highaltitude.log.20180602

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[00:05] <Ian_> !whereis HIRFW-6
[00:05] <SpacenearUS> 03Ian_: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03Karakiya District, Kazakhstan 10(42.48107,52.96215) at 0312999 meters about 039 hours ago
[00:08] <fsphil> how long hsa that thing been up there now?
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[00:12] <Laurenceb_> http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a183786.pdf
[00:13] <Laurenceb_> fsphil: approaching 2 years
[00:17] <Ian_> The averaging of the altitude at 12999 metres seems to be a reoccurring thing . . .
[00:18] <Laurenceb_> its rounding from the WSPR import script
[00:18] <Ian_> Can we grep the logs for HIRFW-6, other than one day at a time
[00:21] <Ian_> [01:18] <Laurenceb_> its rounding from the WSPR import script . . .<Ian_ it's maybe rounder than I would expect . . . :)
[00:21] <Ian_> consistently
[00:21] <Laurenceb_> there is an off by one error somewhere
[00:21] <Laurenceb_> its supposed to be in km aiui
[00:22] <Laurenceb_> but gets mangled in the script
[00:23] <Laurenceb_> as the import happens via APRS emulation
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[00:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2330495 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2330495
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[01:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03mg169706_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=mg169706_chase
[01:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W8VPC-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W8VPC-9
[01:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS13 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS13
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[04:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-19 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-19
[04:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4130520 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4130520
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[05:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0610135 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0610135
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[05:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0850369 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0850369
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[07:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-20 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-20
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[09:02] <Pravin> ideas for a cross band repeater (light weight) for a 1200gr balloon flight ?
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[09:14] <Darkside> yep.
[09:15] <Darkside> done that...
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[09:16] <ZS5LT_1> ideas for a cross band repeater (light weight) for a 1200gr balloon flight ?
[09:16] <Darkside> yeah, i've done that before
[09:16] <Darkside> i think it ended up around 400g or so
[09:16] <Darkside> wired 2x Dorji DRA818 modules together
[09:17] <ZS5LT_1> i was thinking of that, how was the comms throught the flight?
[09:17] <Darkside> the dorji modules were not amazing
[09:17] <Darkside> we had a duplexer with a preamp on the RX path in front
[09:18] <Darkside> but the dorji module appeared to be locked onto narrowband mode, and annoingly if the modulation was too high, it would open the mute
[09:18] <Darkside> so... we had to ask everyone to talk quietly :P
[09:19] <ZS5LT_1> lol; i have 2 Baofeng UV5R , that i want to strip down , the RX radio will use power from the TX radio. Power level set to about 1W.
[09:20] <ZS5LT_1> But the weight is an issue the radio and battery weighs in at almost 800gr.
[09:21] <Darkside> https://photos.app.goo.gl/BusUNtprQfwWPEQ63
[09:21] <ZS5LT_1> nice setup. very neat.
[09:22] <Darkside> but yeah, the lack of control over the radio modules was a pain
[09:24] <ZS5LT_1> i see there was no low pass filters on the TX, it is a know issue that the Dorji modules do weird things when the low pass filter is not fitted.
[09:27] <ZS5LT_1> also an arduino module in the setup may help. I have built a 16 channel radio with repeater mode for a friend, he is close to one of our repeaters, with a clean power supply and also the low pass filters, he has been having fun.
[09:27] <Darkside> eh?
[09:27] <Darkside> oh, the duplexer board in those pictures isnt the actual one that was floenn
[09:28] <Darkside> the one that was flown had appropriate filtering on both RX and TX
[09:30] <ZS5LT_1> thanks @darkside i will go back to the experiment with the 2 Dorji. i will do some intensive groundside testing to get through the faults.
[09:31] <ZS5LT_1> there has been a lot of local interest in flying a cross band repeater, on our next flight i want to include this.
[09:31] <ZS5LT_1> BTW, did the repeater affect your telemetry at all?
