highaltitude.log.20180416

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[00:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K7NVH-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K7NVH-11
[00:03] <nigelvh> ^ Ignore that plz.
[00:03] <nigelvh> Just doing some testing with replay data from a couple years ago.
[00:04] <nigelvh> Actual flights will be next month.
[00:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N0320183 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N0320183
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[01:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03TA9OHC-11 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TA9OHC-11
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[05:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4710029 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4710029
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[07:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PILOTS-GR after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PILOTS-GR
[07:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[09:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4710051 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4710051
[09:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OH7FQP-4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OH7FQP-4
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[09:50] Action: Laurenceb___ checks the logs for mr musk
[09:51] <Laurenceb___> looks like spacex is building hot air ballute recovery O_o
[09:51] <Laurenceb___> totally awesome
[09:54] Action: daveake looks up "ballute"
[09:54] <daveake> nice :)
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[10:04] <hyde00001> From Wiki... the original ballute was a cone-shaped balloon with a toroidal burble fence... A burble fence sounds like a term Douglas Adams would have enjoyed using...
[10:06] <Darkside> reminds me of a turbo encabulator
[10:12] <hyde00001> Had to look that up too. Brilliant!
[10:14] <gonzo_> pratchett had a cerfum-fence, which ran around the rim of the diskworld
[10:14] <gonzo_> curcum-fence
[10:19] <hyde00001> Loving the GE datasheet for a turboencabulator. The specification for the tremie-pipes is that they are made from Crapaloy (tungsten cowhide)
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[10:37] <_Jordan> Morning guys, ... we launchin today, sorry for the quick notice.
[10:39] <_Jordan> Now, I know I can pose this question over to #arduino. But I know theres a few Ard users in here and I wondered whether someone could give me some guidance on the License that you put in your header at the top of a sketch. Theres a GNU license but I would like one where it states that other people cannot copy nor replicate this code. Does anyone have anything in mid?
[10:39] <Darkside> and you have a flight document of course?
[10:39] <_Jordan> mind*
[10:39] <Darkside> lol
[10:39] <Darkside> if you want that kind of license then dont release your code
[10:39] <_Jordan> I don't have a flight doc. As soon as I find out the freq. I will got it over in this chat
[10:40] <Darkside> and email the mailing list?
[10:40] <_Jordan> "sorry bit of a silly question then". What if I seek help with debugging? do i just try my best to hide the bits I don't want people to see
[10:40] <Darkside> er
[10:41] <Darkside> then you will be on your own
[10:41] <Darkside> because any self-respecting open source developer will tell you to bugger off
[10:41] <_Jordan> Might as well just roll with GNU
[10:41] <_Jordan> haha
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[10:43] <zyp> _Jordan, if you don't put any license at all, the default is that you reserve all rights
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[10:44] <jbayfield> Hi all, quick question about the Habduino. I've got it to send telemetry and I'm decoding it pretty well, but every line that's uploaded to habhub is has fix_invalid set to true, why would this be?
[10:45] <Darkside> probably a payload document issue
[10:45] <Darkside> there's a setting which determines how habitat decides if the fix is valid
[10:46] <jbayfield> hmm, okay
[10:46] <fsphil> yeah I always select the wrong option
[10:46] <fsphil> the wording on the question isn't great
[10:48] <Darkside> labjg_'s spam on the logtail isnt making looking at hwats going on easy :P
[10:48] <Darkside> will get a lot worse in 20 minutes when the sondes start up though
[10:48] <Darkside> hehe
[10:48] <jbayfield> I noticed that and set it as "always this format" or something along those lines, that's probably wrong!
[10:48] <fsphil> yeah
[10:50] <Darkside> i usually use 'sends zero lat/long when no lock'
[10:50] <Darkside> or whatever that was
[10:51] <daveake> Also _Jordan is this a fresh new sketch wot you wrote in its entirety, or is it based on someone else's open-source code?
[10:51] <jbayfield> Okay, I'll give it a try. Thanks Darkside
[10:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NPLUAV2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NPLUAV2
[10:53] <jbayfield> Got it, cheers!
[10:54] <fsphil> Yeah, "Exclusively this format". the description on the side bar refers to it as "Always Invalid", which is probably better
[11:01] <_Jordan> daveake: It varies, sometimes its a modifcation of a library, sometimes its a fresh scripts and sometimes its someone else's code. I guess I don't exactly have an answer for you
[11:02] <daveake> You need to read the license provided with any code that you use
[11:03] <jbayfield> Just out of curiosity, is there any reason why certain values wouldn't show up in the telemetry graph?
