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[00:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03IZ_XBEE - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IZ_XBEE
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[00:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4710206 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4710206
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[03:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_DFM09-619348 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_DFM09-619348
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[04:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0930451 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0930451
[05:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4840280 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4840280
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[05:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4620385 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4620385
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[06:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3740060 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3740060
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[07:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-18 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-18
[07:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS13 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS13
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[08:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PILOTS-BL after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PILOTS-BL
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[08:27] <PE2BZ> !flights
[08:27] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03BoSS II 10(40e3), 03Zeeland HAB 10(6d45)
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[08:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M2243327 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M2243327
[08:48] <xfcex> hey hey
[08:50] <xfcex> Does anyone have schematics of this leo bodnar baloon circuits? https://ukamsat.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/sp3osj-pico-balloon-payload.jpg
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[08:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BoSSII after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BoSSII
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[09:01] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> xfcex: never made public
[09:02] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> here is a similar lauout http://www.om3bc.com/docs/payload/payload_en.html
[09:02] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> I have made eagles files from them if you like
[09:03] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> and flown a couple of them with great success
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[09:03] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> lats one flown https://micked.imgur.com/all/
[09:03] Nick change: matthias -> Matthias
[09:04] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> wrong pic, here we go https://micked.imgur.com/all/
[09:05] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> gahh https://imgur.com/HLpNBBO
[09:05] <xfcex> Mike-SA6BSS|2 what a pitty.. I think that leo made very good design
[09:06] <xfcex> nice work, looks great
[09:06] <PE2BZ> Mike goodmorning how difficult is it to solder the si4463, lets´s say compared to the gps module ?
[09:06] <craag> almost like it's his day job ;)
[09:07] <xfcex> Mike-SA6BSS|2 you used atmel + ublox gps modue.. and what about the transmitter?
[09:08] <xfcex> do you relay only on solar power or do you also installed battery or supercap?
[09:08] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> the radio (si4463) is realy easy to solder with solderpaste and hotaor soldering
[09:08] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> solar only, no battery or SC
[09:09] <xfcex> chips are easy to solder.. just use solder paste + hot air or oven
[09:09] <fsphil> "easy". smd can be a bit of a pain at times too
[09:10] <xfcex> Mike-SA6BSS|2 niceee :D I would like to make somethin similar in near foture... doesn si 4463 needs amplifier? I'm not familiar in RF, I'm good in programming and I can make circuits :D
[09:10] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> Im running it at below 10mW ond gets lots of hit outside LOS
[09:10] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> at 144Mhz
[09:10] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> the si4463 can do 100mW
[09:11] <xfcex> fsphil i preffer smd, you just place and heat them... :D but yes 0402 is problem :D
[09:11] <xfcex> uf 100mW nice
[09:11] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> I abandoned 0402 and only using 0603
[09:11] <xfcex> you mee to
[09:12] <xfcex> 0603 is just fine but 0805 are to big and they take to much place :D
[09:12] <xfcex> Mike-SA6BSS|2 my last commercial product: https://www.plantray.com/
[09:13] <xfcex> Mike-SA6BSS|2 if your design open? Do you have geo fence feature?
[09:13] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> yes and 0402 is so small that even a charp tweezer is to big
[09:14] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> its not my fw, its om3bc
[09:14] <xfcex> and you dont have number on it
[09:14] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> if you like to play around with the eagle files Il send them to you
[09:15] <xfcex> Mike-SA6BSS|2 here is my SMD tape cuting an marking machine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqRvP0-QI5g
[09:15] <xfcex> we made kit komplets with electronic association in slovenia :D
[09:17] <xfcex> <Mike-SA6BSS|2 if you are willing to: andrej.nastran@gmail.com
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[09:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4620190 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4620190
[09:31] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> sorry neighbor came over
[09:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[09:34] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> if you going comercial you better contact Jozef on his qrz adress
[09:34] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> files on their way
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[09:36] <xfcex> no i would not make commercial circuit for ballon :D this is hobby :D
[09:36] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> :)
[09:37] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> and now phone call....
[09:37] <xfcex> hm what kind of material leo used so the ballon last 1 y in atmosfere
[09:37] <xfcex> :)
[09:38] <xfcex> Mike-SA6BSS|2 nothing to worry about :) where you came from?