[09:32] <ZS5LT_1> As I will be using UHF telemetry, the cross band will RX UHF and TX VHF.
[09:35] <Darkside> we did the reverse
[09:35] <Darkside> had all transmitters on 70cm
[09:41] <ZS5LT_1> did you have any issues with the telemetry?
[09:41] <Darkside> no, as it was all downlink
[09:42] <Darkside> well, we did have one receiver on 431.650 MHz, but that was far enough away from the repeater output (both in frequency, and physically), that it wasn't a problem
[09:43] <ZS5LT_1> i will consider that. thank you
[09:48] <Darkside> i think we had maybe 15m vertical separation
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[09:53] <ZS5LT_1> that vertical separation was more than the required distance. thats cool. I will experiment with the ARROW duplexer as well as 2 separate antenna on the cross band repeater.
[09:59] <Darkside> yeah i used a single antenna
[09:59] <Darkside> we didnt have issues with signal strength, thats for sure
[09:59] <Darkside> it was more the deviation issues
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[10:02] <ZS5LT_1> tx. chat later.
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[10:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4130521 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4130521
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[11:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3740006 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3740006
[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3640495 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3640495
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[11:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3820374 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3820374
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[11:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[12:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0850370 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0850370
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[12:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_mwheeler_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_mwheeler_chase
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[12:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 039 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[12:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4250464 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4250464
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[12:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03xxzzcc_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=xxzzcc_chase
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[12:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2310112 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2310112
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[14:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE7RQW-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE7RQW-9
[14:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03IU2JWG-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IU2JWG-12
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[15:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG7VSN-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG7VSN-12
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[15:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PSV - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PSV
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[15:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG5UEE-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG5UEE-11
[15:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W7TVY-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7TVY-12
[15:59] <fabhab> Hello, I have more doubts and uncertainties: I now have a working pits and am receiving RTTY with a simple SDR dongle and LoRa with a Pi3 and a pigtail coax. I have seen that with the receiver in my back garden I don't have much range at all (maybe 500m). I would like to avoid buying expensive radio receivers: can I upgrade by using a yagi antenna?
[15:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SSTAR0241 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SSTAR0241
[15:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VE2ZDK-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2ZDK-12
[15:59] <fabhab> Is it best to use a yagi for the SDR dongle or the LoRa receiver?
[16:00] <fabhab> I am also not sure about the use of a fixed base receiver as I plan to launch about 100miles away from our school as we are in london.
[16:00] <daveake> In that case, put your energies into the chase car setup
[16:01] <fabhab> ok
[16:01] <daveake> So 1) magmount for the roof, 2) small Yagi in case you need it after landing 3) HABAmp between aerial and SDR
[16:01] <daveake> Should be sorted with those
[16:05] <fabhab> I got a mini mag mount from Maplin(!) yesterday. It says UHF will that do the trick? It is called Mitex
[16:06] <fabhab> Can I make my own Yagi? Does that attach to the SDR? Does the signal peak give you the direction with the Yagi?
[16:07] <daveake> There are some online designs for a Yagi, yes
[16:08] <fabhab> any suggestions.. :)
[16:08] <daveake> Nope, I just bought one; life's too short to mess around making one, IMO
[16:08] <daveake> For the magmount ... dunno, does it give a frequency range?
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[16:11] <fabhab> no it says UHF range
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[16:14] <fabhab> http://mitex.co.uk/mitex-uhf-magmount-antenna-p-56.html
[16:14] <fabhab> For the yagi antenna what characteristics must I look for?
[16:19] <daveake> 70cm/434MHz. Small.
[16:22] <fabhab> ok. thanks.
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[16:24] <mfa298> fabhab: that page says it's designed for PMR446 so it's probably slightly out for a HAB payload (but would probably do better than the little antennas you get with most RTL-SDRs)
[16:26] <mfa298> UHF is quite a broad range, anything between 300MHz and 3GHz can be called UHF
[16:28] <fabhab> UHF is broad: yes that is why I find all this confusing. So many standards to know about.