[11:03] <daveake> Because probably it insists that you have to make your code open source
[11:03] <_Jordan> daveake: okay mate
[11:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SITS-4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITS-4
[11:08] <_Jordan> there we go^
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[11:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3640190 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3640190
[11:23] <hyde00001> daveake if you are still around... I've been playing with the PITS landing prediction code. I've got my PITS system transmitting two lines of telemetry code - the second of which includes a alternate callsign, message counter, time, predicted Lat, predicted Long, and one more field. From the code it look like this last field is always a zero. (1) Have I got that right? (2) Why the hardwired zero?
[11:23] <daveake> The XX format ?
[11:25] <hyde00001> Yes
[11:25] <hyde00001> (though I've been testing with a different callsign )
[11:28] <daveake> Altitude
[11:29] <daveake> Hmmm someone has created new XX documents, without the altitude field, thus breaking the existing one :(
[11:31] <daveake> For a homing flight, the altitude could be filled in with the altitude of that location (which the software knows), but otherwise not.
[11:32] <hyde00001> I'd noticed the XX payload seemed broken...hence me rolling my own... in misc.c 941-956 it appears to hardwired as a zero... Is this cleverly changed elsewhere in the code?
[11:33] <daveake> Nah it's fixed at 0. Could be filled in; not sure it's worth it.
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[11:34] <daveake> The value to go in there would be from the config Target_Altitude= value
[11:34] <daveake> tbh not sure why I didn't do that
[11:34] <hyde00001> Good suggestion, though I was thinking of adding a GPS->TimeTillLanding
[11:34] <daveake> That's included in the main telemetry if you don't do the XX thing
[11:35] <daveake> It's a useful thing to know when chasing, though it's easy enough to calculate anyway from current descent rate + altitude
[11:35] <hyde00001> If I've understood the code right It doesn't update the Lat/Long until it starts to fall, is that right?
[11:36] <daveake> It does calculate it once airborne, but estimates the descent curve using values in the config file
[11:37] <daveake> Once it's descending then it adjusts according to the measured descent rate
[11:38] <daveake> So if it's going to land at say 6m/s not the present 5m/s or whatever, then it's going to land earlier and with less distance travelled
[11:38] <daveake> preset ^
[11:38] <hyde00001> Helpful - I was trying to check how it worked but didn't get very far as my tracker wasn't moving from my bench....
[11:38] <daveake> yeah you need to fly, or emulate a flight
[11:39] <daveake> You can take the gps.txt from a previous flight and feed that in
[11:40] <daveake> gps_source=oldflight.nmea or whatever
[11:40] <hyde00001> Got to that point, then realised I'd need to work out how to feed the tracker NMEA. Which I had no idea how to do... Then though "i'll ask dave..."
[11:40] <hyde00001> Ooooh clever...
[11:40] <hyde00001> I'll try that ...
[11:41] <daveake> Warning - it'll start the flight at your current gps, not wherever the original flight was
[11:41] <daveake> I did this because I first used it with an NMEA file from Steve, and I didn't want people asking what Steve was apparently launching from Elsworth, when it was just be testing on the map :)
[11:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2340419 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2340419
[11:43] <hyde00001> eerr - the first sentence will be starting co-ords or will it do some clever offset throughout "flight"
[11:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4810021 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4810021
[11:44] <hyde00001> Though for me thats about 100m anyway...
[11:44] <daveake> Sorry, cancel that. It does use the values as they are.
[11:44] <hyde00001> cancelled
[11:44] <daveake> It's my add-on homing code that messes around with the position, starting it at my target landing position
[11:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M4613498 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M4613498
[11:45] <hyde00001> Ok. helpful.
[11:45] <daveake> The time gets adjusted - it uses current gps time not that in the file, so as not to confuse the map
[11:45] <daveake> Suggest you edit the pre-launch records from the file
[11:46] <daveake> Oh, and the tracker program will exit when it gets to the end of the file
[11:46] <hyde00001> nice touch re the time...
[11:47] <hyde00001> last flight landed in a tree and has 18 hours of "I'm in the same place but 40m up"...
[11:47] <daveake> Yeah maybe remove that too :)
[11:47] <hyde00001> nice real world battery test...
[11:48] <hyde00001> while I have your attention... I'd always wanted to try your system preference editor on Mac OSX, but no matter how I download it, I can't seem to create an executable file from the pascal code...
[11:48] <hyde00001> Is there a known work around?
[11:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[11:53] <daveake> The pisky.txt editor ?
[11:54] <hyde00001> Yeah aka PITSConfig
[11:55] <daveake> Hm OK I'll build for OSX
[11:57] <hyde00001> cool. thanks (i've tried in XCode 8 but I don't really know what I'm doing and didn't get very far...)
