highaltitude.log.20180418

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[00:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VIKING-01 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VIKING-01
[00:47] <Ian_> Jim__ has gone, but for the log click on one of the tracker links here to get an idea of how long it actually takes to initialise.
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[01:06] <Ian_> Fairly quickly as mentioned ^^ but the default with IRS_*; in the search takes a long time. Best strategy is to call it with one of these ^^ and then replace the callsign to screen out the unwanted, which is where all the time is being spent, it seems.
[01:07] <Ian_> It's the price of popularity I guess.
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[01:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3640256 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3640256
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[01:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-11
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[02:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M3613674 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M3613674
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[05:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0930267 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0930267
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[05:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4710030 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4710030
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[07:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F6KFI-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F6KFI-11
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[09:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HA3PL-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HA3PL-11
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[09:24] <LazyLeopard> Morning...
[09:25] <fsphil> morn'
[09:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4630033 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4630033
[09:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DELTA-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DELTA-3
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[10:05] <PB0AHX-Herman> !flights
[10:05] <SpacenearUS> 03PB0AHX-Herman: There are no flights currently :(
[10:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SH06 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SH06
[10:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SHXX after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SHXX
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[10:20] <hyde00001> Just in case anyone wonders... SH "flights" from Oxford today are just tests using gps playback of a previous flight. No actual balloon today...Reception of LoRa mode1 on 434.463 possible, but only with a time machine.
[10:20] <Darkside> haha
[10:20] Action: Darkside gets in the delorean
[10:21] <hyde00001> You know what this means? This doesn't work (throws dud flux capacitor over shoulder...)...
[10:22] <hyde00001> can anyone remind me under what conditions does the tracker map decide to plot a landing projection - does that require a flight doc?
[10:23] <Darkside> it should run on any flight
[10:23] <Darkside> though im not sure what it will do if you give it a weird time
[10:25] <hyde00001> using some daveake magic, my old gps data is being sent with current UTC so that shouldn't be an issue... not seeing a projected landing for SH06... Grr
[10:25] <hyde00001> aaah might be UTC+1...
[10:27] <PB0AHX-Herman> wat is the frequentie for SH06
[10:27] <daveake> PB0AHX-Herman: It's an emulated flight
[10:27] <PB0AHX-Herman> daveake, ok tnx
[10:28] <hyde00001> daveake - SHXX is projected landing using your code (ever so slightlytweaked)
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[10:28] <daveake> Thought so, so what did you mean by "not seeing a projected landing for SH06... Grr" ?
[10:29] <hyde00001> but SH06 not getting a habitat projected landing spot...
[10:29] <daveake> Ah right, pass
[10:29] <hyde00001> at least not in my browser...
[10:29] <daveake> It'll have sqrt(f-all) to do with the emulated flight anyway
[10:29] <Darkside> it is in mine
[10:29] <Darkside> i am seeing a predicted landing for SH06
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[10:31] <hyde00001> Darkside - interesting... not on my browser. Wonders if this is an OSX Safari thing...
[10:31] <hyde00001> tries chrome...
[10:32] <hyde00001> Nope...
[10:33] <hyde00001> Considers going to work and trying a PC...
[10:33] <fsphil> macs eh, useless :)
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[10:34] <Darkside> hey im on a mac!
[10:35] <hyde00001> is it just me or does the tracker map takes aaaaaages to load these days?
[10:35] <hyde00001> actually - is it me with my emulated flight?
[10:37] <hyde00001> mmm not seeing an SH06 projected landing with browser on LoRa gateway either...
[10:37] <PE1ANS> Hi all,, someone info aboud SH06 ??
[10:38] <hyde00001> PE1ANS - sorry for confusion its an emulated flight. no actual balloon...
[10:38] <PE1ANS> O.k. tnx info,, good luck
[10:40] <hyde00001> FWIW, SHXX is the projected landing spot guestermated by the flight computer using daveake code
[10:42] <hyde00001> while SH06 is play back of a flight I had last year - trust me it will land to the west of Huntingdon...
[10:59] <hyde00001> Darkside - wonder if you can help me... the point of my test was to compare daveake landing projection with Habitat version. Not being able to see Habitat version is making that tricky... IS there any chance I could prevail upon you to take a screenshot of the SH06 projected landing so I can compare to SHXX?
[11:00] <Darkside> errr
[11:01] <Darkside> so does daveakes prediction know about descent rate, and burst altitude??
[11:01] <Darkside> and how does it do a prediction while in ascent? surely it has no information on the wind data above the current payload altitude
[11:02] <hyde00001> If I understand the code correctly it measures wind layers during ascent, and I think SHXX assumes ballon burst now
[11:03] <Darkside> so the predictor is going to be running using current wind models
[11:03] <hyde00001> So only becomes really useful after burst...
[11:03] <Darkside> not the wind that was present when your flight occured
[11:03] <hyde00001> yep
[11:03] <Darkside> so the onboard predictor is going tobe using different wind data to the online predictor
[11:03] <Darkside> so the test is somewhat meaningless
[11:04] <hyde00001> I wanted to see if/when projections merged...
[11:04] <hyde00001> will likley happen after burst
[11:04] <Darkside> well at the moment it looks like the predictor things your payload is in descent, which is a bit odd
[11:05] <hyde00001> parachute icon?