[09:40] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> pi int the sky and wb8elk APRS Skytrackers + https://www.tracksoar.com/ and there is another comercail kit around that I cant remember the name of,
[09:41] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> leo flew a sushi plastic :) the name of the plastic PA-EVOH-PE
[09:42] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> you can buy a sbs 13 from http://www.scientificballoonsolutions.com/products/
[09:42] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> leo made his own from PA-EVOH-PE plastic
[09:43] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> the fw is geo loaction controlled and change aprs fre qccoringly
[09:44] <xfcex> wow pricy :) 129.00 USD for the ballon
[09:45] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> my current balloon have been up 40 days now (BSS213
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[09:45] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> BSS13
[09:45] <xfcex> PA-EVOH-PE interesting.. it's amazin that it keeps helium one year inside..
[09:45] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> with a 1.50$ balloon
[09:46] <xfcex> nice, what kind of baloon is it?
[09:46] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> aadamsons is up to 19-20 month in the air on his sbs13
[09:46] <xfcex> BSS13 over Japan :D
[09:46] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/24-Inch-1pcs-Clear-Foil-Balloons-Transparent-Aluminum-Balloon-Wedding-Birthday-Party-Decorations-Balon-Globos/32699218436.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.snMJfQ
[09:47] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> yeah, it have gone camping there for the last week or so, moving realy slow
[09:47] <xfcex> nice, how many grams of lift?
[09:47] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> and looping
[09:47] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> 3-4
[09:47] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> 5.8 gram payload
[09:48] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> relay did not get all the air out, shouls be up in high 9k
[09:48] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> meters
[09:48] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> files sent, disregard the powersupply its not working well
[09:49] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> im in and out , dinner time....
[09:50] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> prestreach two of the balloon to 0,6 ps and with a sub 8gram payload you get to +11000m
[09:51] <xfcex> so many informations, thats great! I'll made it
[09:51] <xfcex> Mike-SA6BSS|2 are you from sweden?
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[09:54] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> yes
[09:56] <xfcex> Mike-SA6BSS|2 is this SM3ULC a receiver ballon?
[09:57] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> bss13 is wspr ballon tx on 14Mhz
[09:58] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> he runs a script transforming the telemtry with script and push that to aprs.fi and habhub
[09:58] <xfcex> on 14 mhz... so is very long range?
[09:58] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> yes
[09:58] <xfcex> around the globe? :D
[09:58] <xfcex> nice work!
[09:58] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> usuly get a couple of 10000km every day, longets is +17500km
[09:58] <xfcex> wich RF chip is used?
[09:58] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> si5351
[09:58] <bertrik> and what kind of antenna?
[09:59] <xfcex> hehe 100m long :D
[09:59] <xfcex> lol
[09:59] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> dipole 5.11m up to the ballon and 5,11m hanging down with th tx in the middle
[09:59] <xfcex> Mike-SA6BSS|2, nice!
[09:59] <xfcex> any photos?
[10:01] <xfcex> Mike-SA6BSS|2 this is the receiver? http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/new-equipment/wspr-receiver-20m-kit-rk-20/
[10:06] <xfcex> this realy amazing!
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[10:08] <PE2BZ> xfcex that image is ¨a receiver¨ for wspr. All wspr receivers worldwide their data is scanned by SM3ULC and when any balloon wspr is reported he takes care of the location on the Habhub tracker. So, the receiver is not flying around
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[10:11] <PE2BZ> You can see how wspr and the reports work on my websdr if you like ? http://109.109.112.170:8073/ then right menu, choose extensions, then wspr
[10:11] <PE2BZ> Then in the left menu chooste 20m as band
[10:18] <xfcex> hmm wov nice
[10:18] <xfcex> SDR on web?
[10:19] <PE2BZ> Yes
[10:19] <xfcex> and what hw do you use?
[10:19] <PE2BZ> KiwiSDR 0 - 30 MHz with 1/4 wave 26 MHz groundplane, at my job , 15 m asl
[10:20] <xfcex> I can't find the "right menu"
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[10:20] <PE2BZ> That´s the ¨menu screen¨ with the frequency, right to that there is ¨extension¨ pulldown
[10:21] <xfcex> a found it
[10:22] <PE2BZ> You are currently tuned to 15.198 MHz in AM
[10:22] <xfcex> Yes I hear the radio :D
[10:22] <xfcex> this can use only one user per once?
