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[00:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2330411 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2330411
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[01:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2620551 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2620551
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[02:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2023258 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2023258
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[03:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-21 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-21
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[04:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2310406 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2310406
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[04:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1743278 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1743278
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[05:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4840099 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4840099
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[05:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0610144 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0610144
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[05:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1730408 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1730408
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[06:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4430360 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4430360
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[07:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HaileyburyHAB_L - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HaileyburyHAB_L
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[07:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_K1723721 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_K1723721
[07:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2321109 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2321109
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[07:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P2310442 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P2310442
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[08:35] <dbrooke> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-44536052
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[09:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[09:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_K1723716 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_K1723716
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[09:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P1730107 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P1730107
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[09:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HORUSBINARY after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSBINARY
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[10:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0430125 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0430125
[10:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3250186 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3250186
[10:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HG8LXL - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HG8LXL
[10:38] <nmcc> As fun as Bakewell puddings in space is on the news, am I going to get an ass kicking for launching mostly in the wrong direction from the CAA
[10:39] <nmcc> I note that someone launched yesterday from a different site than they had a NOTAM for, maybe need to lie low for a few weeks!
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[10:52] <daveake> Yeah, best not to do that; the direction restriction is to keep the flight away from aircraft.
[10:57] <nmcc> Sadly they never explained why a north / south drift was a good idea from here - as it would land either in Leeds/Bradford or East Midlands CTA's - whereas east goes over Scampton at 50,000 feet which is way over a Hawk's service ceiling.
[10:57] <SIbot> In real units: 50,000 ft = 15.2 km
[10:58] <nmcc> Even glider pilots like me have to have up to date air charts ...
[10:58] <nmcc> But launching 50km away from your NOTAM area does seem to push it a bit
[10:58] <nmcc> Pilots use real units of feet
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[11:09] <russss> FL500
[11:11] <daveake> what flight was that nmcc ?
[11:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4010644 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4010644
[11:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3650432 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3650432
[11:19] <nmcc> SITS4
[11:19] <nmcc> NOTAM'd for their north Sheffield site, launched from Ashbourne
[11:20] <Darkside> no surprises
[11:20] <Darkside> SITS4 don't announce their flights either
[11:20] <Darkside> they come on here an hour after launch occasionalyl asking for help tracking
[11:21] <nmcc> Do they now, given the height of my tracker and well within range of their launches, seems a bit silly they don't ask me to run LoRa at least - I'm only down the road and we have had contact
[11:23] <daveake> SITS have done that before; they don't care
[11:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3710042 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3710042
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[11:35] <Laurenceb> !whereis HIRFW-6
[11:35] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03Canarias Sea 10(21.48107,-27.03785) at 0313999 meters about 0341 minutes ago
[11:35] <Laurenceb> has anyone here got a gps working with gpsd?
[11:36] Action: Laurenceb has been attempting this for two days without any luck
[11:37] <Laurenceb> its overcomplicated beyond belief
[11:37] <mattbrejza> is it just a gps parser?
[11:38] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: I did, but it was about 8 years ago, and I have no meaningful clue anymore.
[11:38] <Laurenceb> well - it has a server and there is a library
[11:38] <Laurenceb> so its kind of convenient
[11:38] <Laurenceb> my idea was to set a udev rule to configure my gps module
[11:38] <Laurenceb> that part seems to work nicely
[11:39] <Laurenceb> problem is I have to disable gpsd so that I can talk direct to the module, then enable it from the udev script
[11:39] <Laurenceb> I guess the udev script could write the location of the gps to a file
[11:39] <Laurenceb> then my application could find where the device is and start reading directly
[11:39] <SpeedEvil> Or maybe link to a fake device
[11:40] <Laurenceb> I'll pastebin my scripts, few minutes
[11:40] <SpeedEvil> Also, 'by id' can be handy
[11:40] <SpeedEvil> /dev/v4l/by-id/usb-046d_HD_Pro_Webcam_C920_C1DEEA7F-video-index0
[11:41] <SpeedEvil> have gpsd only configured to read from a link that you make when you choose to?
