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[00:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0250152 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0250152
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[00:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2440232 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2440232
[01:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-17001461 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-17001461
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[03:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-18021637 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-18021637
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[04:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P3020362 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P3020362
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[04:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2520898 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2520898
[04:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2220938 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2220938
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[05:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0620676 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0620676
[05:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DD4WV-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DD4WV-1
[05:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3250415 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3250415
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[05:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N0740129 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N0740129
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[05:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4410937 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4410937
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[06:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-22 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-22
[06:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2230326 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2230326
[06:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0940310 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0940310
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[07:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P3020215 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P3020215
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[07:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-17008996 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-17008996
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[07:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2520890 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2520890
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[07:53] <Cheeseman> Hi guys
[07:53] <Cheeseman> I might have some GPS/APRS questions a little later if anybody cares to help me out with that
[07:53] <fsphil> g'morn
[07:54] <Cheeseman> I'm still programming my MCU, but want to make sure I'm formatting strings correctly before I even consider wiring up the TX
[07:54] <Cheeseman> Good morning fsphil
[07:56] <Cheeseman> Any chance you're up nigelvh? Probably not.. It's 1am..
[07:57] <Cheeseman> What do you think fsphil, should I return lat/lon as a long or as a double?
[07:57] <Cheeseman> Already know alt needs to be double
[07:58] <fsphil> I usually avoid floats and doubles on micros
[07:59] <fsphil> fixed-point all the way
[07:59] <Cheeseman> Why is that?
[08:00] <fsphil> size reasons mostly, on the AVR at least it brings in a whole bunch of dependencies
[08:00] <fsphil> also the ublox gps raw protocol already uses fixed-point coordinates
[08:01] <Cheeseman> I'll be using an ATmega328P for this. Currently programming using a generic neo 6m gps module. $14 on Amazon like three years ago.
[08:02] <Cheeseman> Using Mikal Hart's GPS library
[08:03] <Cheeseman> I guess I might be misunderstanding what you're saying Phil, about fixed-point coordinates
[08:04] <Cheeseman> They look like floating point numbers to me. 2 to 3 digits, decimal, bunch more digits. Maybe I'm being dumb, but that looks like a float to me.
[08:04] <fsphil> they're just integers as far as the program is concerned
[08:05] <fsphil> the decimal point is imaginary :)
[08:05] <Cheeseman> Hmm, yeah I guess you're right. Suppose that would also allow me to round and essentially shorten the numbers a bit right?
[08:05] <Cheeseman> At the cost of slightly less accurate location
[08:06] <Cheeseman> Gotta re-download that code Nigel sent me from gmail and look at it again..
[08:06] <Cheeseman> Sorry for thinking out loud so much..
[08:06] <fsphil> nah, I do that all the time. it's a good way to figure things out :)
[08:10] <Cheeseman> Yeah, I might not have enough program space when all is said and done..
[08:11] <Cheeseman> int GPSCord[2] = {(gps.location.lat(),6),(gps.location.lng(),6)};
[08:11] <Cheeseman> I'm starting to write code that I look at later and wonder what the hell I was thinking..
[08:12] <Cheeseman> Should probably investigate what that 6 id doing
[08:12] <Cheeseman> is*
[08:13] <fsphil> is that even valid C
[08:13] <Cheeseman> Arduino IDE likes it fine
[08:13] <Cheeseman> So, no.. er yes.. Kinda?
[08:14] <fsphil> aah yeah it is
[08:14] <fsphil> only the last item is used
[08:14] <fsphil> so i thnk that's the same as = { 6, 6 }
[08:14] <Cheeseman> Ok so the 6 is just specifying how many spaces after the decimal to grab
[08:15] <Cheeseman> wow changing the 6 to a 2 was bad
[08:15] <Cheeseman> reduced location accuracy to within 2 blocks of my house
[08:16] <Cheeseman> which I'm several miles from
[08:16] <Cheeseman> Let's just call it location ambiguity :D
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[08:27] <Cheeseman> Hmm, doesn't like lat and lon as int or float..\
[08:27] <Cheeseman> Maybe I can just return as string, I don't need to manipulate the numbers..
