highaltitude.log.20180807

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[00:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0620707 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0620707
[00:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2410669 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2410669
[00:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0250180 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0250180
[00:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2350196 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2350196
[01:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2440317 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2440317
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[03:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-18020990 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-18020990
[04:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P3020488 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P3020488
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[04:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1751086 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1751086
[04:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2220969 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2220969
[04:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2520970 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2520970
[05:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0650487 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0650487
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[05:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N0940044 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N0940044
[05:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2230300 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2230300
[06:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-22 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-22
[06:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3120623 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3120623
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[06:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-17008542 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-17008542
[06:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-17005200 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-17005200
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[06:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-17005003 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-17005003
[07:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P3020474 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P3020474
[07:11] <fsphil> I wonder if it would be better to do +q $~a and include an exception for the web client
[07:11] <fsphil> the redirect is confusing
[07:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> dont see any spam comming through on the other freenode pages, have it stoped ?
[07:19] <zyp> no
[07:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok
[07:20] <fsphil> yeah it's still going on
[07:20] #highaltitude: mode change '-r ' by fsphil!fsphil@ursa.sanslogic.co.uk
[07:20] <fsphil> place your bets now, how long? :)
[07:20] <SA6BSS-Mike> well, good thing is I finaly came around and registreded my nick :)
[07:20] <SA6BSS-Mike> haha 4min35sec
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[07:30] <buzz53> Good morning! Out flight today hasn't appeared on the calendar, would much appreciate tracking
[07:31] <buzz53> Sub-2m launch from Guildford, RTTY 434.6MHz 300/n/8/2 short telemetry only
[07:32] <fsphil> !flights
[07:32] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: There are no flights currently :(
[07:32] <buzz53> LoRa 434.6MHz mode 1, telemetry and ssdv, JOAL09, RTTY callsign JOAL08
[07:32] <buzz53> Flight ID SSC06
[07:33] <fsphil> the date for that is in as the 9th of January 2018 :)
[07:34] <fsphil> you'll need a flight doc with the correct date
[07:35] <buzz53> Ooh err, how did I manage that... will fix, ta
[07:35] <fsphil> easily done
[07:38] <buzz53> New doc ID cbb22586dc576b614c5c555d4ad58ee6 can u fix it or do I need to post on #habhub?
[07:38] <fsphil> it'll need approving on habhub
[07:39] <fsphil> which I can't do, but one of the admins might be awake
[07:39] <buzz53> Ta, you're a gent
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[07:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4350055 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4350055
[07:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-17008421 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-17008421
[07:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2520972 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2520972
[07:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SITS5 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITS5
[08:12] <AndyEsse2> morning all
[08:12] <AndyEsse2> eww
[08:12] Nick change: AndyEsse2 -> AndyEsser
[08:12] <AndyEsser> that's beter
[08:12] <AndyEsser> better*
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[08:24] <dindon12> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
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[08:28] <notarobot> test
[08:28] <notarobot> woo
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[09:19] <Cheeseman> Anybody awake in here?
[09:20] <fsphil> awake but maybe not here
[09:20] <fsphil> not all here anyway
[09:20] <Cheeseman> Close enough
[09:20] <craag> here but not going to be awake long in this heat
[09:20] <Cheeseman> I feel like i can distinctly remember connecting to irc servers and having no trouble at all finding active channels
[09:21] <AndyEsser> need more coffee
[09:21] <Cheeseman> Seems like more of the long time users have left and the ones still here always seem to be idle
[09:21] <edmoore> Cheeseman: is this just a random safari through freenode looking for activity?
[09:21] <Cheeseman> About 50% edmoore, we can talk HAB or amateur radio if you want though
[09:22] <edmoore> no it's ok i don't know about either of those things
[09:22] <Cheeseman> what brings you to highaltitude then?
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[09:23] <edmoore> i think stockholm syndrome by this point
[09:23] <Cheeseman> lol
[09:23] <Cheeseman> first few times I came in I was hoping to find some information on building a HAB module
[09:23] <edmoore> oh hang on i'm still wearing my ring of power from the spam attacks
[09:24] <Cheeseman> Been a lot of spam on IRC?