[11:42] <Laurenceb> I think so
[11:42] <Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/EWzFS4Hp
[11:43] <Laurenceb> that script is reliably run from udev
[11:43] <Laurenceb> but it never spawns gpsd from line 65
[11:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4840076 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4840076
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[11:44] <Laurenceb> I'll change the location to /tmp/
[11:45] <Laurenceb> also comment out line40, I think it needs nmea GGA
[11:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4340408 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4340408
[11:47] <Laurenceb> nope no lock
[11:47] <Laurenceb> also when gps is unplugged /dev/ttyACM0 remains
[11:47] <Laurenceb> and then reading from it returns the last ubx packet
[11:47] <Laurenceb> shit
[11:48] <Laurenceb> then when I reconnect gps I get that last ubx packet interleaved with the data
[11:48] <Laurenceb> gpsd broke linux
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[11:49] <Laurenceb> embedded linux: not even once
[11:49] <Laurenceb> I'm going to guess that its gposd causing the issues
[11:50] <Laurenceb> never seen anything this broken with ttyACM on linux before
[11:50] <Laurenceb> wow
[11:55] <Laurenceb> I'll try the gpsd mailing list, doesnt look like there is much chance of this ever working tho :(
[12:14] <Laurenceb> ok I made some progress
[12:15] <Laurenceb> using /etc/init.d/gpsd start to start gpsd then passing the options via /etc/default/gpsd seems to solve the /dev/ttyACM0 issue
[12:16] <Laurenceb> and spawns the gpsd daemon correctly
[12:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KC0RPS-11 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC0RPS-11
[12:16] <Laurenceb> but it doesnt detect the gps
[12:22] <Laurenceb> gpsmon works but not gpsd
[12:23] <daveake> Do you have DEVICES="/dev/ttyACMO" in /etc/default/gpsd ?
[12:23] <daveake> Or try GPSD_OPTIONS="-G /dev/ttyACM0"
[12:23] <daveake> IIRC I had an issue once where the second worked but the first didn't
[12:23] <Laurenceb> ok I didnt have that
[12:23] <Laurenceb> what does -G do ?
[12:24] <daveake> Just like I said, in the gpsd config file
[12:24] <daveake> sry, dunno, can't remember :)
[12:24] <Laurenceb> k I'll try, but it wont always be ACM0
[12:24] <daveake> It's just in by notes of "how to get GPSD to actually work"
[12:24] <daveake> right
[12:24] <daveake> Some USB GPSs end up as ttyUSB0 instead
[12:27] <Laurenceb> hmm ok thanks
[12:27] <Laurenceb> but no luck
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[12:27] <Laurenceb> sudo gpsmon /dev/ttyACM0 works perfectly
[12:27] <Laurenceb> xgps is dead
[12:27] <Laurenceb> no incoming data
[12:29] <Laurenceb> maybe it is this problem https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=138711
[12:29] <Laurenceb> anyway time for some food, bbl
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[12:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KN4IUD-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KN4IUD-11
[12:58] <mwheeler> Darkside: still beating ADL on sonde launches :P
[12:59] <mwheeler> Really need to get the docklands tower radio running so we can pick it up before it leaves the ground :P
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[13:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ALMIGHTYGOD_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ALMIGHTYGOD_chase
[13:15] <Laurenceb> back
[13:16] <Laurenceb> ok so gpsmon is working but not gpsd
[13:16] <Laurenceb> if I had to guess I'd say ti was related to sockets
[13:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KE0OTF-13 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0OTF-13
[13:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2020133 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2020133
[13:40] <Laurenceb> anyone around?