[10:22] <PE2BZ> If in wspr menu you choose band 20 m it tunes to the wspr center frequency
[10:22] <xfcex> you are located in Netherlands?
[10:23] <xfcex> I'll try it
[10:23] <PE2BZ> No, 4 users max, yes I am in the Netherlands
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[10:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-17 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-17
[10:24] <xfcex> hmm PE2BZ so you actually can
[10:24] <xfcex> receive on different bands simultaneously
[10:25] <xfcex> I must read about wspr how it acctualy works
[10:26] <xfcex> so if I would have transmitter I could test it now :D
[10:26] <xfcex> so baudrate is pretty slow?
[10:27] <PE2BZ> veeeeerrrrryyyyyy ssssllllloooowwwww ;-)
[10:27] <xfcex> hehe 50 bits/s
[10:27] <xfcex> nice! :D
[10:27] <xfcex> so data compression is important
[10:27] <PE2BZ> BOSSII is up at the moment
[10:27] <xfcex> so I actualy see the bits?
[10:27] <xfcex> on upper screen?
[10:27] <PE2BZ> Indeed
[10:27] <xfcex> nice :D
[10:27] <fsphil> 50 bits/s is not slow if you're only sending positions :)
[10:28] <xfcex> 50 bits/s
[10:28] <xfcex> yes...
[10:28] <xfcex> 8 bit is one letter
[10:28] <fsphil> well, maybe
[10:28] <xfcex> you maybe need 10 letters for full positon
[10:28] <fsphil> if it's rtty then it's at least 10 bits per character
[10:29] <PE2BZ> And every now and then I check wspr.net to see if I have reported any of the wspr HAB flights :-)
[10:29] <xfcex> so what happens if there is mulitple transmitters on that band?
[10:29] <xfcex> wow already two decoded
[10:30] <xfcex> so I can put this on my cat and track it on long distances :D
[10:30] <fsphil> I lie, it's at least 7 bits per character if you use baudot encoding
[10:30] <fsphil> but nobody does that
[10:31] <hopej2> it looks like the ukhas webserver is down: https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[10:31] <PE2BZ> nobody lies ?
[10:31] <xfcex> PE2BZ
[10:31] <fsphil> I always lie ... wait,..
[10:31] <PE2BZ> Now that´s a problem....
[10:31] <xfcex> PE2BZ so what happens if there is mulitple transmitters on that band?
[10:32] <PE2BZ> As you see, there are :-) but check the frequency and notice the difference which seems to make them all decodable.
[10:33] <fsphil> frequency clashes are quite rare
[10:33] <PE2BZ> You could run a shortwave receiver or sdr at your loaction with wspr software and time sync and report your own location and received stations.
[10:33] <fsphil> oh wspr
[10:34] <xfcex> PE2BZ so you have this http://kiwisdr.com/
[10:34] <PE2BZ> softly in my ear
[10:34] <PE2BZ> Yes. Actually, I have two :-)
[10:34] <PE2BZ> Bounced when ordering....
[10:34] <xfcex> look like worth of buying
[10:34] <PE2BZ> China mail with no import taxes
[10:35] <PE2BZ> Now I have bought the moRFeus mixer and can run one with the mixer from 400 - 432 MHz to the kiwisdr
[10:36] <xfcex> PE2BZ how much is this kit?
[10:36] <PE2BZ> which ? the kiwisdr ?
[10:36] <xfcex> youp
[10:37] <PE2BZ> http://wimo.com/kiwisdr_receiver_webradio_e.html
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[10:37] <xfcex> Standard message components after lossless compression:
[10:37] <xfcex> 28 bits for callsign,
[10:37] <xfcex> 15 bits for locator,
[10:37] <xfcex> 7 bits for power level,
[10:37] <xfcex> total: 50 bits.
[10:38] <xfcex> hoho great, I'll buy it on my company :)
[10:38] <PE2BZ> That´s why I like my wife to have a company. And she likes me :-)
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[10:39] <xfcex> hehe :D
[10:39] <fsphil> 50 bits per 2 minutes isn't it?