[08:29] <Cheeseman> Well time for a break from it..
[08:30] <mfa298> from memory I think you need 4 or 5 decimal places worth for a reasonable location
[08:31] <Cheeseman> Yeah, the example code grabs 6 and that's really accurate I'll try with 4 and with 5 and see if that's close enough
[08:31] <mfa298> useful table on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_degrees
[08:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-17001025 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-17001025
[08:32] <mfa298> so 2dp is about a 1km by 1km square
[08:35] <Cheeseman> Looks like it's been up there a while huh?
[08:36] <Cheeseman> Ahh metric
[08:36] <Cheeseman> I wish it was used more in the states
[08:36] <Cheeseman> ..Because it's.. better?
[08:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-17008375 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-17008375
[08:39] <Cheeseman> I think I just realized SpacenearUS might be a bot..
[08:40] <mfa298> you should try the UK we're just totally confused - Beer is in pints (at least at a pub), petrol is in Litres and milk depends on which shop (some will sell 2L others will sell 4pint)
[08:42] <Cheeseman> Gas is in gallons, oil is in quarts, carbonated beverages are in ounces or litres.. We're retarded..
[08:43] <Cheeseman> Not sure if any consumer products are sold in pints here
[08:44] <Cheeseman> If you went for a drink and asked for a pint of ale where I live, they'd either pretend they didn't hear you or tell you to leave lol
[08:47] <Cheeseman> I feel like we could probably get the scientific community to agree on a unified set of weights and measures, but probably not anywhere else
[08:51] <vaizki> welcome to Finland, everything is SI except maritime distances in nautical miles and potatoes in the marketplace by the "kappa" which is 4.58 liters
[08:53] <Cheeseman> You have a specific unit of measure for potatoes?
[08:53] <vaizki> well only when buying them in the outdoor farmers market :)
[08:53] <vaizki> if you buy them in regular shops they are of course sold by the kg
[08:54] <Cheeseman> Wow I don't even think you could sell potatoes that way here lol
[08:54] <vaizki> and I guess the "kappa" is becoming rare in the farmer's markets as well
[08:55] <vaizki> one "kappa" is 1/32 of a barrel in our old measurements
[08:55] <Cheeseman> Only hipsters and old folks going to the farmers market in my town lol they're not after potatoes
[08:55] <SA6BSS-Mike> time to close all windows and doors and seal up the house, 30,5 outside and climbing..
[08:55] <Cheeseman> Guess the question is really what can you only fit 32 of in a barrel right?
[08:56] <vaizki> rabid badgers
[08:56] <Cheeseman> Sounds right lol
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[08:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> decoding last nights wx sonde hanging in a tree 35km from here, realy like the new wx decoder http://escursioni.altervista.org/Radiosonde/
[08:58] <Cheeseman> Are you going to go get it?
[08:59] <SA6BSS-Mike> I will likely go for it and have alook in a couple of days, have a good gps fix so should be easy to find, but getting it down from the trees is anothrt mather
[08:59] <fsphil> nice
[08:59] <fsphil> all the sondes here have been landing in the sea this week
[09:00] <fsphil> such a waste of a perfectly good dev board :)
[09:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> im free from work today so Im home with the kids but its going up to 34-35 so not draging them along for this
[09:01] <Cheeseman> Yeah I'm not a big fan of tree climbing myself
[09:01] <Cheeseman> Fell out of one once and landed on a barbed wire fence
[09:01] <Cheeseman> It was a long day..