[16:29] <mfa298> as daveake said, you want to look for things aimed at the 70cm/434MHz range. (at least PMR446 is only slightly higher than 434)
[16:32] <fabhab> ..but the antenna is slightly longer 15cm rather than 12cm I thought that meant lower frequency...
[16:33] <mfa298> roughtly shorter antenna means higher frequency
[16:35] <mfa298> 300/MHz gives a decent approximation for wavelength in meters (so 300/434 = 0.6912 - hence why the band is known as 70cms)
[16:35] <mfa298> a simple antenna like that is probably a 1/4 wave (so 0.6912/4 = .1728)
[16:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KA7NSR-6 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KA7NSR-6
[16:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KA7NSR-7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KA7NSR-7
[16:37] <mfa298> and electricity isn't quite as fast in wire as it is in a vacum (the 300 value above is speed of light in a vacuum with some zeros removed to work at meters and MHz)
[16:37] <mfa298> so that velocity factor is where the 16.4cm length you'll have seen recommended comes from.
[16:38] <mfa298> 1/4 wave for a PMR446 antennas will be 15.98cm - so close enough for hab use.
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[16:41] <fabhab> ok thanks. v=f lambda.. yes that is what I meant.
[16:41] <mfa298> the 12cm antenna (presumably what came with the rtlsdr) will be a 1/4 wave for 594MHz - so around various TV frequencies, which is what those dongles were originally designed for.
[16:42] <fabhab> good all clear now
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[16:47] <fabhab> Still confusd about RTTY and LoRa: which one for the mag mount or just either? I can only understand putting the Yagi onto the SDR where I can see the change in peak height on the SDR window of the computer
[16:48] <mfa298> you'll need both receivers connected to an antenna to use them. You could potentially use a splitter in the cable to connect both to a single antenna but that will have a bit of loss.
[16:49] <fabhab> ok so both need a mag mount for chasing?
[16:50] <fabhab> ie: it would be best
[16:50] <mfa298> if you want to use both they need to connect to an antenna. That could either be two antennas, or something like antenna, LNA, splitter, 2x rx. (or try without the LNA and see how it goes)
[16:51] <fabhab> Ok LNA is the same as Dave mentioned the HABamp?
[16:52] <mfa298> yes
[16:52] <mfa298> Habamb has an LNA (Amplifier) and filter in a single box
[16:52] <fabhab> ok. I am such a newby I spend half the time trying to understand the language :D
[16:53] <fabhab> For Yagi: https://www.radioworld.co.uk/sandpiper-6-element-70cm-yagi-beam-antenna?gclid=Cj0KCQjwgMnYBRDRARIsANC2dfl9KmQ9k-nqucfsSB2C2qq1bygWtLnvywmK3RhrRdhGAF2pdNdtqJgaApQgEALw_wcB
[16:53] <fabhab> something like this?
[17:03] <fabhab> Thank you all. That was all very helpful. You are invalueable! Bye
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[17:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE8JRN-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE8JRN-11
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[17:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2130054 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2130054
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[17:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG7VSN-15 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG7VSN-15
[17:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0650554 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0650554
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[18:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-11 after 03a month silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-11
[18:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[19:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB9SKY-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB9SKY-11
[19:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC9LHW-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9LHW-11
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[20:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2420485 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2420485
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[21:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KG5IFR after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG5IFR
[21:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-18 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-18
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[21:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD2KDD-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2KDD-11
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[23:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4250465 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4250465
[23:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3610465 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3610465
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3730914 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3730914
[23:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3650516 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3650516
[23:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0610127 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0610127
[23:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3820375 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3820375
[23:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS13 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS13
[23:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[23:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0910011 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0910011
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[23:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3710424 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3710424
[23:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M4544136 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M4544136
[23:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2420484 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2420484
[00:00] --- Sun Jun 3 2018