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[05:57] <Cheeseman> Hi kids
[05:58] <Cheeseman> I just ordered an SHT10 Temperature and humidity probe inside of a sintered metal casing. Hoping it works as advertised.
[05:59] <Cheeseman> Guess I'll know when it arrives from Shenzen in a friggin' month..
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[06:24] <Cheeseman> bbl
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[07:34] <Cheeseman> Trying out an IRC app..
[07:34] <Cheeseman> Dont know how I feel about it yet.
[07:38] <Cheeseman> Finally got to see some footage of the plane that was stolen from Sea-Tac. No doubt theyll be screening employees differently now.
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[08:20] <Cheeseman> I'll have to come back some other time, maybe I'll get on from home during the daytime this morning, who knows..
[08:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P3030091 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P3030091
[08:22] <Cheeseman> alright later
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[08:29] <LIERO> hello
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[09:11] <gonzo_> hello
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[09:16] <fsphil> greetings
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[09:27] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: howdy
[09:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N0940043 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N0940043
[09:27] <gonzo_> morning that man
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[10:36] <AndyEsser> https://imgur.com/a/somTl2N
[10:36] <AndyEsser> that price difference.....
[10:37] <Cheeseman> What is "Balloon gas"
[10:37] <AndyEsser> Helium
[10:37] <Cheeseman> Somebody really stupid must be selling that..
[10:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2120200 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2120200
[10:38] <Cheeseman> Well, maybe stupid is the wrong word.. Unintelligent :)
[10:40] <daveake> AndyEsser: Where's that from ?
[10:40] <AndyEsser> BOC
[10:41] <Cheeseman> I can't wait to end up at a party someplace with hydrogen filled balloons..
[10:41] <fsphil> it wouldn't be the first
[10:41] <fsphil> and they did go up in flames
[10:42] <AndyEsser> I was looking at it because my partner wants to get a helium cylinder for party balloons for the youngest birthday, and I said I could kill 2 birds with 1 stone and order a larger cylinder
[10:42] <AndyEsser> it's safe enough to have hydrogen filled party balloons, yes? :P
[10:42] <Cheeseman> We can teach the future generation some important things about stoicheometry
[10:42] <Cheeseman> Well, depends on who is at the party :)
[10:42] <Cheeseman> If I'm there.. better not
[10:43] <fsphil> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/armenia/9247261/140-people-injured-when-balloons-explode-at-Armenian-concert.html
[10:43] <daveake> AndyEsser: BOX He prices are silly. Also, for comparison with He suppliers, you have to include BOC's other charges not just the gas
[10:44] <fsphil> think my next balloon will be H2. it's just silly not to now
[10:44] <AndyEsser> daveake: like the £70 filling kit.....
[10:44] <Cheeseman> It's safe to say, the hindenburg didn't end up the way it did just because of hydrogen. It was also covered in thermite..
[10:44] <AndyEsser> fsphil: yea, I'm basically thinking all my launches when I get to it now will be H2
[10:44] <daveake> That too, though that's a 1-off
[10:44] <AndyEsser> daveake: which is why I wasn't too upset with it :P
[10:44] <AndyEsser> the £50 delivery fee was a bit steep though
[10:44] <fsphil> no nearby BOC depot?
[10:45] <AndyEsser> fsphil: yes there is - which is likely what I'll do - I was sat on the sofa yesterday and pondering prices :P
[10:45] <AndyEsser> although not sure how comfortable I feel with an H2 cylinder rolling around the back of my car for the 60 mile journey to the office :P
[10:45] <Cheeseman> If you really have to use helium, you're going to get the best price going to a welding supply store. You do generally have to pay a small deposit for the bottle, but you get that back when you return the bottle un-damaged.
[10:46] <daveake> AndyEsser: Strap it :)
[10:46] <Cheeseman> Andy, chain the bottle or secure it with a strap. As long as the bell cap is on you're pretty safe.
[10:46] <AndyEsser> I do love the look of the BOC Manfifolded pallets of cylinders though
[10:46] <fsphil> any pressurised cylinder is going to be dangerious if punctured :)
[10:46] <AndyEsser> but that might be overkill :D
[10:46] <daveake> tbh I can't be doing with those 70kg cylinders any more - get a Genie bottle and save your back :)
[10:46] <AndyEsser> ok - I feel the need to clarify that I wouldn't literally just have it rolling around.....