[09:24] #highaltitude: mode change '-o edmoore' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[09:24] <Cheeseman> Seems like maybe not the best venue at this point
[09:25] <edmoore> there has been on freenode in the last week
[09:25] <edmoore> but it's usually pretty quiet
[09:25] <Cheeseman> Weird
[09:26] <Cheeseman> I can honestly say I wouldn't come here to spam. Troll? Absolutely, but it's the wrong audience for spam
[09:26] <edmoore> it's bots
[09:26] <Cheeseman> I'm in this other channel and the only response I've gotten so far was a user instructing me to go somewhere else if I wanted to talk lol
[09:27] <Cheeseman> in #okchat
[09:27] <edmoore> wow
[09:27] <mfa298> I think some person or group has taken offence to something some of the staffers have done or said so they've been spamming on and off for a while - and fairly continuous the last week
[09:27] <edmoore> well it's reasonably chatty here
[09:27] <Cheeseman> perhaps less than "ok" level of chat lol
[09:27] <Steffanx> try ##electronics :P
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[09:27] <edmoore> the smaller niche-interest channels are ususally good, i think
[09:28] <Cheeseman> Got banned yesterday from #Arduino for being too funny
[09:28] <Cheeseman> They couldn't handle it I guess
[09:28] <Cheeseman> I'm too powerful
[09:28] <mfa298> Cheeseman: a lot of channels have switched to only allowing registered users in (to stop the spam) so it might be you're getting redirected elsewhere if you've not registered and identified with nickserv
[09:28] <Cheeseman> Yeah I registered
[09:29] <edmoore> do you have any aspirations to launch a balloon?
[09:30] <Cheeseman> Yeah, I was going to launch with a team this spring but decided to further educate myself and refine my programming before I put anything I'd built under a balloon. Needless to say I also never got email back from the guys I was going to fly with, whom I offered to help pay for lift gas.
[09:30] <edmoore> that's annoying
[09:31] <Cheeseman> Well, it reaffirms that i'll have to do just about everything myself
[09:31] <Cheeseman> Mad props though to Nigel Vander Houen
[09:31] <Cheeseman> He sent me a transmitter module that he built
[09:31] <Cheeseman> radiometrix
[09:32] <edmoore> mtx2?
[09:32] <Cheeseman> One sec, time to inject some tapes..
[09:36] <Cheeseman> I don't have the module in front of me right now, so I don't recall what model it is
[09:36] <Cheeseman> 2 meter transmitter, I think it's rated at half a watt but I could be thinking of a different one
[09:36] <edmoore> where are you based?
[09:36] <edmoore> nl?
[09:37] <Cheeseman> US
[09:37] <Cheeseman> Working night shift at a datacenter
[09:39] <Cheeseman> So I have a data logger project that I'm building for a friend. I'm hoping to have that "completed" and in his hands in the next couple of weeks, then I'm planning to go back to the HAB work now that I'm a bit better at programming
[09:40] <Cheeseman> Still need to order the GPS module that's been recommended to me, but I have a cheaper one I got from Amazon that will work fine for on the ground testing
[09:41] <Cheeseman> Have you launched any?
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[09:41] <edmoore> yep
[09:41] <Cheeseman> Helium or Hydrogen?
[09:41] <edmoore> both
[09:42] <Cheeseman> I've been told the price of helium is getting pretty ugly these days
[09:42] <edmoore> yeah hydrogen is a lot more economical
[09:42] <Cheeseman> And renewable
[09:42] <edmoore> through fission?
[09:43] <Cheeseman> lol
[09:43] <Cheeseman> You can pull hydrogen out of dirty water with a desk power supply
[09:43] <Cheeseman> it's literally everywhere is it not?
[09:43] <edmoore> yes, though that's not renewable
[09:43] <edmoore> but it is plentiful
[09:44] <edmoore> having said all of that, it's quite cheap to just buy a cylinder of it
[09:44] <edmoore> rather than garage electrolysis
[09:44] <russss> that's the most pedantic definition of "non-renewable" :)
[09:46] <Cheeseman> So maybe I'm wrong about it being renewable.. but maybe I just don't have the definition right
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[09:46] <edmoore> regardless, I would use hydrogen unless you have some reason not to
[09:47] <edmoore> it is also floatier
[09:47] <russss> anyway surely all "renewable" power is ultimately derived from the fusion of hydrogen anyway
[09:48] <edmoore> yes
[09:48] <Cheeseman> "Floatier"
[09:48] <Cheeseman> science
[09:48] <Cheeseman> So really, all that is stopping me from launching is myself
[09:49] <Cheeseman> and FAA clearance
[09:49] <Cheeseman> which so many people seem to forget all about
[09:49] <Cheeseman> I ran into a guy last winter deploying a crusty home built hab with no reflector
[09:49] <Cheeseman> He was also using a phone as his tracking device
[09:50] <Cheeseman> said he couldn't figure out APRS
[09:50] <edmoore> i don't know whther or not reflectors are a requirement in the US
[09:50] <edmoore> they're not here
[09:50] <Cheeseman> I asked him what his callsign was, to which he responded with "Huh?"
