> I'm sorry guys, you're not cheeseheads
[10:57] <Cheeseman> I take it back
[10:57] <Cheeseman> Forgive me?
[10:57] <Cheeseman> :D
[10:57] <PE2BZ> Forgiven :-)
[10:58] <Cheeseman> Cool, now I need to come up with a better insult for when Andy is done being insulted by my inappropriate weights and measures joke
[10:58] <PE2BZ> Cheesehead is not that bad. With all the unused brain space over here...
[10:59] <Cheeseman> Yeah besides who doesn't like cheese? Jerks and Vegans that's who.
[10:59] <fsphil> he's inching towards madness
[10:59] <Cheeseman> So.. Jerks and hipster jerks.
[10:59] <PE2BZ> https://photos.app.goo.gl/qGbKXT3HkwWtSSdKA
[11:00] <fsphil> nice enclosure
[11:00] <PE2BZ> That´s my latest Pi Zero with camera in a Graw DFM-09 housing.
[11:00] <gonzo_> that's the measure of him
[11:00] <PE2BZ> No space for batteries however
[11:00] <Cheeseman> Better than most of the 3D printed garbage ove seen
[11:00] <fsphil> I'm thinking of using the RS-42 case for a flight. they're quite well built
[11:01] <gonzo_> possibly an an-ounce-ment
[11:01] <PE2BZ> 115 gram with 3 batteries and 10 gram 55 cm chute
[11:01] <fsphil> rs-41 even
[11:01] <fsphil> I wonder if vaisala will sell a few empty cases
[11:01] <PE2BZ> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2018/08/14/2018-08-14--10-44-27-PI0-BZ-216C2.jpeg?u=226
[11:01] <Cheeseman> I wish that guy would have emailed me back..
[11:02] <PE2BZ> have to cut a tiny piece away at the front of the camera
[11:02] <Cheeseman> There was a HAB that stayed aloft for several WEEKS and blew all around the planet and the module was very very small, I just wish I knew what hardware the guy used
[11:03] <daveake> I could do with some more cases ... https://twitter.com/search?l=&q=payload%20from%3Adaveake&src=typd&lang=en-gb
[11:03] <Cheeseman> No camera, but it did transmit it's position
[11:03] <PE2BZ> fsphil the RS41 housing even has space for the batteries https://photos.app.goo.gl/Q5uncJE8QNnj6DKN7
[11:03] <PE2BZ> that was the flight from the 15th of july
[11:03] <Cheeseman> Pretty sure he used a super capacitor and a pair of small PVs
[11:03] <daveake> wrong link but it kinda works
[11:03] <PE2BZ> Cheeseman SP9UOB pico ?
[11:04] <fsphil> Cheeseman: there have been some up for over a year
[11:04] <Cheeseman> Maybe?
[11:04] <Cheeseman> Nope
[11:04] <Cheeseman> this guy used an allegedly custom mylar envelope instead of a rubber balloon
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[11:05] <Cheeseman> The idea was to leave enough room for gas expansion so the bag wouldn't pop
[11:05] <Cheeseman> but like I say, the module itself was teeny tiny
[11:05] <PE2BZ> fsphil would you require the hard plastic casing wihtout the poysyrene inside ? I have some of them left to go
[11:06] <PE2BZ> Vaisale even followed us ;-) and removed the hard plastic case from the new (p) series so only foam housing
[11:06] <Cheeseman> Why don't you use foam core and coat it with minwax?
[11:06] <Cheeseman> you can make any size and shape enclosure you want
[11:06] <Cheeseman> and waterproof it
[11:06] <fsphil> I have two already PE2BZ, but it would be nice to have a more reliable source than them randomly dropping out of the sky :)
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[11:08] <fsphil> PE2BZ: ooh the newer ones are just polystyrene?
