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[00:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3420714 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3420714
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[04:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[05:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4130735 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4130735
[05:06] Nick change: pe2bz_ -> PE2BZ
[05:06] <PE2BZ> !flights
[05:06] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: There are no flights currently :(
[05:06] <PE2BZ> That´s not true :-(
[05:09] <PE2BZ> it´s just waiting for approvement...
[05:20] <Mike-SA6BSS> BSS13 woke 30min ago, its realy far north, over +83 deg lat
[05:22] <Mike-SA6BSS> I did some more test last evening on the cut of rs41, all worked well connected to the power supply, will test it once more in the sun today
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[05:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N0320081 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N0320081
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[05:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03U3B-15 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-15
[05:35] <PE2BZ> Mike-SA6BSS I might have spotted my problem and solved it. The massive wire I used to create a hook for attaching wire to the solar panels, I attached to the ground tab of the RS41 battery connector. However, that unisolated wire touched the side of one of the solar panels, giving either 3 Volt or only 1.5 Volt when it touched the solar panel. It´s isolated now and seems to work OK :-)
[05:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4710026 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4710026
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[06:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS13 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS13
[06:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4620403 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4620403
[06:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3740758 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3740758
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[07:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PILOTS-BL after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PILOTS-BL
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[08:57] <PB0AHX-Herman> !flights
[08:57] <SpacenearUS> 03PB0AHX-Herman: Current flights: 03ZeroPi_inRS41case 10(53cd)
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[09:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4620803 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4620803
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[09:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LUNA - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LUNA
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[10:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SPACEF - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SPACEF
[10:21] Action: PE2BZ is announcing a LoRa Pi Camera launch at around 11:30 UTC ish. 432.625 in mode3
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[11:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0321 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[11:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4130632 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4130632
[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3640273 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3640273
[11:20] <Mike-SA6BSS> PE2BZ: looks like the rs41 does not like to be fed directly with the solar cell, will get an boost or ldo inline to see if that helps
[11:21] <Mike-SA6BSS> probably the solar volatge is to uneven when it ric in volateg that the cpu hangs,
[11:21] <Mike-SA6BSS> *rise up
[11:24] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI0-BZ after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI0-BZ
[11:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 039A9D-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=9A9D-11
[11:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M4613101 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M4613101
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[11:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[11:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03U3B-16 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-16
[11:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3250279 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3250279
[12:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2620509 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2620509
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[12:43] <PB0AHX-Herman> wow nice pictures from PI0-BZ on ssdv
[12:43] <PE1ANS_> Yes exelent Herman
[12:45] <PB0AHX-Herman> ik kom net bij de veiling vandaan Jan
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[12:48] <PE1ANS_> Petje af voor deze payload,, dit wel heel erg gaaf,, super.........
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[12:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[13:15] <PE2BZ> Are we asking to much from habitat ? The tracker is 1 km altitude / 18 minutes behind
[13:16] <PE2BZ> 13:16:06 Ch1: $$PI0-BZ,8791,13:16:06,52.34848,5.11094,05466,55,40,12,26.6*587A
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[13:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 039A9Y-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=9A9Y-12
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[13:43] <Mike-SA6BSS> PE2BZ: is the tracker page still behind?
[13:43] <PE2BZ> yes
[13:43] <Mike-SA6BSS> what alt is it on?
[13:45] <PE2BZ> 7800 meter at this moment
[13:46] <Mike-SA6BSS> ok
[13:46] <Mike-SA6BSS> only lora on this on?
[13:46] <Mike-SA6BSS> *one
[13:46] <PB0AHX-Herman> yep
[13:46] <Mike-SA6BSS> ok
[13:48] <PE2BZ> This one also no longer works :-( http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/
[13:49] <craag> PE2BZ: Is the time set correctly on your rpi?
[13:51] <PE2BZ> That´s a good question....
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[13:51] <PE2BZ> I did never set date or time again after the first setup
[13:52] <craag> run 'date' and see what it says
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[13:53] <PE2BZ> On my receiving Pi you mean :-)
[13:53] <craag> yes
[13:53] <Mike-SA6BSS> is lora connected in a way make it possible to talk to the pi up in the aiR?
[13:53] <craag> PITS uses gps time, so that'll always be fine if it's got a lock
[13:54] <craag> hang on, how quickly are you sending messages?
[13:54] <PE2BZ> Fri 20 Apr 13:53:47 UTC 2018
[13:54] <Mike-SA6BSS> I have seen this latency before on A swedish aprs launch some month ago
[13:54] <PE2BZ> very quickly
[13:54] <PE2BZ> mode 3
[13:54] <craag> yeah... I think the rpi can't upload them fast enough
[13:54] <craag> as it's a single thread for upload
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[13:55] <craag> and has to wait for habitat response times each time
[13:55] <PE2BZ> Is that apart from the SSDV upload, which seems very up to date ?