[09:50] <Cheeseman> I don't know if they are "Required" but I'd say recommended for sure
[09:50] <edmoore> lucky then he wasn't trying to use APRS!
[09:50] <Cheeseman> They should be required
[09:50] <edmoore> who recommends them?
[09:51] <Cheeseman> People who like to follow rules and make sure things are safe?
[09:51] <Cheeseman> I recommend them
[09:51] <edmoore> ah you should have said that
[09:51] <edmoore> 'they are recommended' is hiding behind the passive
[09:52] <edmoore> always to be avoided
[09:52] <Cheeseman> Unless you've somehow come up with a way to fully control your HAB from the ground and have sophisticated tracking, I'd say it's best to make sure it is visible
[09:53] <Cheeseman> If it gets sucked into a jet engine, it's likely to just get chopped up, they're designed to mow through geese and stuff, but I'm thinking most pilots don't like surprises
[09:53] <Cheeseman> loading another set of tapes..
[09:57] <fsphil> tapes?
[09:57] <Cheeseman> I'll be very glad when this storage crap is over for the year
[09:58] <Cheeseman> Yeah, it's backup and restore where I'm working
[09:58] <Cheeseman> they like to have it done in the middle of the night as to not disrupt things during business hours
[09:58] <Cheeseman> Last year I handled around 6,000 LT05 tapes
[09:59] <Cheeseman> That's why I'm on irc
[10:00] <Cheeseman> got to stand in a production area with earplugs in for hours. It gets really boring.
[10:01] <fsphil> I can imagine
[10:02] <Cheeseman> I'm usually repairing servers, which is what I would rather be doing
[10:03] <Cheeseman> Well, it's 3am so really I'd rather be sleeping
[10:03] <Cheeseman> but if I have to be at work..
[10:03] <Cheeseman> more tapes..
[10:04] <buzz53> To any trackers: we've bottled out of UK flight SSC06 today as the flight path is now over London.
[10:05] <buzz53> May still fly later in the afternoon from a more easterly site. Apologies.
[10:05] <fsphil> better to be safe buzz53
[10:08] <Cheeseman> Man that's a bummer ay?
[10:08] <Cheeseman> I'm in a spot where there's lots of open space, so all i have to worry about is landing in water or some government site that's allegedly not there :)
[10:09] <Cheeseman> We have a few of those
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[10:10] <fsphil> there've been a few landings on military firing ranges. those are always fun
[10:10] <Cheeseman> At least you know what's going on there
[10:11] <fsphil> true
[10:11] <Cheeseman> Nothing more annoying than hiking through a "Wildlife reserve" and being interrupted by a fence with "Restricted area" all over
[10:12] <Cheeseman> That's one thing I like about the UK, they don't even try to hide things
[10:13] <edmoore> sorry my car was being towed
[10:13] <Cheeseman> How dare you
[10:13] <Cheeseman> lol
[10:13] <edmoore> (not in a bad way, it's was being picked up for new bodywork after someone bashed into it last week)
[10:13] <fsphil> aaah man
[10:13] <Cheeseman> yay insurance
[10:13] <Cheeseman> also recommended :P
[10:14] <Cheeseman> more tapes bleh
[10:14] <fsphil> do the machines chew up the tapes much?