[11:08] <Cheeseman> I built an RC boat last summer out of foam core and coated it in minwax. Capsized several times, no water ingress
[11:08] <PE2BZ> Cheeseman we kind of save the environment and re-use cases from other payloads :-)
[11:08] <PE2BZ> fsphil indeed
[11:08] <Cheeseman> Oh yeah
[11:08] <fsphil> cool, didn't know that. they're still launching the plastic ones here
[11:09] <fsphil> how do they keep the two halfs together?
[11:09] <Cheeseman> I always forget you guys have a weird weather condition where free tech falls from the sky
[11:09] <fsphil> halves
[11:09] <fsphil> dev boards from heaven
[11:09] <Cheeseman> I want a dev board from heaven dangit!
[11:10] <PE2BZ> fsphil https://www.dropbox.com/s/o2wua6k7vh9j5yr/P1020070.JPG?dl=0
[11:10] <fsphil> http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/castorbay/
[11:10] <fsphil> all the local ones are landing in the sea / scotland
[11:11] <PE2BZ> Cheeseman any thing from the callsign about the flight which stayed up that long ? SA6BSS perhaps ?
[11:11] <Cheeseman> The island of dude
[11:11] <fsphil> PE2BZ: aaah that's neat. so there are just two smaller plastic clips holding it
[11:11] <Cheeseman> I'll have to look it up PE2BZ
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[11:11] <Cheeseman> one moment pls
[11:12] <fsphil> no man is an island. except that one
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[11:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1140376 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1140376
[11:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N0810500 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N0810500
[11:16] <Cheeseman> Can't even find the email I sent
[11:16] <Cheeseman> dude never replied
[11:16] <Cheeseman> Probably because I was asking a lot of technical questions about the hardware
[11:16] <Cheeseman> or maybe he just sucks
[11:17] <Ian_> What was the HAB callsign?
[11:18] <Cheeseman> I wish I remembered
[11:18] <Ian_> Not HIRFW-6?
[11:19] <Ian_> It floated spectacularly for a looooong time.
[11:19] <Ian_> WSPR I understand
[11:19] <Ian_> Bespoke envelope
[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3820230 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3820230
[11:20] <Ian_> Bristol Uni?
[11:20] <Cheeseman> Could be, I emailed the guy maybe three years ago
[11:20] <Ian_> Three years ago . . . B64?
[11:20] <Cheeseman> Not long after I decided I was going to build a satellite
[11:20] <Cheeseman> B64 seems familiar
[11:21] <Cheeseman> All I wanted to know was what kind of hardware the guy was using and he couldn't be bothered
[11:22] <Ian_> Leo Bodnar, one of the first round the world several times flights. Started at B1 and incremented until he had achieved all that he set out to do. APRS with a nav digest in the comments.
[11:22] <craag> Leo's was a ublox gps, pic16 micro and si4060 tx I think
[11:22] <craag> spv1040 for solar charging on the early ones at least
[11:23] <Cheeseman> And a supercap as the battery or was it just a regular electrolytic?
[11:23] <craag> some info on http://leobodnar.com/balloons/
[11:23] <craag> he tried a lot of things, various lipos and supercaps certainly
[11:24] <Cheeseman> You know what he didn't try?
[11:24] <fsphil> fusion
[11:24] <Cheeseman> Answering emails :D
[11:24] <craag> heh he's a busy man
[11:24] <Ian_> +1 craag
[11:24] <Cheeseman> Excuses
[11:24] <fsphil> I don't answer emails either
[11:24] <fsphil> and I'm not all that busy
[11:24] <Cheeseman> zero value for excuses
[11:25] <craag> tbh I ignore a fair few emails that ask for easily googleable info
[11:25] <Cheeseman> especially ones made for other people
[11:25] <Ian_> I'm sad and no one emails me . . .
[11:25] <Cheeseman> It's okay Ian, you're probably just not interesting :)
[11:26] <fsphil> take that back, Ian is cool!