[09:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> I have so far only been able to get one of the rs41 tho I have quite a load of the old rs92 out in the shed
[09:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> hehe, I bet :)
[09:02] <Cheeseman> I need to figure out what the weather service sends up around here and weather they recover them or not. It would just be cool to get ahold of one and see how it's built
[09:02] <Darkside> they would not recover them
[09:02] <Darkside> it would not be cost effectie to do so
[09:03] <Darkside> not for the regular radiosondes anyway
[09:03] <Cheeseman> Weather service in the united states is just a baby compared to what's going on elsewhere
[09:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> have a look at around 00 06 12 18 utc or maby 30-60min after so they get an altitude , there is a program fro decoding the US sondes iirc
[09:03] <Cheeseman> The closes station to me is Spokane washington and I'm not even sure how often they send something up
[09:04] <SA6BSS-Mike> ususly 00 and 12 utc
[09:04] <SA6BSS-Mike> closest here only sends up at 00
[09:04] <Cheeseman> Yeah, a ham friend of mine helped develop that software back when he was a glider pilot. Apparently he doesn't have any software or source anymore though
[09:04] <fsphil> 00z mostly here, with sporadic daytime launches
[09:04] <fsphil> and recently two launches within an hour of eachother
[09:05] <SA6BSS-Mike> and last night sondes switched of, but quite a long run on this tx until now
[09:05] <Darkside> SA6BSS-Mike: if burst kill is 'disabled' its usually 8.5 hours after burst it hink?
[09:06] <Darkside> i think*
[09:08] <Cheeseman> So has anybody currently active in here launched a scratch built hab?
[09:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, this one lasted 9 h
[09:08] <Darkside> sure
[09:08] <Darkside> Cheeseman: our first few launches were payloads from 'scratch'
[09:08] <Cheeseman> What type/brand of sensors do you use?
[09:08] <Darkside> as in, arduinos with shields and stuff
[09:08] <Darkside> and the moved on to custom PCBs
[09:08] <Darkside> sensors?
[09:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> I have, used realedy avalibe wf but made the pcb:s and soldered the up myself
[09:09] <Cheeseman> well if you're spending the money to put something up, you're gathering some sort of data right?
[09:09] <Darkside> er
[09:09] <Darkside> maybe?
[09:09] <vaizki> Vaisala used to have burst kill on as default but they changed the default so that people can recover them
[09:09] <Darkside> we're usually flying camera tests and stuff
[09:09] <Darkside> or amateur radio test payloads
[09:09] <SA6BSS-Mike> no, im going for floater so usuly gps sat in view, temp, battery,
[09:09] <Darkside> flying a temp sensor is kind of pointless
[09:09] <Darkside> may as well use the local sonde lainch data
[09:10] <Darkside> and the sensors we can buy arent going to measure actual air temp reliably
[09:10] <Cheeseman> I'm wondering about measuring atmospheric gasses
[09:10] <Darkside> payload internal temp is interesting though, just to see how bad you insulated it :P
[09:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> vaizki: thats a good thing, here they have always been without BC
[09:10] <fsphil> oh so there's actually a mode where it shuts down after burst?
[09:11] <Darkside> yes
[09:11] <Darkside> though by default its on the longest time possible
[09:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes, the program that I linked to ^^ can detect if its enabled
[09:11] <Darkside> which i think is 8.5-9 hours after burst
[09:11] <fsphil> aaah
[09:11] <fsphil> so not right at burst
[09:12] <Cheeseman> Obviously any measurements we'd take are probably things that have already been measured, I just want that first launch to be a little more meaningful than proving helium/hydrogen still works
[09:12] <Darkside> SA6BSS-Mike: that guy has figured out a lot about the telemetry... im wondering ow
[09:12] <Darkside> how*
[09:12] <Darkside> because i'd love to add support for those kind of fields to the RS decoders
[09:12] <Darkside> unfortunaately everyone who figures it out keeps it under wraps :-(
[09:12] <Darkside> makes me wonder if they got inside information
[09:12] <Cheeseman> I hate that
[09:13] <SA6BSS-Mike> its a good easy progam to use, prefers it over sondemonitor
[09:13] <Darkside> oh yeah, its really nice
[09:13] <Darkside> very easy to use
[09:13] <Darkside> i think it works under wine too
[09:13] <Darkside> need him to add some more outputs so the output can be piped into chasemappper
[09:13] <Cheeseman> I was in contact with a guy who was developing a gps tracker who said he would send me a copy of some of his early code.. Guy sent me a hex file..