[10:15] <edmoore> but yes i don't think radar reflectors would be recommended here
[10:15] <edmoore> no point really
[10:15] <Cheeseman> Not real often, which is surprising when you consider how ancient this library is
[10:15] <edmoore> we have notams, they don't spend long in airspace
[10:16] <craag> I think we've had unofficial advice not to use them, as ATC aren't trained to identify them and so it causes 'issues'
[10:16] <edmoore> yes, atc would just get confused
[10:16] <edmoore> and regardless the antenna+groundplane will ding loudly on s-band probably
[10:16] <Darkside> hm
[10:17] <Darkside> i was told they couldn't see the radar reflectors the bureau of met fly on the local radars
[10:17] <edmoore> in conclusion, reflectors are not recommended
[10:17] <Darkside> the BOM Fly the just as a parachute
[10:17] <Darkside> well, for drag anyway
[10:18] <Darkside> and they have a huge pile of them and they are cheaper than parachutes
[10:19] <fsphil> the UK Metoffice don't fly a reflector either
[10:20] <Cheeseman> That's funny
[10:20] <Darkside> they used to use them when the sondes didn't have GPS units
[10:20] <Cheeseman> you don't use them because it confuses the untrained air traffic controllers?
[10:20] <Darkside> and they tracked via radar
[10:23] <Darkside> https://vimeo.com/19826431
[10:23] <Darkside> there's a video there
[10:23] <Cheeseman> So do you track with APRS or something else?
[10:23] <Darkside> showing how they get initial lock on the radar reflector
[10:23] <Darkside> or, used to
[10:23] <edmoore> Cheeseman: we tend to use 70cm
[10:23] <edmoore> volunteer listeners
[10:23] <Cheeseman> I've read some use RTTY, but maybe that was just for telem
[10:23] <edmoore> yep
[10:23] <Darkside> yes
[10:24] <Cheeseman> 70cm would be cool. I'm going to be using 2m for mine..
[10:24] <edmoore> makes sense if you've got a good APRS network
[10:24] <Cheeseman> The smaller antenna would be convenient
[10:24] <edmoore> i recommend setting it to WIDE2-2
[10:24] <Darkside> god no
[10:24] <fsphil> lol
[10:24] <Darkside> edmoore: bad
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[10:24] <edmoore> so your packets definitely get through
[10:24] <Cheeseman> Yeah, plenty of stations around here
[10:25] <Darkside> Cheeseman: where are you based?
[10:25] <Cheeseman> lol
[10:25] <Cheeseman> We've had a few in the area beaconing wide2-2
[10:25] <Darkside> Cheeseman: US based i'm guessing?
[10:25] <Cheeseman> I'm in central washington state, USA
[10:25] <Darkside> ahh
[10:25] <Cheeseman> lots of flat ground
[10:25] <Darkside> yes, lots of APRS there
[10:26] <Darkside> downside of APRS if you can't transmit much more often than every 30 seconds or so
[10:26] <Darkside> else you congest the network
[10:26] <Darkside> and annoy people :P
[10:26] <Cheeseman> Yeah, I may limit my payload based on altitude
[10:26] <Cheeseman> the higher up, the less often
[10:26] <Darkside> :(
[10:27] Action: Darkside likes having fast, regular updates
[10:27] <Cheeseman> It will be logging everything anyway, so as long as I can recover it, I can have as heavy of a dataset as I want
[10:27] <Darkside> sure
[10:28] <Cheeseman> Fast and regular updates are fun when you're tracking, but they can congest the network, especially if you have a bunch of guys chasing that also have tracking in their vehicles
[10:28] <Darkside> sure, which is why you dont do the fast updates on APRS
[10:28] <Cheeseman> tapes..
[10:30] <Darkside> last launch we were doing one position update every ~2-3 seconds using 100 baud 4FSK
[10:30] <Darkside> (on 70cm)
[10:32] <Darkside> APRS is definitely nice for the existing network aspect though, though you still need your own receivers if you want to track it to the ground (unless you get lucky)
[10:34] <Cheeseman> I think where I'm at, a HAB would have to drift a long way in a very specific direction to not be trackable
[10:35] <Cheeseman> There's quite a few repeater sites on mountains hills and ridges that all have APRS stations as well
[10:46] <SA6BSS-Mike> I´we launched a couple of aprs trackers that travs traveled arount the globe, amazing how good its workin with just a few mW out
[10:47] <Darkside> SA6BSS-Mike: yeah, but that sitting on the ground vs in the air is a bit different
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[10:47] <Darkside> line of sight yes, you can get away with very little power
[10:48] <Darkside> but on descent, or once landed, your 100mW isn't going to go that far
[10:48] <Darkside> (unless you land in a fortunate position, get stuck in a tree, have a digipeater close by, etc)
[10:48] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeas, if its going after it you defen. need tp bring your own rx setup
[10:49] <Cheeseman> I'm thinking a very large piezo needs to be involved, to be triggered once the HAB finds it's way back to the ground :)
[10:50] <Darkside> or DF it (though this is where a constant FSK signal helps)
[10:50] <Darkside> DFing intermittent APRS beacons sucks
[10:50] <SA6BSS-Mike> 100mW, im using max 10 :)
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[10:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> smart thing about the fw of om3bc is itc going into recovery mode when below 1500m and start tx rtty contiusly
[10:53] <Darkside> mm i just transmit 4FSK continuously on my firmware
[10:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> its been ported to rs41?