[10:47] <AndyEsser> I would of course secure it in place
[10:47] <AndyEsser> I'm not that stupid....
[10:47] <Cheeseman> And personally I'd feel safer hauling Hydrogen than Acetalyene and I've dropped those bottles..
[10:47] <Cheeseman> The thing is, they don't just explode
[10:47] <Cheeseman> you have to be fairly deliberate..
[10:47] <AndyEsser> O I'm more concerned with it flying through the side of my car and
[10:48] <AndyEsser> if the top gets ruptured etc
[10:48] <AndyEsser> rather than it exploding
[10:48] <bertrik> I read about the acetylene bottles and now I'm scared of them
[10:48] <Cheeseman> Keep the bell cap screwed on
[10:48] <chris_99> what happens with acetylene out of interest
[10:48] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5651501/Birthday-girl-screams-terror-shes-engulfed-flames-hydrogen-balloons-explode.html#v-9182439439405595913
[10:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> im not letting my kids near the hydrogen ! :)
[10:49] <Cheeseman> Bertrik: I've been in shops that have had an acetylene bottle start venting because somebody got sparks on the top
[10:49] <Cheeseman> There's a couple of plugs in the top that will allow them to "Vent" if they get too hot or the pressure inside rises.
[10:49] <Cheeseman> It's not as cool to stand right next to as it is to watch from a quarter of a mile away
[10:50] <Cheeseman> All of the flames.
[10:50] <SA6BSS-Mike> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/armenia/9247261/140-people-injured-when-balloons-explode-at-Armenian-concert.html ooops
[10:51] <bertrik> chris_99: the acetylene is dissolved into acetone as I read, if you drop it, it can become unstable internally, that's what I read at least
[10:51] <chris_99> eek, that sounds scary
[10:51] <bertrik> and you usually have an oxygen cylinder close to it
[10:51] <chris_99> ah yeah, it's for welding or something?
[10:51] <bertrik> for getting things *really* hot
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[10:52] <Cheeseman> http://www.nancylthamilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/inside-tank.jpg
[10:53] <chris_99> gotcha. i was quite curious about people making DIY thermal lances which also use it apparently
[10:53] <chris_99> why's it like that Cheeseman?
[10:53] <Cheeseman> The inside of the tank is filled with a porous stone, and yes, the acetylene is dissolved into acetone to stabilize it
[10:53] <chris_99> oh interesting!
[10:53] <Cheeseman> Acetylene is pretty touchy stuff
[10:53] <Cheeseman> They used to light whole towns with it
[10:54] <Cheeseman> maximum safe delivery pressure is something like 12 PSI if I recall
[10:54] <Cheeseman> If you deliver too fast... Boom..
[10:54] <chris_99> wow that's very low
[10:54] <chris_99> that's around what i server beer at i think
[10:54] <chris_99> *serve
[10:55] <Cheeseman> Back when I was building cattle fences, we would carry the empty bottles up to a pickup truck over our shoulder and toss them in on top of each other
[10:55] <chris_99> eek. so they always have that special porous stone in it?
[10:56] <Cheeseman> Yeah that has to be there
[10:56] <Cheeseman> I think it's pearlite or something similar
[10:56] <chris_99> oh interesting
[10:56] <Cheeseman> I've touched it before, you can put a mark in it with your fingernail pretty easy
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[10:57] <Cheeseman> We had a bottle cut in half down the middle at the metal shop where I got my formal education on the things I mostly already knew
[10:58] <chris_99> cool. Are you a welder/fabricator then?
[10:59] <Cheeseman> Used to be yeah
[10:59] <Cheeseman> And the max pressure is 15 PSIG
[10:59] <Cheeseman> I had to look it up before I was found out lol
[10:59] <chris_99> heh
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[11:00] <chris_99> so above that pressure is it friction against the pipe walls or something, that causes issues?
[11:00] <Cheeseman> I worked in a few small fab shops and one large one.. I don't fit in with the roughnecks and Union types
[11:00] <Cheeseman> I think it must be a friction thing, not totally sure
[11:00] <chris_99> i've only had a go at MIG a few times at a little night school cause, and found it pretty darn hard
[11:01] <bertrik> I don't know much about, except I like to keep some distance from that stuff
[11:01] <bertrik> also an oxygen bottle can be dangerous, because oxygen makes basically everything flammable
[11:01] <Cheeseman> Yeah
[11:01] <Cheeseman> Oxygen starts more shop fires than even me
[11:01] <chris_99> heh
[11:02] <bertrik> apparently even a tiny oil residue in a fitting can auto-ignite with oxygen
[11:02] <SA6BSS-Mike> all things collected for my hydrogen gen. just a mather of time yo build it, maby next year ...