[09:14] <Darkside> Cheeseman: pretty sure theres a few open source tracker codes out there
[09:14] <vaizki> on punch cards?
[09:14] <Cheeseman> Nobody believes you when you say you're not developing something to sell it
[09:14] <Cheeseman> Yeah there's code out there
[09:14] <Cheeseman> I'm also working on my own
[09:15] <Cheeseman> the point is that it's not some magical trade secret but people pretend it is because it was hard for their own tiny brain to work out
[09:15] <Cheeseman> Or they paid somebody else to write the code because they don't know how
[09:15] <Cheeseman> Sorry, I'm getting worked up. I'll stop lol
[09:16] <Darkside> heh
[09:16] <fsphil> deep breath
[09:16] <Darkside> i just open source everything
[09:16] <Darkside> just in case it might be useful to someon eelse
[09:16] <Cheeseman> Me too Darkside
[09:16] <Darkside> occasionally i get issues on some shitty script i wrote years ago
[09:16] <Cheeseman> I don't like publishing things and then answering questions about it though lol
[09:16] <fsphil> I rarely get fixes. I like to think that's because my code is perfect, rather than nobody is using it :)
[09:17] <Cheeseman> There's always somebody who asked you for hookup details or what version of this or that library to use
[09:17] <Cheeseman> That's day one stuff.
[09:18] <Cheeseman> And then if you try to provide more detail, you take heat for using fritzing to generate a graphic lol
[09:18] <Cheeseman> Sorry mate, left my graph paper back in 1985
[09:30] <Cheeseman> Ok time to go replace some hard drives. Got a break from the tapes today.
[09:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> you had open source tracksour https://www.tracksoar.com/
[09:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> *have
[09:32] <Cheeseman> Is this a question?
[09:33] <SA6BSS-Mike> a statment :)
[09:33] <Cheeseman> To whom?
[09:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> its for the NTX2 radio
[09:35] <SA6BSS-Mike> you where talking open source trackers and iirc you said yesterday you had a RADIOMETRIX module
[09:35] <SA6BSS-Mike> just a heads up, thats all
[09:35] <Cheeseman> Oh ok
[09:35] <Cheeseman> I'll be using VHF in the states for tracking
[09:36] <Cheeseman> Though, the more I think about it, UHF might be better
[09:36] <Cheeseman> depending on where the HAB lands, there could be a lot of trees and stuff
[09:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N0840274 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N0840274
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[09:48] <Cheeseman> Man I lost another ear plug someplace..
[09:49] <Cheeseman> Never let the safety guy catch you without your PPE man
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[09:56] <Cheeseman> Everybody went to sleep
[09:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3820375 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3820375
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[10:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0440501 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0440501
[10:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2520967 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2520967
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[10:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-17008729 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-17008729
[10:45] <Darkside> still not sure those DFM09 serial numberrs are right >_>
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[10:49] <Cheeseman> Ugh this is driving me crazy..
[10:50] <Cheeseman> int LAT = (gps.location.lat(), 5); Just prints 5 but Serial.print(gps.location.lat(), 5); actually prints the valid lat
[10:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0440402 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0440402
[10:51] <Darkside> er
[10:51] <Darkside> thats right
[10:52] <Darkside> Serial.print is an overloaded function iirc
[10:52] <Darkside> ffs my net is laggy as shit
[10:52] <Cheeseman> Alright obviously I'm missing something
[10:52] <Darkside> i'm assuming gps.location.lat() returns a floating point number
[10:52] <Darkside> in your first line, you are casting it to an integer
[10:53] <Darkside> so if it was 5.12345, it'd become 5
[10:53] <Cheeseman> Yeah, tried using float instead but then I just get 5.00
[10:53] <Cheeseman> I'm pretty sure the function is returning int though
[10:53] <Darkside> why would it?
[10:53] <Darkside> or is it a fixed point value?
[10:54] <Cheeseman> Pretty sure it's fixed point
[10:54] <Darkside> are you sure?