[10:53] <Darkside> it was the reference platform :P
[10:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> ah, so it does that then :)
[10:53] <Darkside> https://github.com/darksidelemm/RS41HUP
[10:54] <michal_f> I switched from 300bd to 50bd after landing. and forgot to adjust fldigi on first recovery
[10:54] <michal_f> I wondered for 10 minutes why I can't decode
[10:54] <Darkside> SA6BSS-Mike: in that firmware i removed APRS support though, as theres no 70cm APRS here in VK
[10:54] <michal_f> first flight joys :)
[10:54] <Darkside> so wasnt much point using it
[10:54] <Darkside> michal_f: yeah, you learn over time :-) we had a flight early on which changed baud rates during flight
[10:54] <Darkside> terrible idea
[10:55] <SA6BSS-Mike> nop, Its prety much useless wherever you are
[10:55] <Darkside> SA6BSS-Mike: heh ok
[10:55] <Darkside> SA6BSS-Mike: but yeah, i just TX continuously, as ~20 hrs battery life is OK For my flights
[10:55] <Cheeseman> Why would you change baud rate on the fly? O_o
[10:55] <Darkside> Cheeseman: as i said, it was a bad idea
[10:55] <Darkside> in retrospect
[10:55] <Cheeseman> hehe
[10:56] <Darkside> i think the idea was to compare 300 baud and 100 baud in the air
[10:56] <Darkside> the end result was frustration at having to change settings regularly
[10:56] <Darkside> could have probably run 2 instances of dl-fldigi i guess
[10:56] <Darkside> this was a *long* time ago now, like back in 2009
[10:56] <Cheeseman> Yeah I've tried to think up some way to make the hab more obvious on the ground, assuming it's landed in tall weeds, or up in a tree or something
[10:56] <SA6BSS-Mike> 100bd is agood middel way of quck tx and relible decode
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[10:56] <Cheeseman> Maybe smoke bombs lol
[10:57] <Darkside> SA6BSS-Mike: 100 baud with 4FSK is ~1.5 second packets, and decodes 6db weaker tha nRTTY
[10:57] <Cheeseman> There's a lot of goofy stuff I would try if it wasn't all bad ideas
[10:57] <Darkside> well, 6db less for equivalent packet-error-rate
[10:57] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok
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[10:58] <michal_f> Darkside: :)
[10:59] <Darkside> also realised the readme doesnt link to the decoder
[11:00] <Darkside> right, fixed that :P
[11:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> Cheeseman: we have the luck of rs41 wx sondes dropping from the sky in Europe and Australia among other, that can be reprogrmmed to do all sort of hab things
[11:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> of to work, luch break over
[11:01] <Cheeseman> Aren't you supposed to return those?
[11:01] <Darkside> nope
[11:01] <Darkside> they dont want then back, they can't be economically reused
[11:01] <Cheeseman> *Googles this*
[11:01] <Darkside> well, not in a calibrated capacity anyway
[11:01] <Darkside> in the US you dont get as nicely reusable payloads
[11:03] <Cheeseman> Oh, I think I read about these weirdos
[11:03] <Cheeseman> I thought the automated weather balloon machines were just something some nutty bastard was trying to sell
[11:03] <Cheeseman> Guess he sold em
[11:04] <Cheeseman> Is that what you're talking about? The payload is self deployed out of a giant box?