[11:05] <Darkside> nope
[11:05] <Darkside> this is a known bug in the tracker i think
[11:05] <Darkside> it looks at too much track data history to decide if the payload is in descent
[11:05] <Darkside> i.e. it doesnt seem to care about the current ascent rate
[11:05] <daveake> hyde00001: There's no point whatsoever comparing Habitat's predictor with mine during an emulated flight; only a valid comparison during a real flight
[11:06] <daveake> Darkside: Before burst it uses preset (configurable) CDA and payload weight
[11:06] <Darkside> ok
[11:06] <daveake> You can compare my prediction with where that particular flight actually landed; that's worthwhile
[11:07] <hyde00001> I take your point about accuracy of projections etc, but the point for me was to see what it would look like during a chase so it is is valuable to me
[11:07] <daveake> Yeah, well it looks like a balloon :/
[11:08] <Darkside> tbh i dont see much point in putting the payload-descent prediction on the online map
[11:08] <Darkside> useful for an offline system, sure
[11:08] <Darkside> but on the online map its just confusing
[11:08] <daveake> I gave up doing these tests online, as it always gets people asking about frequency etc. o I wrote my own local map program. Also means I can have several flights and several "X marks the spot" predictions
[11:08] <Darkside> particularly how its set up at the moment
[11:08] <hyde00001> The really valuable bit (as far as I see it) is if in area of poor mobile phone coverage and you have no map access
[11:08] <Darkside> hyde00001: there are solutions to that problem :-)
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[11:08] <Darkside> whoops
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[11:10] <Darkside> welcome back..
[11:11] <hyde00001> Grr laptop ran out of battery...
[11:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4110222 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4110222
[11:13] <hyde00001> Not sure if I made this point before vanishing - the key for me is being able to get a predicted landing if i'm out of reach of a mobile phone signal. Knowing how the prediction behaves and comparing it to the habitat projection is thus useful so you know what to expect when chasing
[11:13] <labjg_> Darkside et al: sorry for YERRA spam. Currently away with work so can't turn off tracker!
[11:13] <hyde00001> Also handy if habitat won't give you a projected landing - like me today...
[11:14] <Darkside> hyde00001: y'know thre are solutions to the offline mapping problem
[11:14] <Darkside> i chase balloons in a country which (at least when we started) had not-amazing phone coverage
[11:15] <Darkside> so we developed https://github.com/projecthorus/oziplotter
[11:15] <daveake> Whose is "Vega-3" payload doc ?
[11:15] <Darkside> daveake is doing a similar app, though at the moment he doesn't do offline predictions
[11:17] <hyde00001> Looked at your stuff most impressive. Do I rememebr rightly that you use an alternate sentence structure?
[11:17] <Darkside> via lora, yes
[11:17] <Darkside> dave's lora ground station now outputs oziplotter-compatible packets btw
[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4620407 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4620407
[11:19] <Darkside> downside with oziplotter is its reliance on oziexplorer
[11:19] <Darkside> and windows
[11:19] <Darkside> i mean, oziplotter is one of those things you get used to, and we picked it because it had an easy to use API, and pretty much all 4WDers in australia have used it
[11:20] <Darkside> and at the time, there really wasnt much else out there
[11:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3650151 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3650151
[11:20] <hyde00001> The windows thing is a limitation for me...
[11:21] <hyde00001> I'm trying to get chase down to Pi LoRa gateway talking to iPhone for internet over WiFi
[11:21] <hyde00001> optional iPad for viewing
[11:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M4613497 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M4613497
[11:21] <hyde00001> fed up with bouncing around laptops
[11:21] <Darkside> hyde00001: i run OSX for most things... though in the car i run a windows CarPC
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[11:22] <hyde00001> I've done a couple of "drive around with a payload on the backseat" tests and life without a laptop is lovely....
[11:23] <Darkside> sure
[11:23] <Darkside> i usually have a tablet on a holder VNC'd into the back
[11:23] <Darkside> into the carPC i mean
[11:23] <Darkside> but to control the carPC i use a laptop, RDP'd in
[11:24] <Darkside> but of course i'm not using the laptop while i'm driving :-)
[11:24] <hyde00001> The iPad to Pi gateway is great using VNC
[11:26] <hyde00001> Really do have to go to work now. Thanks to all for hints, tips and chats.
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[11:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2340423 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2340423
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[11:46] <Mike-SA6BSS> Darkside: tried to cut off the bottom 1/3 on the rs41 and it work great https://imgur.com/a/D0sKk
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[11:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4810020 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4810020
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[12:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PILOTS-BL after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PILOTS-BL
[12:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SQ7ACP-11 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ7ACP-11
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[13:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SA6BSS/AM - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SA6BSS%2FAM
[13:19] <Mike-SA6BSS> SA6BSS/AM is up
[13:19] <Mike-SA6BSS> aprs and rtty 144.600
[13:20] <Mike-SA6BSS> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=f7017aecf267ed8d38000708a1179d6fd31cad2c
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[13:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SA6BSS-10 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SA6BSS-10
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[13:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Kiwininja69 _chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Kiwininja69%20_chase
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[15:29] <_Jordan> Can someone please help me with setting up the HAB modem and tracker app with SDR touch? been tampering with for like 2 hours now and no luck
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[16:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03TA9OHC-11 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TA9OHC-11
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[16:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[17:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DC2EH-14 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-14
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[17:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3710175 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3710175
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[18:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PI0-BZ - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI0-BZ
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[18:14] <PE2BZ> Can someone help me with my untested documents found ? It´s lora only, the gps has lock, the Habitat lights up in the tracker, I am on the map, the logtail does not complain but it´s still untested ?
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[18:33] <PE2BZ> solved. Habitat is a bit slow
[18:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PeakL - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PeakL
[18:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PeakR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PeakR
[19:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HAPROS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HAPROS
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[19:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
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[22:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS13 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS13
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[22:49] <cm13g09> Anyone for SpaceX launch?
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[23:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M4430221 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M4430221
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3710176 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3710176
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[23:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4620405 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4620405
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[23:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3640466 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3640466
[23:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2340411 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2340411
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[23:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M4613088 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M4613088
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[23:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N0320159 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N0320159
[23:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4810064 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4810064
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