[11:26] <Ian_> I think that the, wow that's wonderful and can you help me put a fusion reactor on the board enquiries are sad - sadder than me Cheesman
[11:26] <PE2BZ> https://www.dropbox.com/s/o2wua6k7vh9j5yr/P1020070.JPG?dl=0
[11:26] <PE2BZ> B-26
[11:26] <PE2BZ> no wrong link
[11:27] <PE2BZ> https://photos.app.goo.gl/NfCzL2JXjM5U1hd3A
[11:27] <AndyEsser> Ian_ has good honey
[11:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3910660 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3910660
[11:27] <Cheeseman> Relax guys it wasn't definitive lol i said "Probably" :)
[11:28] <Cheeseman> I'll be back in a big, Maria says it be lunch time
[11:28] <PE2BZ> Originally laucnhed in 2013 and ended in the Netherlands. Was sent to me for relaunch (dec 2017) but crashed in the night against the mountains between France and Spain
[11:28] <Cheeseman> bit, in a bit. not a big
[11:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4020263 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4020263
[11:30] <bertrik> I wrote a USB stack once and got an e-mail who couldn't get it to work, my first question was if he had D+ and D- reversed. The reaction was "of course I haven't! must be your software!". After many hours of debugging and "could you try this?" it turned out that D+ and D- were in fact swapped and it was his hardware problem all along. That experience taught me a lesson in deciding who to help and
[11:30] <bertrik> going to what length to help :|
[11:31] <bertrik> I still feel somewhat guilty if I don't answer an e-mail within a week though
[11:32] <fsphil> sometime I just forget. I'll read it on my phone, make a mental note to reply later
[11:32] <fsphil> my mental notes are > /devnull
[11:32] <fsphil> +/
[11:32] <PE2BZ> Which week of the day should I launch.... http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/westland/
[11:32] <Ian_> :) Thanks AndyEsser. What no pass for Cranfield this year . . . ?
[11:34] <PE2BZ> Ian_ publish your email address on a website. Will give you a lot of attention by mail. Only thing is, you keep feeling sad ;-)
[11:34] <fsphil> Not if you take those pills they'll email you about
[11:35] <edmoore> bertrik: i have designed a pcb with d+ and d- the wrong way round, despite checking
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[11:36] <chris_99> darn :(, dumb question, that doesn't work at all then, despite being differential?
[11:36] <bertrik> edmoore: oh it was you! :D :D :D
[11:36] <bertrik> chris_99: there are some assymetrical state for things like bus reset with USB
[11:36] <chris_99> ah yeah that's true
[11:36] <edmoore> oh hi chris_99
[11:36] <chris_99> i had an issue with that recently
[11:36] <chris_99> hey
[11:37] <edmoore> i solved my problem with homebrew, the package manager
[11:37] <chris_99> heh nice
[11:37] <fsphil> and I thought these issues where gone after RS232
[11:38] <chris_99> i had an issue, where you have to pull d+ down, to get the usb device to renumerate after programming, which the libopencm3 guys told me about :)
[11:39] <Ian_> No, the RS232 voltage just sort of seemed to fade over the years. Whatever happend to keying 80-0-80 on a 20mA loop? . . . seems so stoneage looking back!
[11:39] <AndyEsser> Ian_: not going to the conference this year :(
[11:39] <AndyEsser> edmoore: I'm sure homebrew has caused me more hassle than good
[11:40] <Ian_> I gathered, I had checked the list.
[11:40] <edmoore> AndyEsser: i love it and owe it many beers
[11:40] <edmoore> it rarely causes me a problem
[11:41] <AndyEsser> fair enough
[11:41] <AndyEsser> when it works, it works great
[11:41] <AndyEsser> when it doesn't - it's a world of pain :)
[11:41] <AndyEsser> in my experience
[11:41] <Ian_> Once I was single and had the money for a hobby but nowhere to do it, then got married, had the premises but no money. Now I have lots of junk and can't find a lot of stuff
[11:41] <edmoore> it usually works
[11:41] <fsphil> sounds like git
[11:41] <edmoore> i just had a cask issue
[11:41] <AndyEsser> fsphil: git always work great :P
[11:42] <Ian_> Not big enough?