[11:04] <Darkside> not necessarily
[11:05] <Darkside> there are automated stations, yes, but some are only semi-automatic, or entirelly manually launched
[11:05] <Cheeseman> So you literally have electronic goodies falling from the sky
[11:05] <Cheeseman> That's just weird
[11:06] <Darkside> in the case of the RS41s, they are STM32 dev-boards that literally fall from the sky
[11:07] <Darkside> in the US you have a few other types of radiosondes, some of which run on 400-403 mhz, others whcih run on 1680 MHz
[11:07] <Darkside> i dont any of them are as easily reusable as the RS41 radiosondes
[11:07] <fsphil> the challange isn't so much finding the, it's getting the things opened without damaging the plastic :)
[11:08] <Darkside> maybe possible to pull useful bits from them, but its not like you can just flash them with firmware someone has already developed and turn them into a RTTY/whatever transmitter
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[11:10] <Cheeseman> I feel like I would probably take one apart and use the parts..
[11:10] <Cheeseman> I'm assuming these have GPS
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[11:11] <Darkside> yes
[11:11] <Darkside> though usually as a chip on the PCB, so very difficult to re-use
[11:12] <fsphil> I bet there's some soldering tip to do all the pins in one go
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[11:14] <Cheeseman> Yeah I guess I didn't consider that it would all be one board. It's harder to repurpose stuff that is built well :)
[11:14] <Cheeseman> not impossible, but less fun maybe
[11:14] <fsphil> there's a local group of students planning to use them as is, just reprogrammed as a basic rtty tracker
[11:15] <Cheeseman> What do they use to program them?
[11:17] <fsphil> just an stlink I think
[11:19] <Cheeseman> Ugh finally done injecting tapes for the day. Spent like 9 hours on this project yesterday..
[11:19] <fsphil> well, a clone of the stlink
[11:19] <fsphil> you'll be changing tapes in your sleep
[11:20] <Cheeseman> this project will probably go on all week
[11:23] <Cheeseman> Heading back to my office so AFK for a couple..
[11:26] <Cheeseman> Woo session restored
[11:27] <Cheeseman> Actually.. think im gonna break for lunch.. be back later.. probably
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[11:53] <Ian_> Shameless Conference plug https://ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasconference2018 and https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/ukhas/S3Um1zf0rLQ for Steve's 04 Aug Conference and tee shirt info.
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[12:20] <Cheeseman> Everybody left huh
[12:23] <Ian_> it seems like it Cheeseman, lunch time UK. :)
[12:23] <edmoore> i have just had my lunch
[12:23] <Cheeseman> Just finished lunch too
[12:23] <edmoore> working nights must be wierd
[12:24] <Ian_> Are you still working in the same complex as a couple of years ago Ed?
[12:24] <edmoore> yep
[12:24] <edmoore> though from home today because of my car
[12:25] <Ian_> I remember ops and backup tapes . . . shame that they caused lots of log spam when they went bad and the ops weren't checking them.
[12:26] <fsphil> just pondering lunch
[12:26] <fsphil> probably end up with toast
[12:26] Action: fsphil living the life
[12:26] <Cheeseman> Man it's really hard to track people down on IRC
[12:26] <Ian_> That's a PITA. but life happens. I was going out on Saturday evening and rear offside tyre was totally flat. I can change the wheel no probs, but the arrangement for releasing the spare was designed to fail so needed the AA
[12:26] <Cheeseman> You never know what server they've gone to
[12:27] <Ian_> You don't find people by listening, you need to ask a question that listeners/readers will respond to.
[12:28] <Cheeseman> Having this guys real name doesn't seem to help
[12:28] <Ian_> Conference, where is everyone staying, CDMC, Mitchell Hall or ? I have still to book accommodation.
[12:28] <Cheeseman> I can tell you what street he lives on
[12:28] <Cheeseman> doesn't matter lol
[12:29] <Cheeseman> Can't find him on facebook..
[12:29] Action: fsphil is staying in the cheapy hotel 2 miles away
[12:29] <fsphil> the travelodge
[12:29] <Cheeseman> I'd call his dad but it's still very early in Texas, and he'd probably be really pissed off and confused, some random guy asking how to get ahold of his son
[12:30] <Ian_> I guess that I'll check with Dave. Am not bothered where, but would like to be with the crowd, as small as it might be, rather than my ownio.
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[12:31] <Ian_> I see that Thomaz is driving from Poland, so that airport security don't snatch honey from him on the return trip . . . :)
[12:31] <fsphil> who'd be silly enough to try that!
[12:31] <fsphil> nobody here no
[12:31] <fsphil> stop looking at me
[12:31] <Ian_> Some things I don't think of beforehand :)
[12:31] <fsphil> I hope the airport staff enjoyed it
[12:32] <Ian_> I bet the B.....ds did
[12:33] <Ian_> They must think that they work in a Cornucopia of free gifts.