[12:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[13:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[14:01] <J4rdn> Hi it's _Jordan on an alt account (ubuntu distro) Just wondered if I was to set up a PITS live tracker on 434.562 on habhub.. is that okay? What is the frequency upper band limit for these boards?
[14:04] <fsphil> the rules are listed in: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0028/84970/ir-2030-july-2017.pdf
[14:05] <fsphil> most HABs operate within the IR2030/1/12 section
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[14:09] <daveake> Yeah the boards will do wider than IR2030, but it's the latter you need to stick with
[14:09] <daveake> Wider than the 434 section that is
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[14:18] <J4rdn> okay thanks daveake, i'm gunna stick .005 onto the end of our frequencies so PE2BZ has a chance lol (i finally remembered)
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[14:39] <PE2BZ> Hi, would anyone know if the Energizer batteries have a version with wires / solder tabs ? I want to fit pi with camera in an RS41 housing but the battery holder is ¨an issue¨ ;-)
[14:40] <fsphil> not that I'm aware of. I just carefully soldered wires to them
[14:40] <daveake> Just solder to them :)
[14:41] <fsphil> I used a large tip, lots of heat, and only a brief touch with the iron
[14:41] <daveake> The tab is easy; the -ve end may need a larger bit, and/or scraping, and/or some flux
[14:41] <fsphil> oh and flux
[14:41] <daveake> s/tab/button
[14:42] <craag> Lightly filing them improved the easiness of soldering to them I found (seemed to reduce the amount of heat required).
[14:42] <craag> Just enough to rough the surface
[14:43] <PE2BZ> I´ll give it a try :-) Thanks !
[14:45] <daveake> Yeah I just scratch with the closest sharp thing - screwdriver blade or wire cutters usually. Then flux then the Metcal
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[14:47] <daveake> Even with copious amounts of duct tape, battery holders often result in a reboot on landing
[14:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F6KFI-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F6KFI-11
[14:58] <PE2BZ> The RS41 battery holder is 2 mm away from the first voltage regulator and with a vertical landing quite often the holder pushes the smd regulator off of the PCB
[14:58] <PE2BZ> The good new, if you still can find it, you can fix it ;-)
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[15:53] <PE2BZ> Would anyone know, to adjust the focus on a pi camera for further away, should I turn the lens closer to the camera or further away ?
[15:56] <daveake> lens goes closer to the sensor = focus goes out towards infinity
[15:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS13 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS13
[15:58] <daveake> This is a universal thing not specific to the pi cam!
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[16:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PILOTS-GR after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PILOTS-GR
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[16:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3630152 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3630152
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[17:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3S23 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3S23
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[18:02] <PE2BZ> daveake thanks. Would you know if there is an easy way on a headless Pi Zero to stream the video to easy adjust the focus instead of transmitting ssdv images ?
[18:02] <PE2BZ> I literally screwed the focus ;-)
[18:02] <daveake> VNC
[18:02] <daveake> erm
[18:02] <daveake> not sure that'd work
[18:02] <daveake> OK, no I don't :)
[18:03] <fsphil> pipe raspivid output to ffplay over ssh tunnel
[18:03] <PE2BZ> No is still an answer ;-)
[18:03] <fsphil> there'll be some annoying delay
[18:03] <daveake> But now incorrect as fsphil has reminded me :)
[18:03] <fsphil> hdmi is the best option tbh
[18:03] <daveake> yeah the delay would be annoying
[18:04] <bertrik> would you really need to adjust the focus in-flight, I imagine setting it once to 'infinity' would be enough, then possibly completely disable any ability to change focus after that
[18:04] <PE2BZ> The delay in SSDV IS annoying even in mode 3 ;-)
[18:04] <fsphil> you need wenet :)
[18:04] <PE2BZ> I will try some vlc streaming
[18:04] <daveake> hah
[18:05] <fsphil> there was a program to transmit dvb-s using the pi's gpio iirc
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[18:05] <fsphil> but that's a little drastic
[18:05] <PE2BZ> ¨a little¨.... just a little ?
[18:06] <PE2BZ> sudo killall startup
[18:06] <PE2BZ> wrong window
[18:06] <fsphil> I once used a hackrf to transmit a dvb-t signal, just so I could watch a dvd
[18:06] <fsphil> that was drastic
[18:06] <PE2BZ> With gnuradio, or something more easy ?
[18:07] <fsphil> gnuradio
[18:07] <fsphil> I don't think there's a handy all-in-one dvb-s or -t transmitter
[18:08] <fsphil> I'd like to try dvb-s some time, it seems quite simple
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[18:55] <PE2BZ> With this instructions https://medium.com/home-wireless/headless-streaming-video-with-the-raspberry-pi-zero-w-and-raspberry-pi-camera-38bef1968e1 and only 1.5 second delay with wifi it adjusts quite nice
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