[10:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2220941 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2220941
[10:54] <Darkside> it sounds a bit odd to me
[10:54] <Cheeseman> Nope, I'm not sure :)
[10:54] <Darkside> if your second example works, then im pretty sure its producing a float
[10:54] <Cheeseman> The problem is, the example just prints the values and I'm trying to copy them into an object that I can refer to.
[10:55] <Darkside> as i think Serial.print(var,n) prints var with n decimal places
[10:55] <Cheeseman> Oh...
[10:55] <Cheeseman> Yeah I think I got you..
[10:55] <Darkside> i'd be keeping the value stored as a float or whatever until you need to convert it to a string
[10:57] <fsphil> (a, b, c, d) should always return d
[10:57] <Darkside> fsphil: ahh is that how that works
[10:57] <Darkside> was wonering how that would work...
[10:57] <fsphil> it's very weird syntax
[10:57] <Darkside> yes
[10:58] <Cheeseman> So if I store the value in a float and take out that ", 5" it's giving me numbers I expect, but only two decimal placed
[10:58] <Cheeseman> places*
[10:58] <Darkside> because thats probably the defauly that serial.print uses when printing a float
[10:59] <Cheeseman> oh duh
[10:59] <Cheeseman> thanks
[10:59] <Darkside> Serial.print is not exactly a C builtin... its something from Wiring
[10:59] <Darkside> which is kind of an abstraction layer on top of C++
[11:00] <Cheeseman> Yeah, I always forget about that stuff
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[11:00] <Cheeseman> wow
[11:00] <Cheeseman> didn't mean to say that twice
[11:03] <Cheeseman> Nice, got it now. Thanks for the noob help lol, can't believe I didn't realize how stupid I was being
[11:07] <vaizki> we can..
[11:07] <vaizki> no wait that didn't come out right ;)
[11:08] <Cheeseman> It's cool, I only have first person view of my exploits
[11:09] <vaizki> easy to get locked into a spiral where one misses the obvious
[11:09] <Darkside> oh hell yes
[11:09] <Darkside> this is why i try ane make sure others review my code :P
[11:09] <Darkside> where possible
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[11:11] <vaizki> having someone else review is also a pretty good incentive to clean your code up ;)
[11:11] <Darkside> yes
[11:12] <Cheeseman> I always feel the temptation to try and footnote every damn line if somebody else is going to look at it.
[11:12] <Cheeseman> Which makes even me not want to look at it
[11:13] <vaizki> self documenting code is always the best and it starts with variable names..
[11:14] <Cheeseman> Yeah, looked at some old code from college and my object names were always terrible
[11:15] <Cheeseman> Apparently for about a month, every variable name was some sort of cheese..
[11:15] <fsphil> there is a chedder way
[11:16] <Cheeseman> no, why lol
[11:17] <Darkside> its all coming back to brie
[11:18] <Cheeseman> okay
[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4010383 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4010383
[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3630293 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3630293
[11:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-17043614 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-17043614
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[11:25] <Cheeseman> I need another break from this damn code.. lunch time
[11:26] <craag> gouda idea
[11:28] <vaizki> who am I to diss a brie
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[11:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HORUSBINARY after 0310 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSBINARY
[11:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4020259 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4020259
[11:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4510117 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4510117
[11:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_L2743004 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_L2743004
[11:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0940311 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0940311
[11:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1720147 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1720147
[11:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4350058 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4350058
[11:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0350310 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0350310
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[12:03] <Cheeseman> Have you got all of the bad cheese puns out of your systems?
[12:05] <craag> we may stilton have a few up our sleeve
[12:05] <Cheeseman> oh boy..
[12:05] <mfa298> I'm sure there's a few to be made backwards - edam
[12:06] <fsphil> these puns are quite mild
[12:09] <Cheeseman> I came back from lunch fully expecting to have this bit of code working..
[12:09] <Cheeseman> I've made it worse
[12:18] <Cheeseman> Woo fixed it..