[11:02] <Cheeseman> You get a little pinhole in the cutting torch lead, it pisses out oxygen in the shop all morning and everybody feels great.. Then it's time for a smoke break and suddenly your clothes are more flammable than you remember them being
[11:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> :)
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[11:03] <Cheeseman> That was my favorite shop demo
[11:03] <Cheeseman> Outdoors for safety of course :)
[11:03] <chris_99> haha
[11:03] <Cheeseman> we lit a dirty shop rag, then fed it more oxygen with the torch
[11:03] <russss> acetylene has a carbon-carbon triple bond which is a bit unstable
[11:04] <russss> it will decompose if you stare at it hard enough
[11:04] <Cheeseman> Pretty much lol
[11:04] <russss> and the decomposition is exothermic so you end up with a chain reaction
[11:04] <Cheeseman> Makes ya wonder how they can sell calcium carbide online huh?
[11:05] <AndyEsser> need to find out if I can store my cyliders in the office, or if they need to be kept in the chemical store at the new office....
[11:05] <russss> I think the porous stuff in the cylinder is meant to slow that decomposition down so that you have time to run away
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[11:06] <Cheeseman> It sorta works as a diffuser, as does the acetone
[11:06] <Cheeseman> they're both there to stabilize the gas
[11:06] <Cheeseman> https://www.amazon.com/Calcium-Carbide-Miners-Lamp-bottle/dp/B076HB66N4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534158319&sr=8-1&keywords=calcium+carbide
[11:06] <Cheeseman> "Mining lamp refill"
[11:07] <Cheeseman> Acetylene in a confined space.. great idea, the safety guy will love it lol
[11:07] <Cheeseman> AndyEsser: You should probably store your compressed gases outside
[11:07] <russss> I think the acetone is also there because you can store more acetylene if it's dissolved in acetone. Since it doesn't like being pressurised.
[11:07] <Cheeseman> You're right about that Russ
[11:08] <Cheeseman> Even if it's inert gas, a pressurized gas bottle has many applications to make your insurance adjuster cringe :)
[11:09] <Cheeseman> Alright all, gonna go see what's for lunch. Be back later probably
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[11:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0940236 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0940236
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[11:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4350125 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4350125
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[11:56] <Cheeseman> Im back
[11:57] <Cheeseman> Trying this irc app again.
[11:58] <bertrik> around new year's some people use calcium carbide to shoot the lid off these old-fashioned milk containers
[12:00] <chris_99> oh i think i've seen something like that with oil drums iirc
[12:00] <Cheeseman> A friend and I back in high school dumped a bunch of it into somebodies bird bath in the middle of the night and lit the bubbles. It started out fairly tame..
[12:00] <Cheeseman> Then my friend added some more..
[12:01] <bertrik> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckL8JL1u8TY it's in dutch but demonstrates the basic principle
[12:02] <chris_99> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fviXuBHQSTQ is what i was thinking of
[12:03] <fsphil> wow
[12:04] <Cheeseman> Seems safe lol
[12:04] <fsphil> I feel like I should be wearing ear protection just watching it
[12:04] <Cheeseman> Its an hour later and were still talking about acetylene. Good topic choice lol
[12:04] <chris_99> heh
[12:05] <AndyEsser> impressed with the lack of horizontal drift :D
[12:05] <Cheeseman> Fins on rockets are less practical than you might think.
[12:07] <AndyEsser> TVC > Fins :D
[12:08] <Cheeseman> Now I have to decide if I want to go to the server and figure out what Hard drives I need or if I just want to take twice as many with me..
[12:08] <Cheeseman> Well Im paid by the hour, not the drive lol
[12:12] <Cheeseman> I wonder if anybody has tried to make an acetylene engine
[12:12] <Cheeseman> Bet it wouldnt go well
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> Acetylene/ozone
[12:12] <russss> you could probably fuel a diesel engine with acetylene
[12:12] <chris_99> i quite like the idea of a h2 engine, but it seems they're not super efficent iirc?