[11:42] <AndyEsser> the user is usually the problem :P
[11:42] <fsphil> sadly true
[11:43] <fsphil> turns out I am the git all this time
[11:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4410413 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4410413
[11:43] <edmoore> there can be an odd interaction between python installed via brew and everything else installed via pip
[11:44] <AndyEsser> I actually think it may have been a python issue where homebrew had issues
[11:44] <AndyEsser> also, node/npm versions
[11:44] <chris_99> does OSX not have a package manager itself right?
[11:44] <edmoore> i find my self doing a lot of things like pip3 install --force-reinstall --fear-me jupyter[all] --force --cleanse-everything-from-history
[11:44] <Darkside> no
[11:44] <edmoore> chris_99: brew is it
[11:44] <chris_99> gotcha
[11:44] <fsphil> is brew an actual Apple thing?
[11:45] <edmoore> no
[11:45] <fsphil> ah
[11:45] <edmoore> but it is the defacto package manager now
[11:46] <Ian_> When following some of these conversations, it is often good to type things like "man brew" to ascertain the truth and verify the sanity factor of the conversation. Superficially it could sound like a windup, but it is indeed macos stuff. :)
[11:47] <edmoore> it's bleeding edge by default
[11:47] <edmoore> so it's probably a bit sharp for an equivalent to apt that's supported by apple
[11:47] Action: Darkside still uses macports
[11:47] <Darkside> still works pretty well
[11:49] <fsphil> I might end up with a mac laptop at some point. I really don't like their keyboards or trackpads, but all the modern PC ones are worse
[11:49] <Darkside> the trackpads are awesome
[11:49] <Darkside> keyboard you get used to
[11:49] <AndyEsser> +1 for trackpads
[11:49] <AndyEsser> if you're expecting it to just be like a thinkpad mousepad, then yea - it might be weird
[11:49] <AndyEsser> but all the gesture stuff etc is great
[11:49] <fsphil> I use the little red trackpoint on the thinkpad
[11:49] <AndyEsser> I've had zero regrets since moving to a MBP in January
[11:49] <AndyEsser> ah, the nipple
[11:50] <edmoore> Darkside: that's very sweet
[11:50] <fsphil> my hand kept hitting the trackpad when I typed
[11:50] <Darkside> edmoore: i decided i didnt want to run gentoo under linux
[11:50] <edmoore> has it got fortran yet
[11:50] <fsphil> lol
[11:51] <Darkside> edmoore: well it has modern gnuradio, which was enough for me
[11:51] <Darkside> i may try homebrew again at some point
[11:51] <Darkside> but my needs are met with macports at the moment
[11:51] <edmoore> i prefer the term StallMagnatism
[11:52] <edmoore> but yes gnuradio was a bit of a pain on osx a few years ago
[11:53] <Darkside> port install gnuradio
[11:53] <Darkside> <wait 3 hours>
[11:53] <edmoore> oh the ubuntu 18.04 lts upgrade is finally out
[11:53] <edmoore> cool
[11:54] <Darkside> best to run it before going to bed :P
[11:54] <Darkside> hrm
[11:54] <Darkside> work laptop runs 18.04
[11:54] <edmoore> yes i remember the install script said something like 'warning, this is going to take painfully long'
[11:55] <edmoore> there is now brew install gnuradio btw
[11:55] <edmoore> and it's kept up to date
[11:56] <dbrooke> I just went DIY 8-) https://crux.nu/portdb/?a=repo&q=dbrooke
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[12:00] <Darkside> edmoore: well the macports gnuradio port matches the latest gnuradio release
[12:00] <Darkside> so thats nice
[12:00] <Darkside> 3.7.13.4
[12:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1030543 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1030543
[12:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1710768 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1710768
[12:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BACKUP - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BACKUP
[12:26] <Cheeseman> Did I miss anything?