[10:39] <xfcex> so this is standar packed for wspr
[10:39] <xfcex> can I do my own one?
[10:40] <fsphil> ah there it is, 1.4648 symbols/sec
[10:40] <fsphil> sooo slow
[10:40] <fsphil> nothing stopping you, but wspr has the advantage of a huge number of receiver stations
[10:41] <xfcex> youp but I cant send any of my data?
[10:42] <PE2BZ> Do you have radio amateur license ?
[10:42] <PE2BZ> !dial BOSSII
[10:43] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03BoSS II 10(40e3): 03434.65 MHz, 434.3 MHz, 434.3004 MHz, 434.3005 MHz
[10:43] <xfcex> PE2BZ yes :D
[10:43] <xfcex> but almost never used in practice
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[10:44] <PE2BZ> You can transmit wspr than. Even with a Raspberry Pi and a bandpassfilter, on a GPIO pin
[10:45] <xfcex> lol bandpassfilter, on a GPIO pin that crazy :D lol
[10:45] <xfcex> i heard about it.. you just use PWM or what?
[10:46] <PE2BZ> Have tested it once, on the 10 meter band, and was received over 900 km, transmitting into a indoor CB antenna
[10:46] <xfcex> wspr protocol?
[10:46] <xfcex> that crazy
[10:46] <xfcex> that is crazy.. oh my english :D I'm slow
[10:47] <xfcex> so ballon reproting has own packet protocol? not hise used in wspr?
[10:47] <xfcex> *not like thise used in wspr?
[10:48] <xfcex> looks like that frequency on your location is empty?
[10:49] <PE2BZ> The balloon uses the wspr protocol, that way it has a large number of possible receivers.
[10:50] <PE2BZ> Which frequency is empty ?
[10:52] <xfcex> this wspr on web SDR, it doesn't receive anything now
[10:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0930469 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0930469
[10:54] <PE2BZ> Looks like a matter of band conditions and stations available :-)
[10:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VPK-kosmos - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VPK-kosmos
[10:56] <xfcex> hm probably
[10:57] <xfcex> hm how ballon reports info to wspr? is different packer format or it just sends standar wspr only locator and call sign?
[11:05] <xfcex> !dial bss13
[11:05] <SpacenearUS> 03xfcex: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:06] <xfcex> hm I'll ask mike when he comes back.. what kind of protocul he uses for wspr
[11:06] <xfcex> :D
[11:07] <xfcex> ups
[11:08] <xfcex> PE2BZ so you say is now bad rf propagation so your SDR does not receive anything right now?
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[11:14] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> xfcex: http://www.qrp-labs.com/flights/s4.html
[11:14] <PE2BZ> !payload bss13
[11:14] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:14] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> at the bottom its explaind Special WSPR telemetry protocol
[11:14] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> il be back in acouple of hours
[11:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03JORIS after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JORIS
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[11:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3630203 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3630203
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[11:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3940207 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3940207
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[11:24] <PE2G> !flights
[11:24] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Current flights: 03BoSS II 10(40e3), 03Zeeland HAB 10(6d45)
[11:24] <PE2G> !dial 40e3
[11:24] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03BoSS II 10(40e3): 03434.30118 MHz, 434.65 MHz, 434.3004 MHz, 434.3 MHz, 434.2995 MHz, 434.3002 MHz, 434.405 MHz
[11:24] <PE2G> !dial 6d45
[11:24] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03JORIS 10(6d45): 03434.19521 MHz
[11:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3710301 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3710301
[11:36] <xfcex> lol
[11:36] <xfcex> it's quite abused protocol to put ballon telemetry in there :D
[11:44] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> the have a balloon telemetfy filter in place on wsprnet
[11:45] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> look at their map
[11:45] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> its realy a fantaIc feature the creator of wspr never thought about :)
[11:46] <xfcex> but only for 20 ballons at once?