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[12:24] <fsphil> nice
[12:28] <Cheeseman> So for all intents and purposes, four digits passed the decimal is plenty accurate of a position location
[12:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0650490 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0650490
[12:28] <Cheeseman> Looks like it's maybe 2 meters off from the exact location of the receiver
[12:28] <fsphil> yeah if you can't find it within 2m, something is badly wrong
[12:29] <Cheeseman> Yeah, and I like the idea of having the hab use a piezo to scream every couple minutes
[12:35] <mfa298> I think a few people have done that sort of thing - although it's possibly something you should have to enable via an uplink or make time limited - I can imagine some very angry people if it got stuck in a tree and kept them awake all night
[12:37] <Cheeseman> yeah lol, guess that's true
[12:37] <Cheeseman> put a small 70cm receiver in there and build yourself a clicker
[12:38] <fsphil> one of those things you use to be able to get, where it beeped if it heard someone clap
[12:38] <Cheeseman> so if you're close enough and hit the button it screams
[12:38] <Cheeseman> Could have some real fun and program it to make noises like an R2 unit lol
[12:39] <Cheeseman> I wouldn't be mad if I woke up to the sound of an astromech swearing up in my tree
[12:39] <Cheeseman> I would be confused if I woke up and I had a tree though
[12:40] <fsphil> have it do a C3PO sample aswell
[12:40] <fsphil> "Oh now look at what trouble you've gotten us into now"
[12:40] <fsphil> really confuse some people
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[12:42] <mfa298> "Oh look what you've done, you appear to have gotten us stuck up a tree"
[12:42] <fsphil> "Help help, I've been captured by an Ent!"
[12:45] <mfa298> you could also add a Goon Shows clip: "He's fallen in the Water"
[12:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0620674 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0620674
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[12:54] <fsphil> https://groups.io/g/GPSL/message/16869
[12:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2230327 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2230327
[12:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VA7GL-9 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VA7GL-9
[13:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-17008660 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-17008660
[13:00] <AndyEsser> I'm amused by C3PO Hab :D
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[13:09] <Cheeseman> There's some Arduino code out there that generates pretty convincing R2D2 sounds
[13:09] <Cheeseman> you just connect a speaker to an IO pin and ground
[13:10] <Cheeseman> It's a whole lot of math I have not tried to understand
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[13:13] <kokey> I got a wavetable synth going on an arduino (pro mini)
[13:13] <kokey> can do polyphonic sounds over pwm over an i/o pin
[13:14] <Cheeseman> That's tight
[13:14] <Cheeseman> Did you write the code?
[13:14] <kokey> yeah, the wavetable synth is mostly someone else's code
[13:14] <kokey> lemme check what I used
[13:16] <kokey> Cheeseman: it was based on this https://github.com/asmecher/nielsen
[13:16] <kokey> doesn't run so well on an 8mhz pro mini, but alright on a 16mhz
[13:18] <Cheeseman> Do you think there would be room for improvement if you had an 80mHz processor?
[13:20] <AndyEsser> kokey: take us back to the 00's with polyphonic ringtones being all the rage :D
[13:21] <Cheeseman> Doesn't seem like that long ago until you consider it's 18 years
[13:23] <kokey> Cheeseman: well I think that code is a bit hard to maintain or modify
[13:23] <Cheeseman> I hope they have shut the ventilation dampers by the time I get back to the office. There's road work going on someplace nearby and the hot asphalt smell filled the office
[13:23] <kokey> but with 80mhz you can probably get away with another library that's a bit more high level
[13:25] <Cheeseman> You know what library I've very frustratingly never gotten to work
[13:25] <Cheeseman> TVout
[13:25] <Cheeseman> DOES NOT WORK
[13:25] <Cheeseman> Maybe it's only good for old CRTs
[13:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0410250 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0410250
[13:26] <Cheeseman> You mentioning that code might be difficult to maintain/modify
[13:27] <Cheeseman> I run into new code that I can't get working
[13:27] <Cheeseman> and I don't have a scope to be able to see if there's even anything happening
[13:30] <Cheeseman> I've been kicking around the idea of building a handheld tracking device with offline maps and had thought it would be cool to use an atmega and a small tft, but can't get tvout to work with a tft so I guess I'll have to make it bigger, add more battery power and use a pi
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[13:36] <kokey> Cheeseman: you got a TFT that takes an RCA composite PAL/NTSC input?