[13:56] <craag> yes, different thread :)
[13:56] <PE2BZ> Mike-SA6BSS my LoRa tracker is female. Does not listen when anyone talks :-)
[13:56] <Mike-SA6BSS> lol :) got it
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[13:57] <craag> I've been itching to rewrite the update queueing, it's not amazing, but also not designed for this telemetry rate lol
[13:59] <craag> PE2BZ: Try reducing this on your copy and see if it speeds up a little (perhaps '5' or '10' instead)
[13:59] <craag> https://github.com/PiInTheSky/lora-gateway/blob/master/habitat.c#L224
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[13:59] <PE2BZ> craag I am no longer receiving my own payload :-(
[14:00] <craag> Ah :(
[14:00] <craag> Leave your receiver to upload it's queue then
[14:01] <PE2BZ> We have one receiver, PE1ANS which is further away but has better reception :-)
[14:04] <PB0AHX-Herman> i lost him here also now sorry
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[14:10] <daveake> craag I know it can't keep up with 4Hz updates :)
[14:15] <craag> hah no.
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[14:21] <Martin_____> where do i go to get my flight approved on hab hub
[14:21] <Martin_____> it is
[14:22] <Martin_____> 38b5b508b187dc1c66ead4366e9013ec
[14:23] <PE2BZ> if you ¨/join #habhub ¨ you can paste the flight doc number and see if all is set well. Then you can ask there for approval
[14:25] <PE2BZ> the untested means your payload is not yet received and uploaded
[14:25] <PE2BZ> but that could need a delay for a minute or 5 to 10 before habitat realises it was
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[14:29] <PE2BZ> 10 km actual altitude
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[15:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PUT-HAP2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PUT-HAP2
[15:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SSTAR0211 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SSTAR0211
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[15:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HAPROS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HAPROS
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[15:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi
[15:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> what freq is pio-bz at?
[15:33] <PE2BZ> 432.625 MHz in LoRa mode 3 (250 kHz bandwidth)
[15:33] <PE2BZ> and gps on the tracker is 30 minutes behind
[15:34] <PE2BZ> it´s at least at 15 km now
[15:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi PE2BZ. Thanks. How do you decode the LORA mode?
[15:34] <PE2BZ> With a raspberry Pi and an RFM95 module
[15:34] <PE2BZ> or an arduino, an RFM95 module and ftdi USB converter
[15:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah ok i see. was hoping for a sdr plugin
[15:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i mean sdr sharp etc. plugin
[15:35] <PE2BZ> No, LoRa is not open protocol
[15:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok i was not aware of that
[15:36] <PE2BZ> expected burst at 17600 meter at 2 m/s so with 1 m/s it could go some more. However, we have only one receiving station left which is further away as me
[15:37] <PE2BZ> But the images up to 10 km altitude are wonderful !
[15:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes they are realy nice, very good quality
[15:42] <PE2BZ> Next time I either go for mode1 and lower resolution TX or I add the gps and altitude as overlay.
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[15:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> is the transmitter on all the time?
[15:56] <PE2BZ> Yes, sending telemetry between the images
[15:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 250Hz wide full spectrum?
[15:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> KHz i mean
[15:57] <PE2BZ> Yes
[15:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Thanks, not seeing anything here yet, LOS soon
[15:58] <kc2pit> Has anybody kept an eye on the gnuradio LoRa implementations? It looks like Bastille Research's version is incomplete and stagnant, but https://github.com/rpp0/gr-lora appears to be further along. I'm not quite motivated enough to set up any testing to see how good it actually is, though.
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[16:00] <PE2BZ> kc2pit tnx for info. I had no idea, I will view this link later this weekend !
[16:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SSTAR0222 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SSTAR0222
[16:06] <Ian__> [16:33] <PE2BZ> and gps on the tracker is 30 minutes behind . . . do you mean 30 min delays in Habitat processing delay into the Tracker Display or a clock error?
[16:07] <PE2BZ> delay in processing.
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[16:08] <PE2BZ> Being caused by the delay in upload from the Pi which seems not to keep up :-)
[16:10] <Ian__> Problematical . . . I'm sure that there have been similar comments made in the last couple of weeks. Worth watching as it might give operational issues.
[16:12] <PE2BZ> Yesterday my flightdocument appeared as untested, and 10 minutes later all was ok. My ¨new position on the map¨ also had a 5 minute delay.
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[16:15] <Ian__> I imagine that it will cause problems as the weather gets better - popularity stretching the infrastructure a little or at least finding a bottleneck.
[16:17] <PE2BZ> Mode3 gives high speed telemetry between the images also. But the images are up to date, but I personally did not like to have the GPS on screen for the images I transmit, given the chance I don´t get my payload back
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[16:26] <PE2BZ> PE1ANS still receives the LoRa tracker over 262 km distance, flying at 19 km altitude
[16:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KI6VBK-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KI6VBK-11
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[16:48] <Oddstr13> A website displaying more detailed information about the payloads would be nice, such as modulation details and frequency
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[16:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K2DCR-4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K2DCR-4
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[16:57] <PE2BZ> Oddstr13 usually I do announce my flights with info on the ukhas group. But in this case I only mentioned it in the Dutch group because I do not expect receivers from outside Holland for this flight.