[11:46] <xfcex> :D
[11:46] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> well, realy 100 if you chare evdry 10min slots
[11:47] <fsphil> I wonder if we can convince him to add a second wspr mode, slightly larger packet size with an extra user-defined payload :)
[11:48] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> im i the car via teamviwer, imextra bad spelldrnow :)
[11:48] <xfcex> lol africa in complete darkness http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/map
[11:48] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> s africa have quite a few
[11:49] <xfcex> lol :D this is not safe mike :D
[11:49] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> sixe driving lol
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[11:49] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> wife that is
[11:49] <xfcex> who is sixie? btw this is good internet connection
[11:49] <xfcex> a wife :) nice
[11:50] <xfcex> so wspr is a very good but baudrate is very limited.. :)
[11:50] <xfcex> *is very good :D
[11:50] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> shes named Katarina, its autowrong on the pho e corfecting
[11:51] <xfcex> o nice name.. in Slovenia we use this name a lot :) it's quite popular :)
[11:51] <fsphil> autowrong :)
[11:52] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> cerenly is not auto correct
[11:53] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> picnic ti.e, im of. bbl
[11:53] <xfcex> no wspr beacons in slovenia I see :)
[11:54] <xfcex> Mike-SA6BSS|2 does BSS13 mean that is on channel 13? :D
[11:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5HS-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5HS-9_chase
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[12:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4750082 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4750082
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[12:26] <xfcex> however if I make custom wspr packet and modify like KiwiSDR it will work fine
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[12:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2430034 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2430034
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[13:27] <habby> Is UKHAS.org down?
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[13:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PILOTS-GR after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PILOTS-GR
[13:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[13:32] <craag> habby: Yes unfortunately. Admins will be taking a look when theeyhey get a chance :)
[13:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD0ZTV-2 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0ZTV-2
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[13:40] <Cellectronic> help
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[14:17] <Graham_G3VZV> BoSSII landed at 14:15:10 UTC
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[14:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RISH360 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RISH360
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[15:42] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> xfcex: BSS13 is the 13:th wspr balloon I fly with the BSS from my call
[15:43] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> you can see it on http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/map with my call sa6bss
[15:44] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> its sleeping now hopefully it will wake up around 11pm tonigt
[15:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SHOGUN_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SHOGUN_chase
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[16:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS13 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS13
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[16:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SSTAR0240 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SSTAR0240
[16:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VE4GMK-8 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE4GMK-8
[16:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD7ICN-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD7ICN-11
[16:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG7QNS-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG7QNS-11
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[17:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3730185 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3730185
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[17:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03IU2JWG - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IU2JWG
[17:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 037860_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=7860_chase
[17:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL6OW - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL6OW
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[17:23] <DL6OW> Hi , can an admin please confirm my flight doc ebffd24e2ead82823a13252a3c13a460 regatds. dan
[17:23] <Mike-SA6BSS|2> paste doc in #habhub and wait for an admin
[17:24] Nick change: Mike-SA6BSS|2 -> Mike-SA6BSS
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[17:34] <morinmau> hello everybody, i have a quick question on rtty decoding in dl-fldigi
[17:35] <morinmau> when i decode a signal, before the rtty sentence (so before $$<callsign>) i always have alfanumeric 'garbage' on the screen ...
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[17:37] <morinmau> apparently, the decoding is ok, green color and checksum ok, but lines are never clean one after the other .. does anybody know of a possible reason ?
[17:38] <morinmau> btw, I use HDSDR as input and I tried several squelch in place but without any improvement
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[17:39] <morinmau> example follows:
[17:40] <morinmau> Ip]otZ<nwZ2Mcy~Zz2$$$IU2JWG,160,173954,45.48129,9.11820,136,25,3.10,7,1105,0,80*232D
[17:41] <morinmau> C7!&W6xfihY[{(y$$$IU2JWG,159,173940,45.48127,9.11817,137,25,3.14,7,1098,0,80*BE94
[17:41] <morinmau> {UWf1&$Ak.35(]@$$$IU2JWG,164,174053,45.48136,9.11825,139,25,3.14,8,1134,0,80*67D8
[17:41] <morinmau> and so on ...
[17:42] <Ian_> I think that prior to the start of each telemetry message, there may be a period of non-transmission and dl_fldigi will have difficulty as it tries to decode the noise.
[17:43] <morinmau> Hello Ian, so this thing happens to other user as well ?
[17:43] <Ian_> It is fairly traditional to radiate a short holding Mark signal before the data proper starts, so that the dl_fldigi receiver is stable before reception of the fist character.