[12:12] <chris_99> or there was some issue with them
[12:13] <russss> it's not a particularly cost-effective fuel though, its main advantage is that it burns very hot
[12:13] <Cheeseman> It might be more of an issue with the engine than the fuel if youre using hydrogen. The expansion coefficient is really high and of course so is the burn temp.
[12:14] <russss> it's not even really used that much for cutting these days because it's dangerous and plasma cutters are cheap
[12:14] <Cheeseman> I used to run a plasma cnc that used a gas blend. Part of that blend was hydrogen.
[12:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2420012 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2420012
[12:15] <russss> Cheeseman: was that for metallurgical reasons or just for fun?
[12:16] <Cheeseman> No it was for metallurgical reasons. I seem to recall the hydrogen helped reduce the curf a bit but Im not entirely sure how.
[12:16] <Cheeseman> I think we also fed it argon and Co2. Ratios would change depending on the metal we were cutting and how thick it was.
[12:17] <russss> I know some specialist TIG gases have a bit of hydrogen in them
[12:17] <Cheeseman> My boss had the ratios noted and wouldnt say why they were necessary.
[12:20] <Cheeseman> The thickest stuff we ever cut while I worked there was an inch and three quarters thick T1 tank steel that we had to go get from Canada.
[12:20] <Cheeseman> Smelled like creosote when you would cut it.
[12:21] <AndyEsser> 1.75 inches
[12:21] Action: AndyEsser glares at SIbot
[12:21] <AndyEsser> 1.75"
[12:21] <Cheeseman> Lol
[12:22] <Cheeseman> Time to start referring to frequency in kilocycles lol
[12:24] <Cheeseman> Oh yuck this server has a failed internal disk..
[12:24] <Cheeseman> Least favorite
[12:25] <chris_99> have you seen the video of someone shouting at a disk array, thought that was amusing, in how it triggers failures
[12:26] <Cheeseman> No but Ive seen a video of a guy shouting at a jbod and demonstrating how it caused some of the disks to throttle down.
[12:27] <Cheeseman> You have to shout pretty loud to get a hard drives attention.
[12:30] <chris_99> yeah that was probably it heh
[12:32] <Cheeseman> Its an old video titled dont shout at your jbods not particularly interesting. Id rather watch those three Aussie chaps dropping stuff off a tower if Im going to spend some time on YouTube.
[12:32] <chris_99> heh
[12:33] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8STyhlQrvBc He's a lumberjack and he's OK.
[12:34] <SpeedEvil> It's amazing how casual people with an actual clue make dropping trees in a controlled manner.
[12:40] <Cheeseman> Hmm its going to be hard to replace this disk when the correct spare isnt listed anywhere..
[12:43] <Cheeseman> Has anybody in here ever considered building a pico satellite?
[12:46] <gonzo_> probably lots of have considered, but launch costs are high for an individual
[12:47] <Cheeseman> Yeah. We need to fix that for sure.
[12:47] <Cheeseman> NASA does a payload ride share but thats only for colleges and stuff like that.
[12:47] <gonzo_> there are sometimes people in here who do that professionally.
[12:47] <Cheeseman> I wish they would open it up to the rest of the public.
[12:48] <gonzo_> it is open to the public, but you have to pay
[12:48] <Cheeseman> Ass gas or grass ;)
[12:48] <gonzo_> it's not just the launch, but there are all the costs for flight qualification, before they are going to allow your thing on a launch with billion dollar payloads
[12:49] <Cheeseman> Oh of course
[12:50] <Cheeseman> Thats why you work with your fellow scientists and buy their books.
[12:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD0HIP-7 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0HIP-7
[12:50] <gonzo_> there was a guy who launched his '$50 sat'. But I forget how that launch was funded
[12:50] <gonzo_> poss google it
[12:50] <Cheeseman> I got a lot of good information from Dr. Antunes
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[12:51] <Cheeseman> Im going to have to write a book one day and thank all of the people who Ive relentlessly asked questions of on this stuff.
[12:51] <Cheeseman> Im planning to go from HABs to small orbital payloads.
[12:51] <Cheeseman> I realize it may take my whole life to make that happen though.
[12:53] <LIERO> it would be interesting if someone described the whole process
[12:53] <gonzo_> you are looking at bouse buying type costs
[12:53] <Cheeseman> Im working on describing the whole process
[12:53] <Cheeseman> And you can get to low earth orbit for $8k allegedly
[12:53] <gonzo_> house
[12:54] <Cheeseman> If you want to wait for InterOrbital systems to get going
[12:54] <LIERO> I think the cost for launch was like 40-50k USD per kg?