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[13:38] <Cheeseman> Yeah, all of my TFTs take composite
[13:38] <Cheeseman> I've got one that accepts composite, VGA, HDMI and something else that uses a headphone jack
[13:39] <Cheeseman> But the Arduino TVout won't talk to it
[13:39] <Cheeseman> I just figured it was probably something in the way that cheapo board handles the signal but I can't even get a flicker
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[13:40] <kokey> Cheeseman: ah, right, those TFTs would work well with something like this https://basicengine.org
[13:42] <AndyEsser> Cheeseman: do you not have a 'cellphone'? probably easier to use an app on that?
[13:42] <AndyEsser> s/use/make
[13:43] <Cheeseman> BasicEngine.. looks like a rev A to me lol
[13:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0410203 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0410203
[13:43] <Cheeseman> yeah I know I could use a phone but there's no fun in that lol
[13:44] <Cheeseman> Besides I wanted to add a U/V receiver
[13:44] <AndyEsser> the fun is in making something to plug into the headphone/microphone port which RX's
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[13:45] <Cheeseman> Those work?
[13:45] <Cheeseman> I thought that was just some Chinesium BS to get my money lol
[13:45] <AndyEsser> well you'd just need something that RX's the RF and converts it to audio - then do all the demod on the phone app via the audio input
[13:46] <AndyEsser> and you could probably do something cool with controlling the device via audio tones from the speaker output (ie for changing the tuned frequency etc)
[13:46] <Cheeseman> I have noticed there are a lot of various widgets being sold that plug into the audio jack on a cell phone, I had just assumed they were nonsense
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[13:54] <Cheeseman> Alright guys I gotta bail for the morning
[13:54] <Cheeseman> nice chatting
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[14:08] <russss> oh this is quite cool https://www.planet.com/pulse/planet-openlst-radio-solution-for-cubesats/
[14:08] <russss> though it just looks to be a cc1100 etc
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[14:18] <mattbrejza> RFFM6403 is the PA/LNA/filter/switch part
[14:18] <mattbrejza> 1W PA
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[14:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0410243 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0410243
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[14:45] <ch_> da342e286384a4b2da8decd6eeb67441
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[14:46] <ch_> hmmm hi there. I am trying to get a flight approveed but it does now seem to work when you paste in the flight doc ID
[14:47] <ch_> da342e286384a4b2da8decd6eeb67441
[14:48] <ch_> da342e286384a4b2da8decd6ee758c6c
[14:48] <kokey> does the process involve pasting it into this channel?
[14:48] <ch_> yep as far as I know
[14:49] <ch_> unless things have changed. Any ideas out there?
[14:49] <michal_f> wrong channel
[14:49] <ch_> Sorry - which channel do i need to do it on?
[14:49] <michal_f> what was the other chan name ?
[14:49] <michal_f> can't remember now :)
[14:49] <michal_f> habhub
[14:50] <michal_f> i guess
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[14:54] <Ian_> Yup, "/join #habhub" and post it there.
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[14:57] <Ian_> Make sure that you have tested the payload doc and appeared on the map, then advise whether you are testing or seeking approval, so that the Admins aren't in any doubt
[14:58] <Ian_> Ah well, at least you are still there kokey . . .
[14:58] <Ian_> so the info wasn't totally wasted
[14:59] <fsphil> you need to be identified to join habhub atm
[15:00] <mattbrejza> did you remove that from here?