[17:43] <morinmau> i mean, is it a standard rtty decoding behaviour ?
[17:45] <Ian_> I guess so, some more than others. It depends upon how much noise there is around the signal. You 'may' be able to help yourself by reducing the rx gain slightly, but there are no guarantees. By definition noise can be Mark, Space or Both at the same time, so it's a bit of a lottery.
[17:46] <Ian_> If you listen to the RTTY signal, what baud speed by the way?, you will hear the loss of RTTY and probably the noise between telemetry messages
[17:48] <Ian_> Effectively near silence will give dl_fldigi the information that there is no signal and so it won't try to decode, but noise falling into the tone filters (virtual) will tend to indicate that dl_fldigi should be decoding and it will do it's best ... the rest is history of course.
[17:49] <Ian_> Hope that helps you to understand the problem. Sorry, but the fix is largely with you, unless someone has a solid technique to offer up.
[17:50] <Mike-SA6BSS> it should be like that, nothing to worry about, thats how it sgould behave
[17:50] <Ian_> You can imagine back in the day when a teleprinter/TTY on the end of a radio circuit would chatter away like a lunatic when the signal went down and the holding Mark was lost between messages.
[17:51] <Mike-SA6BSS> you could raise the squelch but that would mean you probably miss decodes when it gets furthe away - lower siganl
[17:51] <Ian_> That's also why the message has a start $$$ and effectively ends at the * and checksum.
[17:53] <Ian_> I agree, take the noise and let dl_fldigi decide when the data is good. Shame about the noise, but that's life.
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[18:07] <morinmau> ok many thanks guys !
[18:08] <morinmau> @Ian baud speed 75
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[18:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RCMGB_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RCMGB_chase
[18:35] <xfcex> Mike-SA6BSS if i understant correctly the callsign of the ballon is dinamic and changes with data, only constant is first letter 0
[18:36] <Mike-SA6BSS> first and third
[18:36] <Mike-SA6BSS> I send regular call and then extened call
[18:38] <xfcex> i dont get it, ballon send normal call and then extended with telemetry?
[18:39] <Ian_> As long as the system knows what's what :)
[18:40] <Mike-SA6BSS> yes
[18:40] <Mike-SA6BSS> first like sa6bss 13
[18:40] <Mike-SA6BSS> 13
[18:40] <Mike-SA6BSS> 13dbm and locator
[18:41] <Ian_> morinmau yep, at 75 Baud you should hear the RTTY signal tones when they are radiating and can understand what is happening from what has been said earlier.
[18:41] <Mike-SA6BSS> 4 letter locator
[18:41] <Mike-SA6BSS> then extended with fill in 6 fig locatorr , altitude batteru and temeperature
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[18:50] <morinmau> Ian, listening to the rtty signal, there's absolutely nothing (no sound, no noise) between two transmission ... so, when digi is outputting the 'garbage' i can't hear anything from the tx ... very strange
[18:53] <Mike-SA6BSS> its going to decode whatever it hears, nothing is realy quiet, remember its a 1930th techniqe
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[19:00] <xfcex> Mike-SA6BSS all clear now :) great :)
[19:01] <Mike-SA6BSS> :)
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[19:03] <xfcex> Mike-SA6BSS what is the main reason that you can decode wspr with low noise/signal ratio?
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[19:04] <xfcex> hm wspr could be gread for animal tracking device
[19:05] Action: PE2BZ is imagining his parrot with 2 times 5 meter wspr antenna wire
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[19:08] <xfcex> PE2BZ :D probably is there option to make a small antenaa... like one for DCF time signal
[19:08] <PE2BZ> That´s RX only : -) If you can make a TX antenna for 137 kHz that size :-)
[19:09] <xfcex> hm..
[19:10] <xfcex> 20m / 4 = 5m.. indeed :) quite long antenna
[19:11] <xfcex> it could go with the brown bear :D
[19:12] <xfcex> PE2BZ what kind of antenna do you use for SDR?