[12:54] <Cheeseman> What kind of a house can you buy for $8k lol
[12:54] <Cheeseman> A fancy dog house?
[12:54] <gonzo_> that is just the launch costs. The paperwork costs are high
[12:54] <russss> there are some organisations who broker cheap/free cubesat slots, I think there is still generally a surplus of secondary payload slots
[12:55] <Cheeseman> I think you might be imagining some of that.
[12:55] <russss> but you've still got cost in testing etc
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[12:55] <gonzo_> (I'm not directly involved, but have seen the process externally)
[12:55] <LIERO> https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/6492/barriers-to-launching-a-cubesat
[12:56] <gonzo_> there should be an AMSAT guy on site at EMF who is closer to the whole process than me. Poss buy him a beer
[12:56] <russss> if you're in the UK and you launch a satellite, you need insurance and a Space Act license from the UK government as well as any approvals required by the launch vehicle and state of launch
[12:56] <Cheeseman> Everything costs money. Thats the problem with this venture. Nobody wants to get involved knowing it will probably be years before anything goes up.
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[12:56] <gonzo_> you launch through an agency based outside UK
[12:56] <Cheeseman> Yeah not as easy to launch from India anymore
[12:56] <Cheeseman> Them Russians though..
[12:57] <Cheeseman> Theyll put your mother in law on orbit for the cost of fuel and a bottle of Stoli
[12:57] <gonzo_> thinbking more of the agency responsible and where they regoster the payload, rather than the launch site
[12:58] <Cheeseman> In all seriousness. Yeah I get that its expensive.. currently. But Im not hearing impossible.
[12:58] <AndyEsser> launch a rocket from a HAB :P
[12:58] <AndyEsser> Rockoon :P
[12:58] <AndyEsser> ask Laurenceb how that's going :)
[12:59] <Cheeseman> If a college can get a ride share, why cant a group of more educated freelance scientists do it?
[12:59] <LIERO> it would be cheaper to apply for a couple of semesters..
[12:59] <gonzo_> politics
[12:59] <Cheeseman> We dont have time to go over all the reasons that is a bad idea Andy lol
[12:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HZK488NW_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HZK488NW_chase
[12:59] <Cheeseman> Politics has no place in science.
[13:00] <Cheeseman> Im so tired of that getting in the way.
[13:00] <gonzo_> unfortunatly it has a big phold over the purse that funds it
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[13:01] <Laurenceb_> someone pung me?
[13:01] <AndyEsser> sorry - was mentioning rockoons
[13:01] <Cheeseman> And thats why I need IOS to get their act together.
[13:01] <Laurenceb_> stupid freenode blocking me
[13:01] <Laurenceb_> look up how $50sat was organised, its not hard tbh
[13:02] <Laurenceb_> but you wont get far trying to organise everything yourself
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[13:02] <Laurenceb_> try to partner with a university or research institution
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[13:02] <Laurenceb_> and be prepared to wait a few years
[13:02] <Cheeseman> Make friends with some CEOs lol
[13:02] <Laurenceb_> but diy cube/smaller/sat is possible
[13:02] <Laurenceb_> if you can come up with some justification for why its scientifically useful
[13:04] <Cheeseman> Yeah. Gotta legitimize contributing to Kessler syndrome.
[13:04] <Cheeseman> Unless all you want is a degrading orbit.
[13:05] <Cheeseman> So the one guy I know that has built a satellite and got everything approved has been waiting for his payload to be launched since 2012 or maybe 2014
[13:06] <Cheeseman> Its still on the ground.. all paid for and everything.
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[13:06] <Laurenceb_> sounds about right
[13:07] <gonzo_> launch scheduals only ever move one way
[13:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2440247 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2440247
[13:09] <Cheeseman> Yeah. IOS is doing some cool stuff but its still going to be a long time. They have a very long manifest now.
[13:09] <Cheeseman> Gotta bail. Day shift is here. Time for the meeting.
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[13:10] <gonzo_> from what I recall, the AMSAT P3D sat cost a million dollars. But in space terms, that is just like offering a tenner towards petrol for a lift
[13:10] <gonzo_> that was a major payload though.
