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[01:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1620092 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1620092
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[01:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1620178 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1620178
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[03:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-18021187 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-18021187
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[04:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1030495 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1030495
[04:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2220526 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2220526
[05:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2150538 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2150538
[05:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1110425 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1110425
[05:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-22 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-22
[05:16] <PE2BZ> !payload U3B-22
[05:16] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[05:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 031900 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=1900
[05:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 031901 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=1901
[05:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1620187 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1620187
[05:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1730630 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1730630
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[05:50] <Mike-SA6BSS> PE2BZ: 20 + 30m wspr
[05:57] <craag> Morning all
[05:57] <craag> still aiming for 8am launch (7am utc)
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[06:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0930418 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0930418
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[06:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4430190 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4430190
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[07:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2140965 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2140965
[07:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2610146 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2610146
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[07:26] <craag> up!
[07:27] <fsphil> *hits the snooze button*
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[08:17] <PB0AHX-Herman> good morning all
[08:22] <g8fjg> morning
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[08:37] <jacob_> is helium with 2% other gases ok to use?
[08:37] <Darkside> means 2% less lift
[08:37] <Darkside> if you're happy to accept that, then fine
[08:40] <jacob_> that's ok I guess, could I just add 2% more helium than the calculator says?
[08:40] <Darkside> i suspect the error in your lift measurement is goin gto be more than 2%
[08:41] <jacob_> can you suggest how I should account for it?
[08:41] <jacob_> just so I don't risk losing the flight
[08:42] <Darkside> addmore gas
[08:42] <Darkside> as you say
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[08:44] <jacob_> ok so do you know if the burst calculator assumes gas is 100% helium?
[08:45] <Darkside> im sure it does
[08:45] <Darkside> but tbh, if you only have a 2% error in your fill, you're doin gwell
[08:45] <Darkside> if in doubt, add more gas
[08:46] <jacob_> ok thank you. I will fill it for the neck lift calculated then add some more
[08:47] <gonzo_> good rtty from the goonhilly flight
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[09:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2150532 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2150532
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[09:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS17 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS17
[09:08] <PB0AHX-Herman> $$1901,526r410.1280450,-Z.1697;1,&tQG.89j3 far far out of circel
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[09:12] <PB0AHX-Herman> that was 1 lucky shot i think
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[09:15] <g8fjg> PB0AHX-Herman may be a duct across N.Sea I can sometimes see Bens flights as they take off
[09:16] <g8fjg> but they go when out of the duct
[09:17] <gonzo_> good sigs on rtty, nowt on lora
[09:17] <gonzo_> must have some local qrm
[09:18] <PB0AHX-Herman> g8fjg tnx info i have also lora qrv now but not yet anny signaal
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[09:18] <g8fjg> I have terrible QRM on both .1 and .3 :-(
[09:18] <PB0AHX-Herman> mmmmgrgrgr
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[09:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1730627 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1730627
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[09:37] <M0JEC> morning all
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[09:57] <fsphil> morn
[10:02] <M0JEC> when is launch due?
[10:03] <mattbrejza> 3 hrs ago
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[10:06] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Burst
[10:06] <M0JEC> ok thanks wasn't sure if it was up already
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[10:25] <gonzo_> a huge continuous data tx came up right over 434.100 here, so had to abandon
[10:25] <pjm> i've still got lora copy on it at 8900 m
[10:26] <pjm> on object $$1900 that is
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[10:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-17043662 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-17043662
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[10:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1030455 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1030455
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[11:10] <Darkside> sooooo was the intention to recover?
[11:12] <mattbrejza> well i dont think the afternoon launch is going ahead any more
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[11:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4010940 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4010940
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[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4010974 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4010974
[11:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3730192 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3730192
[11:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0920978 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0920978
[11:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M5033421 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M5033421
[11:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:37] Action: daveake wakes up .... looks like my station did OK for last night, er, today's flight
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[11:40] <fsphil> not easy being a time traveller
[11:42] <daveake> I used to have a job as a time traveller
[11:42] <daveake> Didn't like the hours
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[11:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4420258 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4420258
[11:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[11:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1750649 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1750649
[11:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1140451 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1140451
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[12:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS41 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS41
[12:18] <Darkside> a more imaginative callsign would be useful...