[12:27] <Cheeseman> Apparently last sunday night a guy was walking on a country road in the dark and got hit by two different vehicles
[12:43] <edmoore> that happens
[12:44] <edmoore> some countries at high latitudes mandate wearing reflectors when walking outside
[13:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OCULUS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OCULUS
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[13:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03gpslt - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=gpslt
[13:18] <Cheeseman> edmoore: they probably also recommend not walking on country roads in the dark.. while possibly drunk
[13:19] <Cheeseman> Gonna bail guys, day shift kids are here
[13:19] <Cheeseman> later
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[13:33] <PE2BZ> Did someone test the Ultra Hi FLoat on latex HAB balloons ?
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[15:14] <geekypenguin> anyone lost a payload near the m25/a10 junction
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[15:37] <geekypenguin> or potters bar?
[15:38] <daveake> I haven't .. .something found? Got a description ?
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[15:39] <geekypenguin> never mind, the owner has rang in. we had a report of a parachute and a box wrapped round one of our overhead power lines
[15:45] <mfa298> is this the latest reason for delays on the railway ?
[15:46] <mfa298> certainly demonstartes why you shouldn't launch if it looks like it might end up in a populated area
[15:47] <fsphil> I don't see anything on notaminfo.com in that area
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[15:50] <fsphil> still, might not be a hab
[15:50] <geekypenguin> no idea, came from near banbury. tried looking on spacenear.us but no joy
[15:50] <fsphil> yeah nothing on aprs.fi either
[15:50] <geekypenguin> no it was a hab, owner confirmed
[15:51] <geekypenguin> no a massive issue, we were just trying to find the owner, just in case they were going to try and get it back themselves
[15:52] <geekypenguin> *not
[15:55] <daveake> fsphil the notam may well have expired by now - they disappear from notaminfo once they're expired
[15:55] <daveake> But seeing as it landed where it did, I wouldn't be surprised if there was none in the first place
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[16:13] <AndyEsser> maybe a jordan special?
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[16:24] <Ian_> :)
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[17:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DRAGINO - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DRAGINO
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[17:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4410414 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4410414
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[17:52] <Hix> Hello folks. Has someone lost a payload near the M25? Just passed one hanging from HV power lines
[17:53] <craag> We had a guy in here from the grid I think, he said the owner has phoned in.
[17:54] <Hix> https://goo.gl/maps/5p4gHrALNAp
[17:54] <Hix> Approx location
[17:54] <Hix> Ahh oki
[17:55] <craag> I think they had reports and were trying to get in contact to make sure the owner didn't try to recover it themselves
[17:55] <Hix> Heh
[17:55] <Hix> That would have been invigorating
[17:56] <craag> cor that's a visible location :D
[18:00] <Hix> Very. 😁
[18:01] <Hix> I thought it was a kite at first, then saw the classic ep box suspended below
[18:01] <michemto> hi! anyone know if the flight docs disappear after a while if they're not approved? create one yesterday - couldn't find it today.
[18:02] <daveake> they never get deleted
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[18:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2240393 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2240393
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[18:54] <Ian_> Used extensively by the NG for exercise or billing purposes . . . be polite and helpful :) it might make a difference!
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[19:01] <Ian_> At least these NG guys know where to look first for clues. Who knows, they might even have an RS41 collection courtesy of Meteo :)
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[19:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SCINC - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SCINC
[19:14] <michemto> Anyone who could approve the flight doc now?
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[19:19] <michemto> Flight doc approval needed for id: 52640f7c8b5a6e65e9ecc54c1399a202
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[19:22] <PE2BZ> you should ask that in #habhub
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[20:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M2353260 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M2353260
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[20:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03REL_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=REL_chase
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[21:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VORTEX1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX1
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[22:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-17029189 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-17029189
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[23:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1140458 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1140458
[23:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[23:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2430357 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2430357
[23:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4250312 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4250312
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3820210 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3820210
[23:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3820022 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3820022
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[23:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1830283 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1830283
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[23:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3920005 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3920005
[23:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1730569 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1730569
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[23:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1620157 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1620157
[23:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4350044 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4350044
[23:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1020066 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1020066
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