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[12:39] <Cheeseman> Wow I found em
[12:43] <Cheeseman> Well, back to work
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[12:53] <fsphil> urg, split?
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[13:20] <trickv> !flights
[13:22] <trickv> .whereis HIRFW-6
[13:24] <trickv> I guess the bot can't talk anymore :(
[13:24] <fsphil> aaah
[13:24] <fsphil> it must not be identified
[13:24] <fsphil> one sec
[13:25] <trickv> heh thanks fsphil :) I was just probing to see if the JOAL08/09 flight doc was on the roster
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[13:26] <fsphil> !flights
[13:26] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Current flights: 03SSC06 10(8ee6)
[13:26] <fsphil> better
[13:26] <fsphil> is SIbot working. 1lb
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[13:26] <fsphil> nope lol
[13:26] <fsphil> worry craag, crashed your bot
[13:27] <fsphil> sorry*
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[13:27] <fsphil> ah it's respawned
[13:27] <trickv> haha the best kind of exception handling :)
[13:27] <fsphil> lets see, 7lb
[13:27] <SIbot> In real units: 7 lbs = 3.2 kg
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[13:28] <fsphil> normality restored
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[13:33] <craag> hmm unhandled error in the irc lib *shrug*
[13:33] <craag> I should really rewrite that in something sane
[13:33] <craag> also don't think the twitter one works any more
[13:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0350307 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0350307
[13:34] <AndyEsser> craag: like rust? :P
[13:35] <craag> heh yeah why not
[13:35] <craag> I mean the main issue is the irc lib is a bit crap
[13:36] <craag> but around node all the niche libs tend to be rather so
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[13:37] <Laurenceb_> hi
[13:37] <Laurenceb_> anyone here used gpsd?
[13:37] <Laurenceb_> its giving me nan as the fix
[13:37] <Laurenceb_> despite xgpsspeed running fine
[13:38] <craag> I think you ask that question about every month Laurenceb_ :P
[13:38] <Laurenceb_> each month it breaks with a new bug
[13:38] <vaizki> He is implementing ISO 9001
[13:38] <Laurenceb_> today it is all nan
[13:38] <Laurenceb_> never seen this before
[13:39] <Laurenceb_> it only happens with one antenna
[13:39] <Laurenceb_> so much wtf
[13:39] <Laurenceb_> and only with libgpsmm
[13:40] <Laurenceb_> using gpsd ever is a bad idea it seems
[13:43] <Laurenceb_> wow
[13:43] <Laurenceb_> if I wasnt looking at it I'd say it was breaking the laws of physics
[13:43] <Laurenceb_> an antenna causes gpsd to fail
[13:44] <craag> is the antenna not picking up enough satellites for a valid-enough fix?
[13:44] <Laurenceb_> gpsmon looks fine the whole time
[13:44] <Laurenceb_> craag: if I had to guess id say its because its picking up one of the egnos sats
[13:44] <Laurenceb_> ok guess that could break it
[13:45] <craag> Ah so it's a 3d+sbas fix, rather than a 3d fix
[13:45] <Laurenceb_> but why does gpsmon look fine the whole time
[13:45] <Laurenceb_> fix is all nan
[13:45] <craag> which has a different fixtype in some protocols
[13:45] <Laurenceb_> ok
[13:45] <Laurenceb_> guess I could parse gpsmon as string
[13:45] <Laurenceb_> *strings
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[13:46] <Laurenceb_> this is full heath robinson
[13:49] <Laurenceb_> https://pastebin.com/h9iSTZAK
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[13:50] <Laurenceb_> line 55 change to RAW from JSON?
[13:51] <Laurenceb_> the really weird thing is that it works for a few minutes
[13:52] <Laurenceb_> maybe there is some weird packet from egnos/sbas whatever that breaks it
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[13:53] <Laurenceb_> itd be faster to make a standalone box with an stm32
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[13:55] <Laurenceb_> I can find this latest bug described in a few places online, but no fixes :(
[13:55] <Laurenceb_> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/25152123/getting-nan-as-output-when-rendering-gpsd-fix-speed-using-python
[13:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0430076 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0430076
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[14:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N9XTN-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N9XTN-11
[14:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0NMG-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0NMG-11
[14:12] <fsphil> ah Laurenceb_ is having gpsd issues. normality really is restored ;-)
[14:13] <Laurenceb_> heh
[14:13] <fsphil> is it worth it? :)
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[14:16] <Laurenceb_> nope
[14:16] <Laurenceb_> gpsd moar liek gpsnan
[14:17] <AndyEsser> gpsd?