[15:00] <fsphil> yeah, it's set to quiet non-logged in users with an exception added for people using the webchat
[15:00] <fsphil> seems to work well
[15:01] <ch_> ok - it is currently testing now
[15:01] <ch_> the payload doc works and i am on the map
[15:01] <Ian_> forgot about that, I have ducked out of ukhasnet momentarily due to the crud. I'm hoping that it's gone away
[15:02] <mattbrejza> ah
[15:02] <fsphil> might be worth doing the same with habhub
[15:02] <ch_> so no doubt. I am looking for approval for this da342e286384a4b2da8decd6eeb67441
[15:02] <ch_> da342e286384a4b2da8decd6eeb67441
[15:03] <Ian_> Posted it on #habhub for you seeking approval
[15:03] <fsphil> launching today ch_?
[15:04] <Ian_> Approved
[15:04] <ch_> no tomorrow 09/08/2018
[15:04] <fsphil> that flight doc expires tonight
[15:05] <fsphil> Window: Yesterday at 23:00 UTC to Today at 22:59 UTC (Europe/London, +1)
[15:05] <Ian_> Hmmmmm
[15:07] <ch_> 530c1061fda151cd9f953215ff0d0030
[15:08] <ch_> that may explain things
[15:08] <ch_> ok i created another flight doc 530c1061fda151cd9f953215ff0d0030
[15:08] <ch_> it doesn't seem like i can paste that in either.
[15:09] <ch_> 530c1061fda151cd9f953215ff0d0030
[15:09] <ch_> nope
[15:10] <ch_> I definately have the date right now
[15:10] <Ian_> You need to join #habhub to post it there. I did it for you for the other one, but now look a little silly. Register a username
[15:10] <Ian_> OK
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[15:10] <ch_> sure but i am unfamiliar with that.
[15:11] <ch_> is it accessible via the habitat website or is this a twitter feed?
[15:12] <Ian_> Adam grieg has approved it.
[15:12] <ch_> Great. Thank you
[15:12] <Ian_> On here type /j #habhub
[15:13] <Ian_> j for join
[15:13] <kokey> d34db33fl0l31337b00b00
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[15:14] <Ian_> Read this guys https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration
[15:15] <Ian_> Due to recent events channels may not be quite as open as they were a week ago. But registering a nickname will assist with that.
[15:15] <Ian_> The admins worked hard to harden things, so it's incumbent upon the rest of us users to do our bit too.
[15:17] <kokey> yeah I was talking to myself for a while before I realised I forgot to check in with nickserv
[15:17] <Ian_> ukhasnet is apparently still taking the spam
[15:18] <Ian_> So I guess that things aren't going to loosen up any time soon if ever. The ratchet of life just keeps on clicking :)
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[16:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD0AWK-14 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0AWK-14
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[16:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0AWK-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0AWK-12
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[16:56] <michemto> Anyone familiar with PITS's internal landing_prediction feature - let me know if there's any public documentation about it :) found just the statement of adding the feature in github log
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[17:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0650130 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0650130
[17:06] <Ian_> I believe that is currently a private development feature. No public documentation is currently available.
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[17:30] <chris_99> just saw this - http://idlewords.com/2007/04/balloon_pirate_radio.htm
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[17:32] <fsphil> haha, that's cool
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[17:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4440975 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4440975
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[17:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2230298 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2230298
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[18:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3120272 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3120272
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[18:38] <chris_99> i like the cassette ejection mechanism idea too. iirc also i'm sure satellites used to drop film too, unless i'm imagining things
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[19:16] <Ian_> KH-11, no imagination
[19:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-17008655 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-17008655
[19:26] <chris_99> nice :)
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[19:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KT0AWK-14 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KT0AWK-14
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[20:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M2743092 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M2743092
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[20:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SSTAR0251 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SSTAR0251
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[21:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-17028876 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-17028876
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[21:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-17008721 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-17008721
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[23:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1040812 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1040812
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[23:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3310208 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3310208
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[23:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M4010196 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M4010196
[23:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2430277 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2430277
[23:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1730492 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1730492
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1830126 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1830126
[23:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4010389 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4010389
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[23:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0650156 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0650156
[23:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3710280 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3710280
[23:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4020264 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4020264
[23:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1720148 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1720148
[23:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_L2753799 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_L2753799
[23:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1020290 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1020290
[23:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1620152 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1620152
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