[13:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0OTF-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0OTF-11
[14:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0410465 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0410465
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[14:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WA2MJM-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WA2MJM-1
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[14:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0OTF-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0OTF-12
[14:57] <fsphil> I bet you could code your own gpsd replacement quicker than configuring it correctly
[14:57] <daveake> +1
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[15:03] Action: dbrooke has deja vu - #highaltitude.2018-03-07.log:14:17 < dbrooke> gpsd is mostly about providing a device independent interface to the position data, I think that the device specific stuff you're trying is really just fighting with it
[15:18] <Laurenceb> wow fixed it... I think
[15:18] <Laurenceb> SUBSYSTEM=="tty", KERNEL=="ttyACM*", ATTRS{product}=="u-blox GNSS receiver", RUN+="/usr/local/bin/gps_config/gps_config.sh %k", SYMLINK+="ubloxgps", OPTIONS="last_rule"
[15:18] <Laurenceb> then DEVICES="/dev/ubloxgps" and GPSD_OPTIONS="-G -b -n" in /dev/default/gpsd
[15:18] <Laurenceb> and sleep 1 at start of config script
[15:20] <Laurenceb> I suspect gpsd shouldnt be connected directly to /dev/tty<whatever>
[15:20] <Laurenceb> the gpsd.rules file creates a simlink to gps<n>
[15:20] <Laurenceb> but as I only need a specific single ublox module, /dev/ubloxgps is ok for me
[15:21] <Laurenceb> also as my script shuts down gpsd as soon as it starts, adding a delay seems to prevent weirdness happening with gpsd when you plug in the receiver...
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[15:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SB2B - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SB2B
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[16:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3740577 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3740577
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[17:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HG8LXL after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HG8LXL
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[17:12] <Laurenceb> hmf
[17:12] <Laurenceb> I want to set ntpd with gpsd
[17:12] <Laurenceb> but there is a 1 second offset
[17:12] <Laurenceb> and I have recent gpsd
[17:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HG8PSL-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HG8PSL-12
[17:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HG8PSL-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HG8PSL-11
[17:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HG8LXL-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HG8LXL-12
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[17:19] <Laurenceb> perhaps I need the ubx time packet
[17:19] <Laurenceb> time to read the source O_o
[17:23] <Laurenceb> oh leapseconds.cache is a thing
[17:23] <Laurenceb> and line isnt up to date
[17:24] <Laurenceb> neither is gpsd... https://github.com/rnorris/gpsd/blob/master/leapseconds.cache
[17:24] <Laurenceb> seriously
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[18:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2350142 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2350142
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[18:52] <jacob_> Hello. I am nearly ready for my first launch and would appreciate someone just saying I wont make a mistake in my planning
[18:52] <jacob_> My total payload mass is approx 1050g. I have run the calculators and think an 800g balloon might be the best choice.
[18:52] <jacob_> For the parachute Im not sure which is best: 48 inch = 3.81m/s descent rate, 4ft = 4.26m/s, or 42inch = 4.36m/s?
[18:52] <SIbot> In real units: 4 ft = 1.22 m
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[18:57] <daveake> 36" would be fine
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[19:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0430126 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0430126
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[19:06] <jacob_> Thanks Dave, 36" gives 5.09 m/s descent rate. But I think I've read to aim for 3.5-4.5m/s for that?
[19:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS15 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS15
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[19:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-18 after 0315 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-18
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[20:00] <daveake> jacob_: Normally aim for about 5m/s
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[20:04] <jacob_> Ok so the 36" is better to use than 42". And is a 5m/s ascent rate correct?
[20:07] <daveake> Yeah generally people go for 5 up 5 down. Sometimes worth changing to alter the landing position, but those are good average figures.
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[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4020451 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4020451
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[23:24] <Laurenceb__> arg gpsd
[23:24] <Laurenceb__> I _think_ it works now
[23:25] <Laurenceb__> had to add "gpspipe -r -n 6" to the udev hotplug script
[23:27] <Laurenceb__> so many nasty bugfixes :S
[23:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4811014 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4811014
[23:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3710040 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3710040
[23:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ALMIGHTYGOD_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ALMIGHTYGOD_chase
[23:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0520226 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0520226
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