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[14:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SSTAR0254 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SSTAR0254
[14:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0440498 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0440498
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[14:57] <vaizki> maybe it's now gdprd
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[15:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4540784 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4540784
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[15:54] <Laurenceb_> fuck gpsd
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[15:55] <Laurenceb_> fucking piece of shit
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[15:55] <Laurenceb_> tried closing it with stream( WATCH_DISABLE), no luck
[15:55] <Laurenceb_> always breaks after ~45seconds
[15:57] <Laurenceb_> mtbf of 30s is shit tier
[15:58] <mattbrejza> what does gpsd do taht a few lines of python to parse nmea doesnt do?
[16:08] <Laurenceb_> server and stuff
[16:09] <Laurenceb_> talks to stuff that I need like ntpd and xgpsspeed
[16:09] <Laurenceb_> but I could reimpliment all that I guess
[16:09] <Laurenceb_> probably faster at this point
[16:11] <Laurenceb_> or just a gpspipe parser, as gpspipe is unbuggy
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[16:46] <Laurenceb_> looks like it fails after about a minute regardless of poll rate
[16:46] <Laurenceb_> but doesnt always fail in the same way, sometimes it recovers if I close and reopen the port
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[16:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0650161 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0650161
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[17:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO5FL_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO5FL_chase
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[17:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4410412 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4410412
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[17:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0940324 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0940324
[17:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2240251 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2240251
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[18:23] <michemto> hi guys! Haven't been around for a while, but is there already a possibility to decode PITS messages with an Android device and upload the data with a phone?
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[18:25] <daveake> https://ukhas.org.uk/projects:hab_modem
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[18:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0530347 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0530347
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[18:36] Nick change: ghoti_ -> ghoti
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[18:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03POKE - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=POKE
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[18:57] <michemto> @daveake We're sorry, the requested URL was not found on this server.
[18:57] <michemto> any .apk links?
[18:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3120206 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3120206
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[19:00] <Ian_> michemto https://ukhas.org.uk/projects:hab_modem is good for me
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[19:01] <michemto> App URL as https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.brejza.matt.habmodem responds as not available
[19:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VA7GL-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VA7GL-9
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[19:04] <vaizki> @elonmusk: Am considering taking Tesla private at $420. Funding secured.
[19:05] <vaizki> hnngh sorry wrong channel
[19:05] <chrisstubbs> michemto, it looks like one of matt's other apps has gone too
[19:05] <mattbrejza> i only had one app
[19:05] <mattbrejza> but i havent updated the privacy policy
[19:05] <mattbrejza> so its hidden
[19:06] <chrisstubbs> Ah sorry I thought the chase car app was yours too
[19:06] <mattbrejza> na that was priyesh
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[19:12] <mattbrejza> 'Sign in to your Play Console and be sure to include a link to a valid privacy policy on your app's Store Listing page and within your app.'
[19:13] <mattbrejza> guess i have to work out how to install android tools again...
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[19:15] <mattbrejza> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1HXM0uTKtY-cHy6TyusrdWqn2Fk5cA-1L latest apk should he ever return
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[19:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[19:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MIKKM_OP6_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MIKKM_OP6_chase
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[20:03] <Laurenceb_> nice
[20:03] <Laurenceb_> now gpsd segfaults
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[20:06] <Laurenceb_> argggg
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[20:10] <Laurenceb_> nope I'm out of my depth
[20:10] <Laurenceb_> havent a clue
[20:10] <Laurenceb_> rtos on arm for me
[20:10] <Laurenceb_> linux: not even once
[20:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M2353274 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M2353274
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[21:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-17029279 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-17029279
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[23:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0650162 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0650162
[23:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4020922 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4020922
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1730572 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1730572
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1110562 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1110562
[23:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3310218 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3310218
[23:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3740237 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3740237
[23:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3710277 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3710277
[23:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1830227 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1830227
[23:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4020415 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4020415
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[23:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4410949 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4410949
[23:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1040127 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1040127
[23:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1720140 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1720140
[23:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_L2743038 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_L2743038
[23:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1620153 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1620153
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