[12:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2140966 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2140966
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[12:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DAVE_L after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DAVE_L
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[14:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2210634 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2210634
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[16:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03INIT2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=INIT2
[16:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2210633 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2210633
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[16:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TBM18_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TBM18_chase
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[17:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC0NSR-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC0NSR-2
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[17:11] <jacob_> 7d201464d0c3a04bf5e067e8890cb515
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[17:12] <pe2bz_> jacob_ I think you should try that in #habhub
[17:13] <jacob_> thanks didnt know that existed
[17:13] <pe2bz_> You know how to get there ?
[17:14] <jacob_> yep im on it
[17:14] <jacob_> you gave the link
[17:14] Nick change: pe2bz_ -> PE2BZ
[17:15] <PE2BZ> Looks like you have not received your payload yet ?
[17:16] <jacob_> no it won't appear on the map. Its not in the list of flights in dl-fldigi but I have set it online and the box is turning green
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[17:18] <daveake> You should get it on the map ... there's no point making a flight doc until you've got a working payload doc
[17:18] <daveake> You don't need a flight doc to get on the map, just a (working) payload doc
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[17:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3930370 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3930370
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[17:37] <jacob_> so in the boxes at the top of dl-fldigi only the callsign is being filled in, the time, latitude etc are not. Checksum is good.
[17:37] <jacob_> Is there anything else in setting up dl-fldigi I could have missed?
[17:37] <PE2BZ> Are you currently receiving your own payload ?
[17:40] <jacob_> yes
[17:41] <jacob_> trying to upload to the map
[17:41] <jacob_> to test it
[17:41] <PE2BZ> in the logtail http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/ you can see what´s uploaded but I did see only one packet with your TBM18 in it, with sequence nummer 1
[17:42] <PE2BZ> Does the line at the bottom of fldigi show ¨succesfully uploaded:
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[17:43] <jacob_> at least im showing up in the logtail
[17:43] <jacob_> yes it does
[17:44] <PE2BZ> SpacenearUS> Transmission #0: primary - 434.2 MHz USB RTTY 50/425Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[17:44] <PE2BZ> <SpacenearUS> Last parsed: a few seconds ago, nofix
[17:44] <PE2BZ> So somehow your GPS data could be mismatching in your payload doc ?
[17:50] <jacob_> i will create a new payload doc in case I made a mistake
[17:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TBM18 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TBM18
[17:50] <jacob_> yessssss it worked!!
[17:51] <PE2BZ> There is a new vehicle on the map :-)
[17:51] <jacob_> now I will create a flight document
[17:52] <PE2BZ> What did you (have to) change ?
[17:54] <jacob_> left the post parse bit blank, I don't know what it is but think I put something in before
[17:57] <jacob_> I have permission to launch this saturday or sunday but it must be before 8am.
[17:57] <jacob_> Is it likely that people will help with tracking at that time?
[17:57] <PE2BZ> Shure !
[17:58] <PE2BZ> You are familiair with the ukhas group to announce your flight ?
[17:59] <jacob_> Great. It's my first flight so I need the help!
[18:00] <jacob_> I have seen the mailing list if that's what you mean?
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[18:02] <PE2BZ> That´s the one. You should announce your flight over there, with info about frequency and rtty settings
[18:03] <PE2BZ> 08 BST is 09 local time over here. Then we get half an hour of sleep extra to have it at enough altitude (we are on the other side of that big water)
[18:03] <jacob_> Ok thank you for your help. So like what goes in the flight document? I will do that tonight.
[18:04] <jacob_> Ah I see, that's great!