[19:12] <PE2BZ> I use a brown bear. With two wires ;-)
[19:13] <PE2BZ> You mean the kiwi SDR ? I have 3 web sdr´s running, you know :-)
[19:13] <xfcex> hey seriously :D
[19:13] <PE2BZ> The kiwisdr runs on a 1/4 wave pager antenna for 26 MHz
[19:13] <xfcex> a nice
[19:13] <xfcex> you can send me links and I'll play around if you willing to :)
[19:14] <PE2BZ> Maybe in the nearbye future I will move it to a rural area. My parents in law do have fiber now :-)
[19:14] <xfcex> uh what is baudrate?
[19:14] <xfcex> for websdr?
[19:15] <xfcex> I also live in rural area and i have fiber :D
[19:15] <xfcex> 100/100mbit :D
[19:16] <PE2BZ> That´s good enough. For 3 websdr´s with 4 receivers I can do with 6Mbit.
[19:16] <Mike-SA6BSS> haaa, so cool playing with the osmo-fl2k tx;ing fm radio across the room :)
[19:16] <PE2BZ> Is that the USB to VGA ?
[19:16] <Mike-SA6BSS> next up is gps spoofing, have a couple of gps I want to test on high altitude performance
[19:16] <Mike-SA6BSS> yes
[19:17] <PE2BZ> It´s on my todo list. 3 modules arrived yesterday. But I am looking for the best Windows GNURadio solution
[19:18] <Mike-SA6BSS> this is plug and play https://wiki.gnuradio.org/index.php/GNU_Radio_Live_SDR_Environment
[19:19] <Mike-SA6BSS> works oob
[19:19] <Mike-SA6BSS> just follow the wiki and install a few thing and your up
[19:20] <xfcex> Mike-SA6BSS is possible to spoof gps signal with this? I read about GPS and is quite complex
[19:20] <Mike-SA6BSS> yes it is
[19:22] <xfcex> so it works 1.57542 GHz and frequencies are slightly different? So you sould also simulate doppler effect?
[19:23] <Mike-SA6BSS> all tacen care of, you just have to generate a ca 20Gb gps file to tx from a almanac file
[19:23] <Mike-SA6BSS> https://github.com/steve-m/fl2k-examples/tree/master/GPS
[19:23] <PE2BZ> Mike, I will try the live environment this weekend. tnx info
[19:24] <Mike-SA6BSS> yep, im runnig it from a usb
[19:27] <xfcex> Mike-SA6BSS nice, so you just generate the file and play with SDR
[19:28] <xfcex> and in file you acctualy determine location or locations that you simulate
[19:35] <Mike-SA6BSS> you can read how its generated here https://github.com/osqzss/gps-sdr-sim#generating-the-gps-signal-file
[19:35] <Mike-SA6BSS> you heard of the fl2k?
[19:36] <xfcex> PE2BZ does KiwiSDR have cw decoder?
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[19:37] <xfcex> Mike-SA6BSS fl2k - no
[19:38] <Mike-SA6BSS> https://www.rtl-sdr.com/setting-up-and-testing-osmo-fl2k/
[19:39] <Mike-SA6BSS> its a usb3 to vga adapter transformed to a verry wideband transmitter
[19:39] <xfcex> I see SDR transmitter for few bucks :D
[19:39] <xfcex> amazing
[19:39] <Mike-SA6BSS> inded
[19:40] <Mike-SA6BSS> kiwi sdr does not have a cw decoder built in
[19:40] <Mike-SA6BSS> you have to pipe athe audio to external decoders
[19:41] <xfcex> mhm I can hear some CW signal on PE2BZ web kiwiSDR :)
[19:41] <Mike-SA6BSS> here you have a map of lots of online kiwis https://sdr.hu/map
[19:41] <xfcex> nice
[19:44] <xfcex> Mike-SA6BSS you can read the CW?
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[20:32] <habby> Does anyone have a .pdf of the payload antenna guide from ukhas.org.uk? I could do with soldering this tonight / tomorrow and the server is still down
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[20:37] <daveake> Maybe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Au5C3_MPQY
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[20:45] <habby> daveake Thanks! Watching now...
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[22:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kg7vfc-12_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kg7vfc-12_chase
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[23:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KN4CZZ_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KN4CZZ_chase
[23:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3650575 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3650575
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3920936 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3920936
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3640348 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3640348
[23:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3640487 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3640487
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[23:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0510248 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0510248
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[23:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4250390 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4250390
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[23:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[23:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0430455 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0430455
[23:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0250927 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0250927
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