[13:12] <Laurenceb_> deep learning blockchain sat
[13:12] <bertrik> with cyber
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[13:17] <LIERO> ICO when?
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[13:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VORTEX1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX1
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[14:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB4APR-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB4APR-11
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[14:44] <AndyEsser> partner has just sent me some photos of stuff she's buying for youngests birthday
[14:44] <AndyEsser> have determined by my amazing detective skills that she is in Hobbycraft
[14:44] <AndyEsser> have therefore instructed her to purchase some of the polysytrene eggs to make into HAB payloads :D
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[14:46] <gonzo_> and be sure to rearrange the big painted wooden letters, to spell rude words
[14:47] <gonzo_> then post on facetube
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[14:47] <gonzo_> (I wonder if I'm still banned from that branch?)
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[14:47] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: we have those letters spelling "HOME"
[14:47] <AndyEsser> I rearranged them once to "O MEH"
[14:48] <gonzo_> WHOE ?
[14:48] <AndyEsser> we have the letter R in some rose gold wire stuff elsewhere in the house
[14:48] <AndyEsser> could combine them :P
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[14:49] <gonzo_> when ffffffdid the rude word thing, took pichture and giggled and left. Only later, saw other words in the pic that people had left, and didn;t even notice at the time
[14:50] <gonzo_> a childish wordsearch
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[17:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4350048 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4350048
[17:43] Nick change: pe2bz_ -> PE2BZ
[17:44] Nick change: nullcone_ -> nullcone
[17:44] <PE2BZ> Good evening. The story about the balloon from Germany which was recovered in Sweden, with images (German language) https://t.co/HoWfo2jAOx
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[17:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2240228 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2240228
[17:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI0-BZ after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI0-BZ
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[18:02] <horizon-qmgs> Hello, how can I be "identified with services"? I'm trying to join habhub to get a flight doc approved. Thanks.
[18:03] <chris_99> sounds like you need to register your nickname - https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration
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[18:18] <PE2BZ> If I did forget which payload name I used for PI0-BZ is there a way to find it back ? Old memory problem ;-)
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[18:34] <michemto> Hi! I encountered weird bug yesterday. I haven't changed any dl-fldigi settings meanwhile but successfully decoded messages which were successfully uploaded according to the dl-fldigi bottom bar, didn't show up at all in habhub tracker :) Anyone could help me find the root cause for it?
[18:36] <PE2BZ> hi.
[18:37] <PE2BZ> for which flight / payload ?
[18:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0650423 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0650423
[18:37] <michemto> ec3462bdb301d8197ef58ced3a70544f
[18:37] <michemto> SCINC
[18:37] <PE2BZ> Your receiving station was on the map ?
[18:37] <michemto> Yup
[18:38] <PE2BZ> Did you check the logtail for comments about your uploader messages ?
[18:38] <PE2BZ> if scinc is your payload it could be a problem with the payload settings in the payload configuration
[18:40] <michemto> I actually forgot about the logtail - gotta try again today, it should give me a hint, I guess :)
[18:41] <PE2BZ> The problem is than most times quite clear... sometimes the solution takes some time....
[18:42] <PE2BZ> For me mostly ¨received 8 data points, expected 9¨ or gps-nofix by setting the value for no fix completely wrong (which makes a valid fix invalid)
[18:43] <michemto> I'm actually using the same HW as previous payloads have had and nothing was changed in the config so I thought there's no need to change anything else but the callsign.. I mean I had to do something wrong in the conf then... Gotta check it again.
[18:46] <PE2BZ> If you can turn the payload on we can check together
[18:46] <mfa298> if you changed the payload callsign then that will need a new payload doc to match the new callign
[18:50] <michemto> @mfa298 - Yeah, of course I've done a new payload for it :)
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[18:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB1SAR-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB1SAR-11
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[19:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M4820347 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M4820347
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[19:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4510097 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4510097
[19:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-22 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-22
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[20:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M2933235 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M2933235
[20:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4510085 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4510085
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[21:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SCINC - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SCINC
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[21:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-17029282 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-17029282
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[23:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1140335 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1140335
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[23:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3930480 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3930480
[23:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3640589 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3640589
[23:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1830285 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1830285
[23:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1133228 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1133228
[23:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4010705 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4010705
[23:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_L2753119 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_L2753119
[23:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1620013 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1620013
[23:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4840743 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4840743
[23:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4410411 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4410411
[23:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0250173 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0250173
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