[16:57] <PE2BZ> Is there anything you would like to know about this payload ?
[16:58] <PE2BZ> https://photos.app.goo.gl/zBY1vlviBBLdjhfi2
[16:59] <PE2BZ> That´s me, at 27 m altitude holding the RS41 case, in which you find this
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[16:59] <PE2BZ> https://photos.app.goo.gl/yMUznFpvyzqkTXMf1
[16:59] <PE2BZ> That is, with the stepup removed
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[17:01] <PE2BZ> And 3 Energizer batteries feeding the Pi on the GPIO pins
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[17:17] <PE2BZ> Actual altitude 22.500 meter
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[17:30] Nick change: Ian__ -> Ian_
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[17:32] <drohan> Hi all, quick question -- Following the build tutorial from https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:payload_antenna, does the coax cable have to be RG174 or can it be another type?
[17:33] <g8fjg> PE2BZ Ben started to decode your telemetry @ 21273 mts ..got 239 decodes up to 21408 then stopped 1000's of crc ssdv packets but no good decodes @ nearly 500km
[17:33] <PE2BZ> Wow !
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[17:42] <Guest30890> drohan coax type is not critical. ideally 50 ohm though. A PTFE insulation might be an improvement when hitting it with a hot soldering iron
[17:42] <kc2pit> drohan: There's nothing terribly special about RG174. It's just a convenient size and easy to find. Larger diameter coax would probably get inconveniently stiff, and smaller may be difficult to cut without damaging the wrong bits.
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[17:43] <kc2pit> PTFE insulation is indeed nice for soldering, but it's usually a good bit stiffer than polyethylene for the same diameter.
[17:43] <drohan> Got it
[17:44] <drohan> Would mixing 50 ohm and 70 ohm between a single antenna be bad?
[17:44] <drohan> I have 50 ohm for the antenna itself
[17:44] <drohan> but would using 70 for the ground plane screw things up
[17:46] <kc2pit> The part that remains intact and actually carries the signal from the radio to the antenna should be 50 ohms. Material for making the radiating element and ground radials can be whatever, including single-conductor wire.
[17:50] <g8fjg> PE2BZ Ben ... I went off tune here ..back on track decoding images now at 23906 mtrs
[17:50] <g8fjg> up to image 131
[17:51] <PE2BZ> This is great Ron !
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[17:52] <PE2BZ> I finally succeeded to get the remote in Groningen tuned :-) PA3DJR that is. No RX at all, -137 RSSI. Tuned down to 432.600 and got packets with frequency error 27 kHz. Tuned back to 432.625 and all ok....
[17:53] <g8fjg> I'm running on 432.626.200 now
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[18:00] <dj3ak> !dial PI0-BZ
[18:00] <PE2BZ> I am at 432.625 MHz with 250 kHz bandwidth in Lora mode 3
[18:06] <dj3ak> PE2BZ hello, tnx for info. I tried but no copy here.
[18:06] <g8fjg> Ben just got image 135 complete but for 1 block nice chem trails :-) ...afk for 1hr ish
[18:06] <PE2BZ> roger Ron !
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[18:08] <PE2BZ> dj3ak to bad.. Where are you located? It´s at 24500 meter now
[18:08] <PE2BZ> Seems to be spinning around near Gieten https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gieten/@52.879184,6.433701,10.46z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x47b7d81350d58ccd:0xd96e77105a6bbde8!8m2!3d53.0052661!4d6.7634062
[18:09] <dj3ak> maybe it is 433,625 MHz?
[18:09] <PE2BZ> No, it ´s in the HAM band, 432.625 MHz
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[18:13] <dj3ak> PE2BZ ok, tnx, I am not prepared to receive at 250 kHz BW and Lora mode. sri
[18:14] <PE2BZ> No problem :-) Perhaps you can see it on an SDR in the waterfall ?
[18:14] <dj3ak> dinner is ready.. must leave for abt. 30min now
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[18:15] <PE2BZ> Enjoy your dinner !
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[18:26] <PE2BZ> Burst at 24800 meter
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[18:47] <dj3ak> PE2BZ tnx and I will try another day...
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[19:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LSP-O_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LSP-O_chase
[19:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2110061 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2110061
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[19:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OM7AAK_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OM7AAK_chase
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[19:37] <PE2BZ> Last fix im Germany auf 62 m Höhe
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[20:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LSP - I_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LSP%20-%20I_chase
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[22:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BILGYM-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BILGYM-1
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[22:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ISP35 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ISP35
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[22:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 037AAK-T - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=7AAK-T
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[23:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS13 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS13
[23:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3640275 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3640275
[23:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OM7AAK - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OM7AAK
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[23:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M4613230 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M4613230
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[23:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[23:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4250415 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4250415
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