[18:04] <PE2BZ> Subject : launch announcement with date and time. Info: frequency, mode, parameters and end with ¨I hope I can have a lot of listeners¨ ;-)
[18:05] <PE2BZ> Maybe a link to an image of your tracker
[18:05] <PE2BZ> expected ascend, descend, burst altitude, type of balloon, we all like that info
[18:06] <PE2BZ> not to forget launch location :-)
[18:06] <jacob_> sounds good...I will give as much info as possible
[18:07] <PE2BZ> And after approval of you flight document you should appear on the calendar within 24 hour
[18:08] <jacob_> ok thanks. Roughly how long does it take to launch after arriving at the launch site
[18:08] <PE2BZ> are you by yourself ? Or with company ?
[18:10] <PE2BZ> What HE supply, what size of balloon ?
[18:10] <jacob_> have family to help
[18:10] <jacob_> 800g balloon
[18:10] <jacob_> what do you mean by supply?
[18:11] <PE2BZ> large tank, 200 bar, or party balloon gas, multiple tanks ?
[18:11] <PE2BZ> to estimate the time to fill
[18:12] <jacob_> one large tank, BOC T size, 3.6m^3
[18:12] <daveake> An hour from arrive to launch is about average I'd say
[18:13] <daveake> For a first flight, if you've got everything ready (so you're not fixing a tracker or building a payload at the launch site!) then it'll be about that.
[18:13] <jacob_> found out today it has 2% other gases so not certain how to deal with that apart from add more gas
[18:13] <daveake> meh just add in 3 "Stirks" :)
[18:14] <PE2BZ> 2 % would be no problem
[18:15] <daveake> You fill based on neck lift, so that means you'll be putting in a bit more gas than if it was 100%. The balloon will be slightly more inflated than otherwise, but it makes little difference.
[18:17] <PE2BZ> daveake we fill on sphere diameter, with a wire around the balloon. I cannot get the idea of necklift in combination with the weight of the hose and the tube in the balloon
[18:18] <jacob_> that's good to hear about the gas thanks
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[18:19] <jacob_> PE2BZ how does that work exactly, because I was worrying about trying to weight the amount of hose being lifted for the neck lift calc
[18:20] <PE2BZ> Take your time. Breath, think, remember to attach the payload to the chute and the chute to the balloon. Been there, done that, had 2 balloons launched without payload....
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[18:22] <PE2BZ> jacob_ that´s my problem also. our payloads are less than 100 gram average. I tried to fill a water bottle for 135 gram on the scale, and attached a screw to it to use it as weight. After filling the balloon we tried if it lifted that weight to about floating, the problem is however to re-open our balloon and add more HE to it.
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[18:30] <jacob_> sounds difficult, reopening the balloon would be a nightmare....from what I can gather you can only get it close enough and hope
[18:34] <PE2BZ> Did you calculate the amount of HE needed ?
[18:34] <daveake> You measure the neck lift; no need to re-open the balloon neck. Only time I've found where this doesn't work was for a large balloon, small payload an a deliberate underfill; the neck lift was less than the weight of my filler.
[18:36] <jacob_> I have the amount of HE needed from the calculator, I am just not sure how to and how much of the hosepipe to weigh
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[18:37] <daveake> What I do ... put the entire filler assembly on some scales. Tare (zero) the scale. Now lift the filler end (the bit that goes in the balloon) up say 50cm. See what weight (negative) the scale is showing - that's the weight to use.
[18:38] <daveake> 'cos that's how much the filler will pull down on the balloon at 50cm
[18:41] <PE2BZ> thanks dave, that makes sense even to me ;-)
[18:44] <jacob_> so simple but so genius. Thanks a lot
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[19:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M2443141 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M2443141
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[21:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM06-078550 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM06-078550
[21:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-17028089 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-17028089
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[21:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03V3 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=V3
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[22:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03XX after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=XX
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[23:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3650408 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3650408
[23:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4010931 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4010931
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3930368 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3930368
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4730526 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4730526
[23:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0920986 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0920986
[23:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3710646 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3710646
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[23:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0910016 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0910016
[23:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N0233188 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N0233188
[23:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0950325 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0950325
[23:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[23:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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